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SimpleDesign
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The 5770 should basically perform on par with the 4890 so it should generally outperform the 260 in most games. It also supports DX11 and consumes less power than a 260.jarosh said:
The 5750 sounds like it has the same horse power as the 4850, except with DX11 support.
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brain_stew said:Actually I'd say its pretty poor/mediocre from a priceerformance standpoint, the 5850 is way better value. If GTA4 is the reason you're upgrading then wait for 2GB cards.
A 2GB 5870? Have any idea when those will be available?
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:lol This is my greatest fear as well...Minsc said:
Just bought an aurora and I'll be got damn if a 2GB 5870 is released at the end of thos month alongside the HD 5870x2.Just got my 5850 finally (UK). Re-delivery attempted twice before apparently. Have quite a bit of work to be doing today, so I dunno if I should even be getting involved with installing it. Might compel me to play some games or something instead lol.
Looks beautiful though. Quite well built with a nice matt finish. Not actually as big as I'd imagined. Quite low profile too. And unlike most Sapphire stickers/3D models, this one's good. Crysis/Warhead/Medieval War/NFS Shift here I come! (When I have the time and am not playing Uncharted 2 lol.)
Looks beautiful though. Quite well built with a nice matt finish. Not actually as big as I'd imagined. Quite low profile too. And unlike most Sapphire stickers/3D models, this one's good. Crysis/Warhead/Medieval War/NFS Shift here I come! (When I have the time and am not playing Uncharted 2 lol.)
IMO the much lower idle power usage this are good reasons:jarosh said:
http://unigine.com/press-releases/091001-directx11/house_no_tesselation.jpg
http://unigine.com/press-releases/091001-directx11/house_tesselation.jpg
Nvidia preparing to fight 5700 series with ... GT220. http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15881/34/
:lol :lol :lol
DirectX10.1 versus DirectX11
48SPs versus 800SPs
Its also in a different price bracket but still whats the point of coinciding the launch with the 5700 launch. :/
:lol :lol :lol
DirectX10.1 versus DirectX11
48SPs versus 800SPs
Its also in a different price bracket but still whats the point of coinciding the launch with the 5700 launch. :/
Hey now, you know SPs don't work that way for each company. No need to make it look worse than it already is.irfan said:
They aren't fighting anything though. It's just worse in pretty much everyway.
**Checked some chiphell postings,
5750 ~ 4870
5770 > 4890
That what I got, can't read the website though.
Anyone want to fill me in?
http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=56309
I know that the SPs are not equal. If you go by how 48xx squares up against the GT2xx architecture, GT220 needs anywhere between 128+ SPs to be competitive against the 5750. Even with the price difference, it offers a poor perf/$ and pretty sure perf/watt.Hazaro said:
5770 ~ 4870Hazaro said:**Checked some chiphell postings,
5750 ~ 4870
5770 > 4890
That what I got, can't read the website though.
Anyone want to fill me in?
http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=56309
5750 > 4850
You think? The stark difference from the 4850 and 4870 in memory bandwidth didn't show up too much. (Even though my assumption is only based off 1 synthetic test)Durante said:
In addition to tweaks and better chips I think it will be a non-issue for the resolutions the cards are intended to play at.
We will know in a few weeks
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Anyone have a opinion on Dell/Alienwares new Aurora PC with 5870? Have any of you tried it yet? Is it good? It dosn't overheat does it? How does it perform with 12GB ddr3 1333ghz ram and a i7 950, 3.0ghz ??
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Since its an Alienware, I'll guarantee you that it'll be horribly overpriced and probably uses some non standard components making OCing and upgrading a bitch. In other words, stay the hell away.
If you don't want to build the rig yourself just put together a nice custom config on NCIX and pay the $50 assembly fee, job done.
Mr. Wonderful
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Hm. If this is going to be Nvidia's modern (not rebranded) new Low-Profile card, this might be just what I was looking for. Though I might wait (two years...) for a LP DX11 card/go ATi.irfan said:
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Got my Sapphire 1GB 5850 yesterday. The card just fit in my case with the power connectors on the side.
My old 4870 Palit brand with dual fans ran at 64% fan speed, putting this one at that rate sounded like a jet engine. Probably as the palit was custom.
Its running cool at only 21% fan speed. All games running great at highest anistropic filtering and 8xaa, core2duo @ 3.6ghz at 1080p resolution.
Cant wait for Dirt 2 in December and Battlefield Bad Company in March!
What sort of Overclocking are people getting with 5850's?
Currently running 775 Core and 1050memory and at what fan speeds?
