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[Jomjom]

To preface I DO NOT believe that selling a million consoles is indicative of future success AT ALL.

That being said, this is just about as shitty an article as one can write. I mean this article might as well have been titled "Don't Know What 'False Equivalence' Means?: Read Below"

Using the Wii U numbers and claiming it is a "good cautionary tale" is pure bullshit. Especially when the author then states that the reason the sales numbers dwindled is because of poor support and poor impact on the market (whatever that means).

Sure talk about correlation, but don't ignore causation when you have more than enough facts to discuss it in the article. Everyone already knew that going forward Wii U was not going to be supported by 3rd parties, especially once the PS4/Xbox One released simply due to the fact that games made for those two systems (exclusively, NOT cross-gen) would not be easily portable to the Wii U. Everyone knew that the Wii U name would confuse the heck out of consumers, which I'm assuming would fall under "market impact" since the general public would be confused as to exactly what the Wii U was, a new console or an add-on for the Wii.

The PS4 will not face these two issues, which in my opinion are two of the major reasons for the Wii U's failings. Ignoring these facts and simply stating " Wii U good launch sales numbers : poor post-sales numbers :: PS4 good launch sales numbers : make your own conclusion (wink wink)" is the comparison of a second grader barely learning what compare and contrast means.

 

[Winterblink]

What the hell is with Ars Technica these days? I used to really appreciate their rundowns of new hardware and software, tech-related issues, etc. but they've become so goddamn negative on things lately.

I'm ok with constructive criticism of things, but lately they've been like a wet blanket.

 

[AstroNut325]

I don't want to have Y2kev breathing on my neck for posting "conspiracy theories" but ever since 06 I've seen a distinct bias towards the xbox 360 by the media.

They praise every little thing it did right while downplaying everything the ps3 did. The ps3 had great games in 07 and most were dismissed by the media. Some were a real diamond in the rough (*cough* folklore *cough*).

This time you see the same thing. The media is against sony. It just is and no ammount of apologists can dissuade me from this conclusion. They're invested in seeing microsoft come out on top. From "DRM future is good for us", to "resolution doesn't matter", to "sales don't matter".

WHAT THE FUCK?

So, a system that is cheaper, has better specs and is more powerful and manage to sell a record breaking 1 million units in the country that had the xbox 360 as it's main console is something to ignore? It's not important? We shouldn't read to much into it?


Please write more doom and gloom articles while pushing forward a draconian future for me.

Can you point out any examples? Not calling you out. Just curious.

 

[dragonflys545]

Some peoples entire lives revolve around how well thier console manufacturer of choice is doing. Like thier entire happiness or sadness depends on just this.

It's gotta be up there with some of the most pathetic things I've seen in my life.

It's funny how you are the one to say crap like this. Why don't you go read some of the dumb posts you've posted before that got you banned genius.

 

[Pistolero]

It's like if a friend you invited to your wedding ceremony took the mic to remind everyone, with his most serious face, that sometimes things go really wrong and that divorce is a strong possibility, statistically speaking. The same friend goes on then to call attendees names when he is crtiticized for his bitterness...

Yeah, stop writing insignificant pieces over stuff everyody and their mothers knows to counter an argument nobody makes. This guy is the Don Quichotte of gaming journalism...

 

[perineumlick]

Man, Arstechnica sure are touchy little buggers. If you don't fellate their articles just right, you have an agenda and a hidden bias

There's so much click baiting going on now, these so called journalists are looking desperate for attention. In this age of smartphone and tablet gaming, and the stalling of sales in the console gaming industry, why would you downplay a console selling a million units in 24 hours? It's a useless article that states the obvious, and downplays the positive.

 

[Dingo Egret]

Anyone: Don’t read too much into anything Arstechnica says.

 

[krypt0nian]

I think you just need a pulse and an address to work at Arstechnica.

And I'm not entire certain about the address.

 

[Uno Venova]

IGN: 1 million is good but iPhone did 9 million

Damn a console doing to well there's no more consoles to actually compare it too, it's only matchup is essential consumer electronics.

Actually when you really think about it, is 1 million even a lot? think about how many refrigerators are sold yearly.

 

[AlexMogil]

Arstechnica: Why Xbox One's roaring launch confirms console gaming isn't dead.

That actually would not be a bad article and would be an accurate observation.


Depending on sales, of course.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Title should be:

Common Sense: Don't read too much into ArsTechnica's bullshit

An ArsTechnica's guide to skewing facts to meet your agenda.

 

[hohoXD123]

One of the Ars staff is not happy with the opinions we're posing on their opinion article

The irony is strong in this one.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

You know the gif of the Kaz train? Need to make the train hit "game journalism".

The train isn't stopping.

 

[prwxv3]

Some peoples entire lives revolve around how well thier console manufacturer of choice is doing. Like thier entire happiness or sadness depends on just this.

