Seriously? Dude looks like he is in his mid 20s.
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As a lifelong (but merely casual) Street Fighter fan, don't feel like I have a place
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Seriously? Dude looks like he is in his mid 20s.
bagandscalpel
Member
Playing fighting games competitively lets you stay young by absorbing essence from your victims.
Shang Tsung is historic proof.
Gunslinger
Member
It's too late now. Capcom should abandon all sp modes after this and just try to improve online for the crowd they got left. The game is losing players at a rapid pace imo. Casual ship has long sailed they ain't getting those players back. Just try to improve on what the current small player base want. Atleast they can salvage something from this sinking vessel by selling dlc to existing players. Also there maybe one last thing that can save this and that is a f2p mode ASAP.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
1: Virtua Fighter 4: Evo (compare and contrast with the all-too perception that VF is byzantine and inscrutable...)
2: Half of learning is a good student (see above and like, my entire raiding career)
eyeball_kid
Member
Many people don't play fighting games to be "competitive" and they don't want to "git gud". They just want to fire up SF or Tekken and release some stress. They don't want to be pounded into the ground over and over by people who pour over combo charts and YT vids, or some guy who exploits cheap moves or bad netcode. They just want to play against the AI (or against their friends on the couch) and have fun for an hour.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Sounds like cod.
DryEyeRelief
Member
That's pretty much the answer to why a game like Overwatch doesn't need content, while fighting games do.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Most everyone wants to "git gud", but not too many like or can tolerate the process.
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This is me. I've been a Street Fighter fan from playing SF2 in my local video rental place in the early 90s. Ive bought at least five entries in the series and in the last 25 years I've never heard anything as off putting to me as a buyer than Capcoms focus on the FGC with various aspects of SFV
They want to chase the dedicated FGC money? Good luck to them. Enjoy nurturing a dedicated online community that destroy newcomers who have no single player to fall back on.
Wheresmycoffee
Member
My friend is in a similar situation. He loves fighting games, and is really good at them, but somehow he's still getting bodied online by way higher rank people and it makes him not want to play.
I'm currently on my way to Gold rank, so I guess this game is for me!
I'm currently on my way to Gold rank, so I guess this game is for me!
I'm in the same boat OP. Don't have the time or inclination to dedicate the time to get good. I still try to get a match in a day.
I hate having to pick a favorite fighter before searching online. Makes me less willing to try out different characters even in casual.
I've found the matchmaking to set me up with rookie or bronzes. No higher than super bronze one win off a silver.
Still had a great fight last night (only cause I won)
I hate having to pick a favorite fighter before searching online. Makes me less willing to try out different characters even in casual.
I've found the matchmaking to set me up with rookie or bronzes. No higher than super bronze one win off a silver.
Still had a great fight last night (only cause I won)
How can people be mad that their getting beat up in a 1v1 competitive game? When you say you don't want to "git gud" and just have fun, but the fun you want is to win? Obviously for people asking for other non-online modes this would not apply. But if your fun is winning (and winning is fun) and the path to winning more is to get better, I don't know what you can expect if you don't want to get better. Winning and fun would be linked in this case. Some obstacles to this could be matchmaking, and obviously time has passed since the release, people have moved on, that ocean of sharks has shrunk into a lake. So besides other modes developers would have to implement, I don't see a way to make this online enviorment any more approachable, because the game itself is simpler that SF has been in quite a while.
Omnistalgic
Member
If Capcom does what they say they will. SF should be a pretty solid fighter to play more casually by end of the the year.
I personally think it's worth just learning, it's really not a hard game to get competent at.
Also think they should do a free to play or cheap version
I personally think it's worth just learning, it's really not a hard game to get competent at.
Also think they should do a free to play or cheap version
Imagine buying a Chess game with no decently structured vs. CPU mode and online matches that 6/10 times matched you with Garry Kasparov or Deep Blue
entremet
Member
It's funny because SFV is much better for casuals in terms of game engine.
Yeah I get that, other modes, improvement of exisitng ones, all that stuff I understand. Matchmaking getting better. But I guess what is the average difficulty someone play on chess and how does that compare with the persons ability and whoever they match up with online.
DryEyeRelief
Member
No it's not. It still street fighter. There are many other games that are easier to pick up and play.
It's better for prospective competitive players.
Don't worry OP, until I'm playing SFV there always be at least one person online that you can beat.
But yeah, this is so true. I can actually understand wanting to concentrate on the multiplayer (local and online), but at least give me an online that works. It's so slow to find players (and since it seems to even ignore the rank points since, as a Bronze, I continue to find only Silver+, it should be easy to find someone) and the continue syncs ups, frame loss... it's frustrating.