My old 4870 Palit brand with dual fans ran at 64% fan speed, putting this one at that rate sounded like a jet engine. Probably as the palit was custom.
Its running cool at only 21% fan speed. All games running great at highest anistropic filtering and 8xaa, core2duo @ 3.6ghz at 1080p resolution.
Cant wait for Dirt 2 in December and Battlefield Bad Company in March!
What sort of Overclocking are people getting with 5850's?
Currently running 775 Core and 1050memory and at what fan speeds?
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My dad just bought me a GTX 260... how does it compare to the newest boards?
Im just happy that now I am officially in the WIIPC team!
Im just happy that now I am officially in the WIIPC team!
fistfulofmetal
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The drivers for XP64 are a little sketchy. I constantly have to adjust the display area because it shifts everything to the right or to the left. My Win7 partition just auto adjusts it luckily.
Everything is in place and working well though. I can now play Cryostasis on max with playable frames. Also eats up Crysis on all High (can't go Very High, only dx9).
Just waiting for Win7 retail so I can format this thing and not worry about dealing with XP64's many issues.
Everything is in place and working well though. I can now play Cryostasis on max with playable frames. Also eats up Crysis on all High (can't go Very High, only dx9).
Just waiting for Win7 retail so I can format this thing and not worry about dealing with XP64's many issues.
Is it just me, or are they starting to become more available everywhere? I'm just checking some of the Canadian retailers and many are getting 5850/5870s from Newegg.ca. This is encouraging to me where I'll be building a new PC at the end of the month with my copy of Windows 7. Biggest dilemma for me will be LGA1156 or LGA1366 for futureproofing. Damn prices on i7 boards are so high though.
Short answer: not necessarily.
Long answer: Once upon a time (not too long ago actually) GPUs had "hardware" vertex shaders and "hardware" pixel shaders. Now both of those are done in "software" on more general purpose SIMD units -- and the latter is much faster. Same thing with interpolators on the latest ATI hardware.
Note that I'm not saying Fermi will be good (or bad) at tesselation. Just that knowing that some component is "hardware" or not will not allow us to make that judgement.
Long answer: Once upon a time (not too long ago actually) GPUs had "hardware" vertex shaders and "hardware" pixel shaders. Now both of those are done in "software" on more general purpose SIMD units -- and the latter is much faster. Same thing with interpolators on the latest ATI hardware.
Note that I'm not saying Fermi will be good (or bad) at tesselation. Just that knowing that some component is "hardware" or not will not allow us to make that judgement.
In a way, but it's more complex than that -- let me try to explain. What actually increases over time is transistor budget. You could build a GPU with old-school pixel/vertex shaders and get a higher peak performance out of it than a modern (unified) GPU with the same number of transistor -- if you get perfect utilization. That is, the load has to be balanced in such a way that you always "need" all vertex and all pixel shaders. With unified SIMD units on the other hand you lose some space due to increased generality, but if there is a phase consisting almost entirely of pure vertex or pure pixel load you get to utilize a larger area of your chip. And so, for modern games at modern transistor budgets unified processing units have turned out to be faster.vertopci said:
As you can see the tradeoff is space efficiency versus generality. And it is the same thing for pure "hardware" tesselation versus "software" tesselation versus the many possibilities somewhere in between. I can neither tell you what the best way to go is right now nor if it will stay that way in the future.
SimpleDesign
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You'd hit a CPU bottleneck most likely. I also think Crysis does better with three cards instead of four.Reese-015 said:Any news at all on the 5870x2?
Also... Just for the sake of it... I'm wondering if a 4x 5870 crossfire would finally be able to do Crysis, all maxed out at full HD with 4xAA at a stable 60+fps
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Hazaro said:
Double slot cooler on a 5770 is my next card for the Media Centre.... can't see any passive solutions coming out and to be honest, it would be better having the air exhausted out the back anyway!
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Native HDMI out with full 7.1 HD audio audio including bitstreaming of the new HD codecs is what makes ATI's new cards the only choice for a HTPC card imo. Plus, full decoding of two 1080p streams in 3D desktop mode, just seals the deal.
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Not on an i5/i7. Crysis doesn't scale well across multiple GPUs period, but 4 is better than 3 just because of the extra bandwidth. On the other hand, Capcom's MT Framework engine (DMC4 engine) nearly scales linearly (2 cards = double the framerate).SimpleDesign said:
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GTA4 runs a lot better. Still won't let me put view distance all the way up tho. On my previous machine the MB limit was around 500. Now I'm allowed 980MBs