at least they didn't whitewash her as so much other entertainment media does
at least they didn't whitewash her as so much other entertainment media does
I want to point this out because it actually implies that being too pretty is synonymous to adhering to western beauty standards.
at least they didn't whitewash her as so much other entertainment media does
Wasn't she and the Ptolemaic dynasty in general Greek? We're not talking about Germanic white here, but whitewashing, really?
Agreed.
Nah, I want a pretty lady in this case. I know what you mean, but beauty standards change and her closest depiction would not be considered beautiful today so I do not see anything wrong with it. I am not expecting to learn proper history in games, tv shows or movies.
Off topic: What is the name of the girl and movie name you posted ?
Thanks
You could also combine the two assumptions and hypothesize that the depiction was mainly interested in copying the physiognomy of previous Ptolemaic royals, whether these features were present in her or not.To be fair, there's some debate going on over how accurate these depictions are. It's possible that Cleopatra's portrait on coins was made to look more masculine on purpose to give her an air of strength and power (as female rulers were not at all common at the time). However, it is noteworthy that many of these features (large nose, bulging eyes, chubby face) can be found in depictions of other Ptolemaic royals so they do seem to have run in the family.
You could also combine the two assumptions and hypothesize that the depiction was mainly interested in copying the physiognomy of previous Ptolemaic royals, whether these features were present in her or not.
I don't know, while she most certainly isn't historically accurate, I don't think she looks like your "typical" beauty in the CG trailer. If I had to judge, I'd say they at least tried to make her look different from whatever the standards may be.
We'll see in the final game, sometimes the CG versions are quite a bit different from their in-game counterparts - see Ezio in Revelations.
You could also combine the two assumptions and hypothesize that the depiction was mainly interested in copying the physiognomy of previous Ptolemaic royals, whether these features were present in her or not.
I don't know, while she most certainly isn't historically accurate, I don't think she looks like your "typical" beauty in the CG trailer. If I had to judge, I'd say they at least tried to make her look different from whatever the standards may be.
We'll see in the final game, sometimes the CG versions are quite a bit different from their in-game counterparts - see Ezio in Revelations.
Your post was just "I don't care". Which is fine, but ¯\_(ツ_/¯.
And this?
I'm sure OP knows these games aren't 100% historically accurate. No piece of entertainment media is. You don't need to turn OP's "hey guys this is not accurate here's why let's discuss this" into "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU THINK THIS WELL I DON'T CARE ABOUT WONDER WOMAN".
Beauty standards were different then. She was considered very beautiful at the time. It's actually keeping more in historical context to make her pretty by modern beauty standards than to stick to her more historic look.
Chances are she wasn't considered particularly beautiful in her day, either. There are historical sources claiming that she was attractive more for her wit, intelligence and charme than her physical appearance. (Though I'd have to read up on them again to tell you how trustworthy historians consider those sources to be.)
I'm confused about the fact that there is a perception of Cleopatra as being beautiful because everything I ever learned about her was just the opposite. She was no great beauty and it was her sharp mind, cunning and intelligence and the presence she projected that made her desirable.
I am with the OP on this one. These games laud themselves on historical accuracy so they should aim for that.
Probably not, like I said:
But even if we're going to ignore her physical features, that'd still leave her outfit being Egyptian instead of Greek. (And I'm not even entirely sure if it's accurate as far as ancient Egyptian fashion goes so it may well be pseudo-Egyptian.)
Somehow this is the first thing I've seen to specifically date the game. Sets it a lot more recently than I was expecting, in all honesty. Though I imagine the late game must like, have the Final War of the Roman Republic if they're going with that.
I am with the OP on this one. These games laud themselves on historical accuracy so they should aim for that.
Totally prefer this Cleopatra myself.
He's married and his wife is even playable.I'm sure Bayek will have some form of relationship moment with her at some point in the game, so they made it more appealing to the viewer if anything.
Already more posts then the gameplay impression thread. I dont get GAF sometimes..
In any case, this is still better than having characters in AC Unity speak with a British accent lol.
Exactly!And everyone who watched the trailer instantly knew who it was supposed to be. That's the point... recognizability, not accuracy.
Yeah, I haven't been paying much attention, but I'm super surprised they went with Ptolemaic Egypt for this one. Culturally and politically speaking it's as far removed from the "pharaohs and pyramids" era they seemed to be shooting for. I'm a nerd for Rome though so I can dig it.
As for Cleopatra - in general, yes, I'd agree that they're going with pop culture over history here, where they could have shot for the moon and come up with a more unique depiction. That being said, I'd caution against using ancient art as accurate history. It certainly informs our understanding, and is a better source than Hollywood movies from the 1950s, but it's all just guesswork.