But yeah, this is so true. I can actually understand wanting to concentrate on the multiplayer (local and online), but at least give me an online that works. It's so slow to find players (and since it seems to even ignore the rank points since, as a Bronze, I continue to find only Silver+, it should be easy to find someone) and the continue syncs ups, frame loss... it's frustrating.
I always try to tackle tutorials pretending I don't know nothing about fighting games and, at least, in Skullgirls and Guilty Gear, I do think they made great progress into relaying the basics. Even if the person doesn't know nothing about FGs. Even for FGs that doesn't have great tutorials, there are many, many online guides made for beginners.
As I said, no game will probably have a pool of players representing all skills levels. Eventually, players will get better and those in the beginning will have their own learning process, that is unavoidable, especially when trey try to play against other players instead of the CPU.
As I said, eventually the player will have to put some work if they hope to get better. If anything, this initial process is much more painless that it was before, however, the skill ceiling for everyone went up because of that, so even a beginner knows a few basics nowadays.
Buster Machine
Member
I will just never understand this call for more single player content in these games. If you want to just "release stress" for an hour or so, why wouldn't you go play something that's actually good instead of a dumbed down action game, playing a bunch of garbage mini-games, or reading a terrible visual novel?
That has nothing to do with "gitting gud" either. I can understand people who don't want to take the game too seriously having a problem staying engaged online since every fighting game dev has been truly incompetent on that front. But none of the solutions to that problem involve more single player content. If the very notion of playing with other humans is a problem, just go play something else.
That has nothing to do with "gitting gud" either. I can understand people who don't want to take the game too seriously having a problem staying engaged online since every fighting game dev has been truly incompetent on that front. But none of the solutions to that problem involve more single player content. If the very notion of playing with other humans is a problem, just go play something else.
At the end of the day I can't deny Capcom *ucked up big time on not maximising on the "casual" crowd for sales but I have no doubt that this game will build upon that and keep on growing and growing over the years. Competitively they have been successful as EVO numbers are probably past 4000 entrants by now but in order to stay relevant and popular among the "casual" crowd they need to get those modes and features in pronto.
The online content sucks for casuals too though.
It's not like other fighting games haven't had good, basic single player content before. Even Capcom games like Rival Schools and Red Earth.
AgentOtaku
Member
yeah, frame-loss is especially frustrating, but I chalk that up to the nature of online-play
this argument is predicated upon the game's AI being shit
good fighting game AI has been around for over a decade
I feel that SP content is an alternative to help beginners get used to the game, instead of just throwing them online. Sometimes, people are satisfied just beating up the CPU and never going against other players.
I know that when I was beginning, I was playing a ton of arcade mode in SF II when another friend of mine couldn't play. Even today in SF V I put a vs CPU scenario to train if I can use a new combo in a "real match".
I think SP content is important especially if you are just starting. For us that are used to the game, we can spend infinite hours into the online and never look back.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Hm but that means you're just pitted against AI opponents instead of actual humans.
With the exception of SFAlpha on PS2, most of the storyline modes were really, really barebones (screenshot, cutscene, done).
That being said, it shouldn't be hard for them to add one to SFV.
With the exception of SFAlpha on PS2, most of the storyline modes were really, really barebones (screenshot, cutscene, done).
That being said, it shouldn't be hard for them to add one to SFV.
I'm right there with you OP. I love the series, but it's an uphill battle to play for sure and it only gets tougher as you get older. I took a break to play DS3 when that released and between that and buying a house I haven't touched the game since Alex dropped. (still haven't beat DS3 either) I don't have the time to grind shit out in training mode to get my bearings back -- nor do I want to because I just don't find it very enjoyable. I stopped treating gaming like it was a second job long ago.
Personally, I just wish the input buffer was just a bit more lenient. That would solve any issue I have just jumping in and playing. I don't need to win but feeling like you're fighting the game/your ever deteriorating muscle memory instead of your opponent just isn't much fun.
Personally, I just wish the input buffer was just a bit more lenient. That would solve any issue I have just jumping in and playing. I don't need to win but feeling like you're fighting the game/your ever deteriorating muscle memory instead of your opponent just isn't much fun.
It seems like Capcom is less and less interested in the casual fighting game audience. I enjoy fighting games, I enjoy watching FGC stuff and talking about it, but I will never, ever be at that level and I don't want to be. It does seem like they don't care about the casual audience anymore, and it's also obviously they prioritized getting the game out for EVO over finishing it with content for casual players. MKX, as much as it's a lesser fighting game, is a much better overall package.
