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Atlanta's Yellow Line angers some in Asian community

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http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/marta-yellow-line-to-294162.html?printArticle=y

MARTA ‘yellow line' to Doraville angers some in Asian community

By Dan Chapman and Ariel Hart


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

6:57 p.m. Monday, February 8, 2010

Asian-American activists offended that MARTA re-named the train line into the heart of Atlanta's Asian community the "yellow line" will take their objections to the transit agency's chief on Friday.

“Yellow,” as a term for skin color, carries a generally negative, racist connotation among Asians.

MARTA officials were warned by an employee before the name change last October that Atlanta’s burgeoning Asian community would find the term for the line to Doraville offensive.

“Historically, it has had a derogatory intent,” said John Park, an attorney with the nonprofit Center for Pan Asian Community Services in Doraville, just down the hill from the Marta station. “It physically paints a very unattractive picture. I don’t consider myself ‘yellow.’”

Park and other Asian activists plan to meet Friday with MARTA CEO Beverly Scott. They hope MARTA will change the line’s name from yellow to gold.

Scott said Monday that she will go into the meeting with an open mind. "There are very few things in this life that are absolute," she said.

While Scott did not "in any way want to minimize" the concerns, she said that one MARTA employee's complaint was not indicative of everybody's feelings. She added that by the time it was raised, MARTA was ending a year-long process to implement the change. "Everything was printed, we were ready to go," she said.

MARTA launched the color-coded lines Oct. 1 to help passengers navigate the system more easily. Transit officials noted that other systems, including Washington, D.C., and San Francisco, use similar color codes. MARTA designates its lines red, green, blue and yellow.

John Yasutake, MARTA's former manager of equal opportunity and conflict resolution, attended what he called “a senior staff meeting” Sept. 1 where the proposed name changes for the Doraville line and other routes were discussed. Scott did not attend the meeting.

“I said, ‘Hold on folks, do you realize that there’s a very large Asian community in Doraville and the surrounding area?” Yasutake recalled Monday. “I was offended as an Asian man. Would we run a line through East Point or the West End and call it the ‘black’ line?”

Yasutake, who now works for a college in Bellevue, Wash., said the MARTA staff members didn’t appear concerned that “yellow” is considered insensitive and might infuriate members of the community. On Oct. 7, after the change was implemented, he wrote to Scott detailing his concerns.

In her response to Yasutake, Scott said, “while it was certainly not our intent to be contemptuous in changing the name of the Doraville Line to the Yellow Line, we thoroughly understand the historical perspective that you shared with us on this matter.”

“As a result,” Scott continued, “this gives us added impetus to increase both our internal and external cultural diversity efforts to maximize the Asian American community’s inclusion in the Authority's contracts and procurements, job recruitment, community outreach and sensitivity training.”

Scott, according to internal MARTA documents obtained by The Atlanta Journal Constitution through the Georgia Open Records Act, asked her staff to research the use of color coding. But after meeting with local Asian community groups, Reginald Diamond, executive director of the Office of Diversity and Equal Opportunity, said in a Nov. 16 note to a colleague that the name would remain the same.

He added, "I do not believe that any of the parties we met with last week use MARTA on other than an occasional basis."

The U.S. Census Bureau tallied more than 200,000 Asian-Americans – Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans and others – across the Atlanta metro area in 2004, a number considered by many to be greatly under-counted. Asian economic clout -- valued at $8 billion in sales by Asian-owned businesses in 2002 -- grows rapidly.

The color yellow has a long history of being used in a negative way when referring to Asians. The so-called "yellow peril," which entered the U.S. vernacular in the 19th century with the arrival of Chinese immigrants, raised racist fears of an assault on Western values and standards of living. Fear of the “yellow scourge” returned in force after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor at the onset of World War II.

“Anybody who rides MARTA knows that the line going up through that area is heavily Asian,” said Robert Bullard, director of the Environmental Justice Resource Center at Clark Atlanta University. “These are always sensitive issues. Anticipation of concern and sensitivity, and the outreach, probably should have been done before."

Scott said she heard complaints from the employee and a few advocacy group leaders. At a recent community forum, she asked some Asian-Americans if they were offended and said they told her they weren't. She noted that Asian and American cities that have public transit call some routes yellow lines. However, she stressed that she is ready to listen.

MARTA employs 13 people in its diversity office. They focus on equal opportunity in employment and disadvantaged business and perform some community outreach.

"MARTA is an extremely important part of our community," said Helen Kim, the nonprofit Pan Asian center's advocacy director. "It's our public transit system and we’re very supportive of it. So we’re not at the point where we just want to hear a sound bite from MARTA and shake hands. We want them to show us that they sincerely want to change the name."
 
Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Indigo
Violet

Seven basic colors, but you'll usually want to remove orange and indigo to be easily discernible by the masses across various print/ink sources. Can this not be mere coincidence? Can yellow never be applied to anything marked by Asian culture? They are being racist against themselves.
 
Saw this story a few days ago in the AJC. I was thinking about making a thread about it on GAF.

In short, people are fucking retarded.
 
You know what the dumbest part is?

Apparently, on maps, the line has been colored yellow for decades.

They simpyl decided to make it officially the yellow line, and these babies start crying.
 
I never thought about where the yellow line heads until reading this.

edit: as in, I never made the association.
 
jamesinclair said:
You know what the dumbest part is?

Apparently, on maps, the line has been colored yellow for decades.

They simpyl decided to make it officially the yellow line, and these babies start crying.
Really? SMH.
 
