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At the box office: The Avengers vs The Dark Knight Rises
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Chun-Li On A Bike
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For whatever reason I have never seen a marvel based movie I felt was good. They all seemed silly or on average around the same quirkyness to them for the most part.
I haven't saw the Avengers, but I really don't see how it could be different from x-men, thor, Iron Man etc
It almost seems all these movie studios are basically the same, like a pre-built set of rules and ways to do things. Cameras, CG... scripts and whatever. It all just feels so damn cookie cutter in most films today.
You have to see a "Kill Bill" or something for a movie to be a bit "different" rather you feel that movie is good or not, atleast it isn't the same old stuff thrown in a basket and pushed out the pie hole.
I haven't saw the Avengers, but I really don't see how it could be different from x-men, thor, Iron Man etc
It almost seems all these movie studios are basically the same, like a pre-built set of rules and ways to do things. Cameras, CG... scripts and whatever. It all just feels so damn cookie cutter in most films today.
You have to see a "Kill Bill" or something for a movie to be a bit "different" rather you feel that movie is good or not, atleast it isn't the same old stuff thrown in a basket and pushed out the pie hole.
SonicMegaDrive
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It's not on the same level as the Nolan films in terms of acting, human emotion, pathos, etc, no, but it's still good if you can appreciate it as a very, very well-done piece of pulp cinema.
Chun-Li On A Bike
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I may give it a try sometime.. its just I was burnt so much on x-men, spider man, thor etc
I know many will probably be a little angry at me and say I'm one of those comic geeks.
I'm not a huge comic fan, but I don't see the point of making a movie if you mess the source up so much. I mean... the idea of saber tooth and others is so "kick ass" in the books... but wow what fails they bring in the films..
I haven't seen Captain America either, and after the first Iron Man raelly didnt care to see the second.
Is Avengers really different from all those films... or just has more action to it?
I don't like Batman that great either, I mean the movies are made much more different and better imo than these Marvel based films.. but Bale from the get go is the wrong character to play Batman as many agree.
I wish Keaton had a different look to him, he is simply a smart actor. If any of you like him and haven't saw Multiplicity, I would suggest it. Quite funny to me.
Diprosalic
Banned
i think all the marvel movies are average at best but avengers was fantastic.
Avengers is all action. All the characters were established already from previous films, no need to devote a lot of screentime on them.
180 million is a shitload of money.
SonicMegaDrive
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Avengers is just a really likable film with oozes of fan service, great humor, and crowd pleasing moment.s
It'll entertain you but it won't reinvent the way you look at comic book movies.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Pretty much this. It's a movie meant to make you feel like an 8 year old and just have a good time.
Considering it's probably my best cinema experience I can say it succeeds. But then a lot of people get mad when a movie doesn't try to be artsy or consider that there's nothing enjoyable from seeing Thor and Hulk delivering the mayhem.
Chun-Li On A Bike
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Cool, I guess with that many big names you have to hit something good somewhere lol.
I didn't see the newest X-men either, but it seemed like a radial change that I wasn't sure about either.
I hope DKR isn't as bad as I have read in the other thread though.....
I was completely surprised at the Avengers ticket showing though... Really surprised.
To me, Batman and Spider man are much bigger names in general, but I guess when you fuck over Spider-Man so many times ... I mean he is simply probably in top 3 as far as cool factor... suit and abilities. Why they can't get a movie right is beyond my thinking...
Spawn wasn't too bad of a movie actually, it could have used a bigger budget sure, but hey for what they had it turned out rather well. That is what happens when you follow the source more closely imo
I will give Avengers a go, and you guys didn't have much negative to say about it. So I'll see it when I get a good chance to. I hope to get some more obscure films though, now I think about it there is good comic movies.. they just usually fall away from Marvel books lol
Spawn
Batman
Sin City
were all much better than all the Marvel flicks I have seen, not sure why this is, ah well.
cutmeamango
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Avengers is comics on the silver screen. For better or for worse.
SonicMegaDrive
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My main gripe with the Spawn movie was that it wasn't rated 'R'. But perhaps that's just the 17-year old me from the past talking.
Is this the latest update? 77.2M Friday & 170M Weekend
UPDATE: BOX OFFICE: Friday Number Lower Than Expected For TDKR; Heading To $170M Weekend In US?
UPDATE: BOX OFFICE: Friday Number Lower Than Expected For TDKR; Heading To $170M Weekend In US?
Chun-Li On A Bike
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Yeah, I mean come one! it's spawn, right??
I agree with you, but sometimes those big heads in the office win out lol
The cartoon was pretty slick though!
It got over played I guess, but it was still pretty cool.
Spawn seems to get a negative vibe now which is really sad in a way because the art and characters are all pretty nice. Dark and interesting for the most part.
I'd love to see another movie with a bigger budget and the right people involved. Warner could probably do it.
SonicMegaDrive
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Yeah, I loved the cartoon, I caught it on HBO when it was originally airing. I used to buy the figures and keep em mint in the package and everything.
Escape Goat
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How do you know the shooting impacted numbers?
It's matching what tracking was it the day before the shooting though. It was tracking between 170-180. Higher opening weekend than TDK and in terms of admissions it will beat The Avengers, people aren't avoiding the theater.