It's gotta be up there with some of the most pathetic things I've seen in my life.

You should read your past posts to see why you got banned those few times. It seems you have not learned your mistakes yet.

 

[GetemMa]

Arsetechnica:

 

[Chum]

Anyone: Don’t read too much into anything Arstechnica says.

Fo sho'

 

[PSYGN]

How did I react to this article? Glad you didn't ask. Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with the article. There are a lot of people in this thread overreacting. All they're saying is to not base the success of the console on day one sales. Sheesh, some of you...

 

[unbias]

The article itself if fine... I mean, nothing really ground breaking, but whatever. The only problem I have is, what is the point? Is there a story here? If so I'm not seeing it. He addressed nobody specifically or a group, and the article itself serves no purpose other then to inform people the PS4 isn't guaranteed to be the highest selling console of the new generation(which again, why do you want to make this clear to your audience?)

I guess I just dont get the point of the article in terms of why he thought this was a story... As someone who isnt buying a console at launch but sitting back and waiting, I dont understand how this helps me or consumers or his readers at all. It isn't even entertaining beyond giving a perception of an ulterior motive.

 

[Zee-Row]

Lots of gaming sites seem to want MS to win. I wonder why they have this hidden agenda.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

One of the Ars staff is not happy with the opinions we're posing on their opinion article

Latest tweet. Now arstechnica is calling us retards..

https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/402520836609146882

 

[krypt0nian]

How did I react to this article? Glad you didn't ask. Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with the article. There are a lot of people in this thread overreacting. All they're saying is to not base the success of the console on day one sales. Sheesh, some of you...

Now combine it with their other instances of downplaying.

 

[prwxv3]

The article itself if fine... I mean, nothing really ground breaking, but whatever. The only problem I have is, what is the point? Is there a story here? If so I'm not seeing it. He addressed nobody specifically or a group, and the article itself serves no purpose other then to inform people the PS4 isn't guaranteed to be the highest selling console of the new generation(which again, why do you want to make this clear to your audience?)

I guess I just dont get the point of the article in terms of why he thought this was a story... As someone who isnt buying a console at launch but sitting back and waiting, I dont understand how this helps me or consumers or his readers at all. It isn't even entertaining beyond giving a perception of an ulterior motive.

And this.

 

[GetemMa]

The article itself if fine... I mean, nothing really ground breaking, but whatever. The only problem I have is, what is the point? Is there a story here? If so I'm not seeing it. He addressed nobody specifically or a group, and the article itself serves no purpose other then to inform people the PS4 isn't guaranteed to be the highest selling console of the new generation(which again, why do you want to make this clear to your audience?)

I guess I just dont get the point of the article in terms of why he thought this was a story... As someone who isnt buying a console at launch but sitting back and waiting, I dont understand how this helps me or consumers or his readers at all. It isn't even entertaining beyond giving a perception of an ulterior motive.

CLICKS

 

[Glorified G]

Some peoples entire lives revolve around how well thier console manufacturer of choice is doing. Like thier entire happiness or sadness depends on just this.

It's gotta be up there with some of the most pathetic things I've seen in my life.

The amount of projection in this post is staggering. I had to read this post twice to really see if one of the most emotionally involved fanboys on GAF actually made this post in jest or was serious.

Where do people who shit on particular pieces of electronics hardware so much that they have to be banned from discussion forums multiple times over because of it rank in relation to that, noobasuar?

It was probably a tough day for a lot of people yesterday

 

[Version 3.0]

Damn a console doing to well there's no more consoles to actually compare it too, it's only matchup is essential consumer electronics.

Actually when you really think about it, is 1 million even a lot? think about how many refrigerators are sold yearly.

Phones? Refrigerators? Hell, think how many condoms are sold each year. Think about how many Advils, Tylenols, etc.

Less popular than sex or drugs = FAIL.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I am at a loss to explain why the enthusiast media is so down on the PS4. it feels like it has been an uphill battle all the way and the PS4 will be successful in spite of their reticence.

What is wrong with these idiots?

 

[hohoXD123]

Now arstechnica is calling us retards..

https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/402520836609146882

Part of the PC master race. Works for a website which claims that 1080p is the same as 720p.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

It's like if a friend you invented to your wedding ceremony, took the mic to remind everyone, with his most serious face, that sometimes things go really wrong and that divorce is a strong possibility, statistically speaking. The same friend goes on to call attendees names when he is criticised for his bitterness...

I really like this comparison. Sums up the whole thing nicely, and why people are utterly bemused by this kind of article.

Edit: And "Consoletards" now, really? Holy fuck I didn't think the enthusiast press could get any more childish, but there you go.

 

[unbias]

CLICKS

Sure but that only works to a point. A clickbait article that turns readers off to you and the only way you maintain clicks is through more trolling. If this is just a clickbait I'm not sure how they think this helps their site, long term.