And I say this with the opinion that SFV is a very well designed fighting game with really great mechanics. I just got bored of doing the same 1v1 over and over again and getting rolled.
And I say this with the opinion that SFV is a very well designed fighting game with really great mechanics. I just got bored of doing the same 1v1 over and over again and getting rolled.
spazchicken
Member
I'm in the same boat as the OP as far as being an OG SF casual but I'm at the point to where I can at least win a round if not a full match here and there against most really good players that I run into.
I've never felt that the online component or even human component of SF in general was ever for me. Playing against the CPU has been my jam up until now and I decided to finally git gud before I even knew they would strip the single player mode, so Capcom actually did me a solid by taking away that temptation to run to single player whenever I get frustrated playing online.
I've never felt that the online component or even human component of SF in general was ever for me. Playing against the CPU has been my jam up until now and I decided to finally git gud before I even knew they would strip the single player mode, so Capcom actually did me a solid by taking away that temptation to run to single player whenever I get frustrated playing online.
DryEyeRelief
Member
this is like me going into a dark souls thread yelling that they should go play a fighting game instead of doing pvp
they're obviously there because the like dark souls. for whatever reason people were drawn to SF before, there's nothing less legitimate about it. especially if it's based on methods of entertainment that existed in prior games.
But Skullgirls works so much better.
We're talking about Capcom and one of the most if not the most important fighting game here. I don't think I'm asking too much.
AgentOtaku
Member
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I just have lost interest. Fuck Street fighter. Playing KI, GG, blazblue, MKX and a bit of Skullgirls.
More pissed of about how long tekken is taking than SFV at this point. Whatever.
More pissed of about how long tekken is taking than SFV at this point. Whatever.
the androgyne
Member
I wonder if they should include an option that let you disable all the refinements / new elements in one hit, bringing the gameplay right back to simple SF2. I know i could still have fun playing SF2 Turbo the same way i did 25 (jesus!) years ago. Have a mode with no supers, no v-whatever, no dash. I had more fun with SF4 at the very beginning until everyone was pulling off FADC's in their sleep.
KOF14 might work out better for casual if the true 3vs3 online mode pans out. Could get teamed up with some better players to learn or make you feel a little competent when the team wins, even if you weren't playing that great. Splatoon has that going for it and maybe that's contributed to it's popularity.
Personally, i was attracted to SF2 in the arcades from the creative characters, moves and stages, though i never much played in arcades at first. I played a lot on SNES and thought i was good at it until i got confidence to try playing in arcades/in public, only to get whomped most of the time!
Back then i was in school and had free time to try and get better but these days... Baby, job. It's just not that important to get good. I've remained interested in virtually all fighting games since, just at the basic level of liking the characters, the stages and the moves.
I bought a PS4 for SFV (amongst other things ive ended up playing much more), didn't bother buying into PS plus at all, so can't even get killed online if i wanted too! I played story, practice then challenge when that hit, will play the new modes as they come... Just enjoying bring able to pull off the odd combo in isolation instead of online in a lagfest - seriously to this day can't understand why online is so popular when the experience is so far removed from local. The VF5 devs were right when they initially didn't put online in the 360 version... even now with better connections and netcode. Would rather just play getting to appreciate the new characters, stages, changes to old characters ( i love how dhalsim animates now!) Just having fun!
KOF14 might work out better for casual if the true 3vs3 online mode pans out. Could get teamed up with some better players to learn or make you feel a little competent when the team wins, even if you weren't playing that great. Splatoon has that going for it and maybe that's contributed to it's popularity.
Personally, i was attracted to SF2 in the arcades from the creative characters, moves and stages, though i never much played in arcades at first. I played a lot on SNES and thought i was good at it until i got confidence to try playing in arcades/in public, only to get whomped most of the time!
Back then i was in school and had free time to try and get better but these days... Baby, job. It's just not that important to get good. I've remained interested in virtually all fighting games since, just at the basic level of liking the characters, the stages and the moves.
I bought a PS4 for SFV (amongst other things ive ended up playing much more), didn't bother buying into PS plus at all, so can't even get killed online if i wanted too! I played story, practice then challenge when that hit, will play the new modes as they come... Just enjoying bring able to pull off the odd combo in isolation instead of online in a lagfest - seriously to this day can't understand why online is so popular when the experience is so far removed from local. The VF5 devs were right when they initially didn't put online in the 360 version... even now with better connections and netcode. Would rather just play getting to appreciate the new characters, stages, changes to old characters ( i love how dhalsim animates now!) Just having fun!
I'm playing it on PC so I can't answer for PS4.