Thunder Monkey
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I really doubt an isolated event did any damage.
This is more than likely how it was going to perform at the outset. Great.
This is more than likely how it was going to perform at the outset. Great.
I didn't like Avengers because Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow(even tho she's hot), S.H.I.E.L.D, Hawkeye, Loki all do not appeal to me in the slightest. I don't care if they live, die, nothing.
I like RDJ's Iron Man, I like the fun he had in the film, but the first and 2nd Iron Man films aren't that great to me. Looking forward to the third.
I like RDJ's Iron Man, I like the fun he had in the film, but the first and 2nd Iron Man films aren't that great to me. Looking forward to the third.
Chun-Li On A Bike
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Hard to say if it the shooting made it higher or less but you'd have to assume less. People leaving, showings being cancelled etc
There is going to be people who are afraid to go, no doubt about that. We have all seen those parents who are fairly controlling. Their business though
There is going to be people who are afraid to go, no doubt about that. We have all seen those parents who are fairly controlling. Their business though
cutmeamango
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Per Box Office Mojo account, 175 million is what TDKR needed to surpass corrected TDK opening. Seems likely still, but not by much now. My 200mi expectation was way off.
Warners/Theaters didn't cancel any showings.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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You would be surprised how big media's influence is upon people.
It may be more difficult to compare the grosses right away (but we will eventually get the numbers):
In Gesture of Sympathy, Studios May Not Report Box Office Grosses This Weekend
In Gesture of Sympathy, Studios May Not Report Box Office Grosses This Weekend
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Both of them will have had millions from both soon enough. It's a factoid that's worth knowing, but it won't give TDKR any more legitimacy than it already has. It will be one of the most successful movies in history likely in short enough time.
I also don't think the consumerwhorism of this culture can be quelled with a single shooting either.
Tracking was higher than that earlier in the day, it was coming down all day as more data was released. The OW will probably be below 170m.
metalslimer
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If the shooting did effect the numbers, it will see a higher 2nd weekend.
Ape Gone Insane
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If not initially (weekend), do you guys seeing it passing Avengers long term ($1.4 billion)? What place do you think it will sit in the highest grossing films? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films#Highest-grossing_films
The mixed reviews will prevent DKR from doing so. Positive word of mouth really helped the Avengers do monster numbers.
Mixed reviews? 87% on rt, and 79% on mt (higher than avengers' 69)
where are you getting this mixed reviews thing? from gaf? lol
No. Avengers went beyond what anyone predicted it to do. I have The Hobbit as the WW leader this year.
metalslimer
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Probably lol. Anecdotally from all my friends that have seen both say TDR is the better movie.
Isn't Hobbit coming out near the end of December? Doesn't seem likely to be on top with a few weeks.
Said 52% were from 3D ticket sales. May or may not include 3D Imax.
And this one is saying 26 million tickets sold in its first weekend
So if you want to do some wonderful napkin math were most report 3$ prem being the average increase reported.
Or you can wait till they release ticket sold and use that as a comparison.
I really doubt that it has no effect. It did not impact pre sales as those tickets are already counted but I wouldn't be surprised if it had an impact on walk ins. With headlines like "Batman movie massacre" and the mention of copycats, people tend to let things like that influence them. The guy who bought his tickets a week ago and his super excited to see this is going no matter what. The person who buys their ticket the day of the showing may hold off from going this weekend.
Batman > Avengers here easily. Maybe not in the USA, but rest of the world for sure.
If a film is released in 2012 it counts for 2012 even if the majority of it's run is in 2013. Avatar counted as a 2009 film (box office) despite it's late 09 release.
Nazgul_Hunter
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They usually count movies as being in the year they came out. Hobbit will count as a 2012 movie even if it'll make most of the money in 2013
QuiteWhittle
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It'll be the opposite, if anything.
metalslimer
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Oh I would definitely count it as the top WW leader if it beat The Avengers eventually, but the quote made it sound like it would be on top by the end of the year.
If it falls to $180M or below then I think it leaves little doubt that the shooting had an impact. Like you said tracking had it coming close to DH2 OD record, it was supposed to top $180M easily and $190M+ seemed like a real possibility with tracking heading into the weekend.
If the $75M OD number is accurate, that would mean it did 45M on Friday without midnights. TDK was not front loaded on OD like Potter or Twilight films which means the 45M number is unusual. Studio estimates like the one WB gave before this weekend are usually low balled so that the actual number looks even better. There is a possibility that this actually stays at the estimate or falls below it which again would leave little doubt for me that the shooting had some kind of impact.
If a Flash movie is on par with the TV show? I will be popping and locking in the street like Vibe.
When the huge midnight showing tally was announced, I figured it would not top The Avengers for the weekend. Rather than an indication of a bigger opening, I took it as an indication that demand was going to be more front loaded than The Avengers, as is often the case with sequels. That looks to be playing out.
The shooting surely had some impact, but TDKR's nature as the last film in the trilogy was always going to front-load day one (and midnights) significantly. Sort of like Twilight, to a lesser degree.
Pretty sure the Aurora incident had an impact. WB released their expected numbers prior to the weekend and studios ALWAYS lowball these numbers and it was 170-180.
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