 

[Version 3.0]

How did I react to this article? Glad you didn't ask. Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with the article. There are a lot of people in this thread overreacting. All they're saying is to not base the success of the console on day one sales. Sheesh, some of you...

It's been said over and over: the conclusion is fine. How they reached that conclusion is, well, pretty dumb.

 

[Alebrije]

Latest tweet. Now arstechnica is calling us retards..

https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/402520836609146882

Maybe he should not writer for ever , not just this week

 

[Thunder Monkey]

While I agree with the idea that declaring victory is premature... this was a really good showing. Unless Jan just craters it's a very healthy start to a nicely priced system. Very impressive hardware muscle for cheaper is an advantage that could be a big one in a generation of no noticeable "revolutions".

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Latest tweet. Now arstechnica is calling us retards..

https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/402520836609146882

I am seriously glad I am not writing about consoles this week, because anything you say brings down rage from frenzied consoletards.

And people wonder why there's such a lack of respect for gaming journalism.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

What the hell is with Ars Technica these days? I used to really appreciate their rundowns of new hardware and software, tech-related issues, etc. but they've become so goddamn negative on things lately.

I'm ok with constructive criticism of things, but lately they've been like a wet blanket.

Why do they even care about sales and why are they getting all fucking butthurt because someone is pointing out the fact that one of their own went out of their way to downplay the biggest launch in console history doesn't really have anything to do with what the site should be about, which is tech? Now they're getting all fucking touchy like they're accusing the PS4 userbase (not PS4 "fanboys", but specifically PS4 OWNERS, essentially anyone who owns a PS4) of being and playing the fucking victim card.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Somebody call the wambulance.

Well he's not wrong for the most part

 

[Aostia]

Well, wiiu set records for a nintendo launch, and than it fell apart.
preorde fever it much bigger today too...
but I bet ps4 will actually BE ablong term market leader

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Latest tweet. Now arstechnica is calling us retards..

https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/402520836609146882

 

[Myshkin]

The 3DO sold 30,000 units in a month and they went bankrupt.
Imagine how much damage 1,000,000 units in a day could do to Sony.

 

[purpletentacle]

Just trying to get caught up on this thread.

- Ars releases a click-bait article

- GAF calls them out on it.

- Ars lashes out at GAF for calling them out on their bullshit "journalism"

Is that about right?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Damn a console doing to well there's no more consoles to actually compare it too, it's only matchup is essential consumer electronics.

Actually when you really think about it, is 1 million even a lot? think about how many refrigerators are sold yearly.

Refridgerators are just as essential as mobile phones though. 1 million on day 1 is a LOT for a pure luxury item.

The 3DO sold 30,000 units in a month and they went bankrupt.
Imagine how much damage 1,000,000 units in a day could do to Sony.

Are you referring to loss-leading? Sony indicated they pretty much just needed to sell a game or two with each console to break even. With all the PS+ subscriptions that are probably going in once those trials are up, I don't think they're too worried.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Ars is doing an incredible job pushing everyone's buttons. Goddamn!

 

[Byakuya769]

More amusing that a journo should misspell 'fellated'.

What does my misspelling have to do with anything? I get paid a lot to write, you mad?

 

[hohoXD123]

Just trying to get caught up on this thread.

- Ars releases a click-bait article

- GAF calls them out on it.

- Ars lashes out at GAF for calling them out on their bullshit "journalism"

Is that about right?

- Random Ars editor expresses delight in not having to write a piece on consoles and having to deal with "frenzied consoletards."

 

[Averon]

I am at a loss to explain why the enthusiast media is so down on the PS4. it feels like it has been an uphill battle all the way and the PS4 will be successful in spite of their reticence.

What is wrong with these idiots?

It seems the enthusiast media really, really wanted that DRM, TV!!, TV!!, used game restricted future that MS originally wanted. The utter rejection of it by gamers--and its successful reversal--and Sony's refusal to go along with MS seems to have really disappointed them.

 

[StoopKid]

 

[danthefan]

The thing about the PS4 is it has a lot of very very strong software coming down the road. Systerm sellers, some multiplat and lets face it, some of Sony's first party stuff is superb. Plus millions of indies. The lineup at launch isn't brilliant, but by the next holidays there's going to be an amazing lineup I reckon.

 

[MrCookiepants]

What an absolutely pathetic article. Why is he comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast? Those consoles were not even in competition with each other. The Dreamcast had the worst launch of its generation and came dead last. Herp derp.

Wii launch > 360 launch >>> PS3 launch. Guess how it stands now in America? Yep. Wii > 360 >>> PS3

 

[snack]

Sugarcoating it by calling us "consoletards"...

How old is this guy?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

What does my misspelling have to do with anything? I get paid a lot to write, you mad?

A little yes.

But I have porn playing in the other window so it's more like angry lust.

 

[Reg]

Consoletards. Impressive.