Asians aren't yellow so I never liked that term.... but we've got to shoehorn them into some sort of color, that's just how it works.

Knowing how popular light skin is in Asia... maybe "really, really white people" would be flattering?
 
Dice said:
Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Indigo
Violet

Seven basic colors, but you'll usually want to remove orange and indigo to be easily discernible by the masses across various print/ink sources. Can this not be mere coincidence? Can yellow never be applied to anything marked by Asian culture? They are being racist against themselves.
I don't see white or black there! Equality for all!
 
mac said:
Just call it the ching-chong line.



Whoa, my mistake. I meant Gong Gong. It means public bus in Chinese.

I look forward to your racist ass getting banned.

BTW, I wonder when laserbeam's ban expires...
 
S-Wind said:
I look forward to your racist ass getting banned.

BTW, I wonder when laserbeam's ban expires...


Look it up. Gong Gong chi chi. Even my Chinese teacher made that joke when we were learning about public transportation.
 
mac said:
Look it up. Gong Gong chi chi. Even my Chinese teacher made that joke when we were learning about public transportation.
Yeah, because that was the most racist and offensive part of your post.
 
The Faceless Master said:
MARTA should know better. something, something, history, doomed, repeat.

oh, wait, it's the south.

Yeah, because MARTA is the only Subway with a yellow color coded subway line
subway-map.jpg


give me a break
 
samus4ever said:
Yeah, because MARTA is the only Subway with a yellow color coded subway line
http://www.astoriarealty.com/i/subway-map.jpg

give me a break
Lines in New York aren't named by color, and the Los Angeles Metro System, which uses colors for names (Red Line, Purple Line, etc.) has different names for its Yellow and Brown colored lines (Gold and Bronze).

Naming lines after colors is a bad idea for a transit agency anyway, since you have to translate it into so many different languages in your materials (compared to uniform letters and numbers). It all eventually converges towards letters and numbers anyway, because you start having to use silly names like "Aqua" or "Silver" as you run out of colors to name lines.
 
numble said:
Lines in New York aren't named by color, and the Los Angeles Metro System, which uses colors for names (Red Line, Purple Line, etc.) has different names for its Yellow and Brown colored lines (Gold and Bronze).

Isn't that racist towards the Native Americans?

I mean seriously people.... this is a bit too PC. If the lines were called the Washington Line, Eisenhower Line, Lincoln Line and Yellow Line.... I could understand the commotion... but now it is pretty clear its just color codes right?
 
numble said:
Lines in New York aren't named by color, and the Los Angeles Metro System, which uses colors for names (Red Line, Purple Line, etc.) has different names for its Yellow and Brown colored lines (Gold and Bronze).

Naming lines after colors is a bad idea for a transit agency anyway, since you have to translate it into so many different languages in your materials (compared to uniform letters and numbers). It all eventually converges towards letters and numbers anyway, because you start having to use silly names like "Aqua" or "Silver" as you run out of colors to name lines.

Well I ride Marta 5 days a week and I've never heard anyone call them by color lines anyways. It's always by the final destination station name that the trains go by. The Doraville line used to be orange. But if people knew what a lot of people call marta around here having a line called yellow would seem like a silly complaint.
 
samus4ever said:
But if people knew what a lot of people call marta around here having a line called yellow would seem like a silly complaint.
Yes, don't you guys "humorously" call MARTA "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta" over there?
 
Tence said:
Isn't that racist towards the Native Americans?

I mean seriously people.... this is a bit too PC. If the lines were called the Washington Line, Eisenhower Line, Lincoln Line and Yellow Line.... I could understand the commotion... but now it is pretty clear its just color codes right?

can't you see that this is a clear case of southern racism that has nefariously seeped into Atlanta's mass transit authority?!? It's all so obvious Yellow = Azn Ppl live thur so stay away from em
 
They just opened a light rail line in East L.A. If they would have called it the Brown Line, I wouldn't care. I am Latino.
 
they could call it the "close-to-yellow-but-not-quite line". they wouldnt have to repaint anything either.
 
El Papa said:
They just opened a light rail line in East L.A. If they would have called it the Brown Line, I wouldn't care. I am Latino.
It's kind of ironic that you mention that line, given that the first phase of the line was named to not offend Asians (it runs through Chinatown) and the second phase of the line was renamed to appeal to Latinos (goes through East LA).
 
Nonsense like this makes my head hurt. I'm sure race relations are actually going to get worse as time goes on the more we try to improve them.

The Faceless Master said:
yeah, thre's a huge difference between being yellow colored and calling it 'THE YELLOW LINE'
And this minority of idiots would probably have taken offence at either.
 
Is the term "yellow" really used as a negative against asians ? I never noticed that.
But even if it's the case, the best way to fight against negative connotations is to spread the use of the word in neutral contexts, like this one. Asking for the name of the line to be changed is like saying "I want the word yellow to remain a racist term exclusively !"
 
I demand a stop to all rail projects in the United States as Asians were often used as essentially-slave labor to build America's first railroads. These rail projects are insulting and a painful reminder to the Asian community about the terrible means by which many of their ancestors came to this country.

I also demand Georgia Tech change their nickname, and that Big Bird be made fuscia.
 
Half of their point is that the Yellow Line runs through the Asian area of town, and they are probably taking Los Angeles' Gold Line as precedent (it runs through Los Angeles' Chinatown, and was named "Gold" instead of "Yellow").

And the fact that MARTA has other negative racial issues probably plays a role in their sentiment (MARTA is already commonly used for racist jokes that disparage African Americans).
 
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