However, there are 163 people online on PC right now and I'm able to find a match in less than 30 seconds.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm in your exact boat OP. Been playing since 92 and buy them all. But 5 is the first i skipped due to the lack of content and exorbitant price. I've never been good online, ever. I'll eventually buy it when the price matches the game content, but I've held off for now.
If you're a more casual player who likes his offline modes (like me), switch over to Killer Instinct. Far more noob friendly and with constant updates over the last 2 and a half years, there's a lot of single player modes to dig into.
Even if you don't have an Xbox, you can get it on PC.
If you're a more casual player who likes his offline modes (like me), switch over to Killer Instinct. Far more noob friendly and with constant updates over the last 2 and a half years, there's a lot of single player modes to dig into.
Even if you don't have an Xbox, you can get it on PC.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Every single fighting game for the past 25 years except this one has had a basic Vs CPU or Arcade Mode. Many others have gone above and beyond. It's not a complaint that's come from nowhere. Don't care? That's cool. There are people who do and telling them to go play another genre entirely solves nothing apart from pushing people away from an already-insular community.
Buster Machine
Member
I know that it sucks for casuals, that's why the goal should be to fix that.
And a lot of good those good game modes did. Rival Schools, Soul Calibur, VF, all of that shit is basically dead. The fact of the matter is if you're looking to have a successful multiplayer focused video game in 2016, the solution is not to double down on single player content but work on monetizing the people that will be continually playing your game. If you don't want to make that, you're better off making another product altogether.
I guess it depends on what you mean by SP content. I'm not against basic stuff like challenges (that are actually useful), tutorials, or practicing on the cpu. But once you start getting into stuff like RPG modes and 8 hour long stories, you begin to lose me.
It'd be more like going into a Dark Souls thread and telling people to stop complaining about how From needs to work on pvp when the single player is still half-baked at best. SFV is one of the worst examples, but all of these games honestly feel like they're nearly a decade behind in terms of features and the business models they use compared to basically any other multiplayer focused genre. It's 2016 and not only do I have to pay for the next revision of GG Xrd, I have to wait haIf a year later for the privilege of buying it because of fucking arcades of all things. Hell, it's even longer than that if you aren't willing to import. SNK sees how well KoF XIII does on Steam and in other Asian countries outside of Japan, especially China. What's the solution? Well, obviously it's to release a $60 PS4 game and have their only mention of online fuctionality be a half hearted "We're really working on the netcode this time. We promise" like every other dev does. I'd be more receptive to the single player complaints if the other stuff was fine, but it's not.
Gunslinger
Member
There is definitely something wrong with matchmaking though. Even if the game only had 3 people playing including you then at most matchmaking should take is 5 min. But right now it takes way more than 5 min at times.
CommandThrower
Member
I'd probably play SFV more if it had an arcade mode.
My thing with SFV is that online fighting games don't thrill me. I used to play games like Soul Calibur 2 and Tekken 5 in the arcades; online just isn't the same. Yep, I'm one of those people. I've got plenty of people in my local scene to play SFV and other fighting games with locally, so I typically don't play online very often unless I get a hankerin' for it.
I'm currently Bronze in SFV. Just Bronze. I could probably get to the upper Silver ranks if I really wanted to, but online for fighters just doesn't thrill me.
My thing with SFV is that online fighting games don't thrill me. I used to play games like Soul Calibur 2 and Tekken 5 in the arcades; online just isn't the same. Yep, I'm one of those people. I've got plenty of people in my local scene to play SFV and other fighting games with locally, so I typically don't play online very often unless I get a hankerin' for it.
I'm currently Bronze in SFV. Just Bronze. I could probably get to the upper Silver ranks if I really wanted to, but online for fighters just doesn't thrill me.
The one good thing that can come from this is that Capcom can FINALLY (not holding my breath) learn from their mistakes and aim to pour more resources into thier products. It's also great that we only need to buy the base game and that all game updates will be free (unlike GG, Blazblue etc) but they seemed to rely on that concept too much without putting a lot into the game in the first place. Hopefully they can continue to build on the "casual" front as the sales aren't looking too bad and the competitive scene is shaping up to be the biggest in the FGC.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Fantastic first post. GG XrdR is coming during the summer with BBCF coming out at the end of the year. Sorry KOF XIV, but I ain't buying a PS4 for you.
You're just straw manning everyone in this thread, chill out dude. People are asking for better matchmaking and an arcade mode, not 8 hours of cut scenes.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Is it a "FOR FUN VS FOR GLORY" type situation? I didn't buy it cause it seems like it caters to the hardcore more so than IV did.