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Avengers: Infinity War: Adding Defenders Into Film Is "Complicated"
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Shes fun and brings a nice sense of wonder and enjoyment to the Marvel Universe.Plus her costume is kickin' and she does all the right shipping.
BronsonLee
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They also already said it was Danvers so who cares
I feel like the Netflix shows are telegraphing a solid desire to have the two integrate somewhere. Daredevil had a few references to the Battle of New York, but they were very low-key and done in passing. Jessica Jones had an episode where (episode... 4 or 5 spoiler)
. The MCU has clearly become something more active than a background prop in the time between the two series. I think when they initially made Daredevil they were looking to keep the two rather neatly separated, but the strong response to DD gave them second thoughts.
But putting them in the films doesn't need to be outright weaving the Defenders into a blockbuster CGI fight. Just have a scene where, say, an enemy thug saunters into Luke Cage's bar looking to shake him down for intel on an Avenger. Luke replies, "I don't have anything to do with those guys." Thug throws a punch, Luke doesn't move an inch. He smirks. Quick camera cut to street, thug flies backwards out of the bar doors.
Cameo done.
someone who hired her turned out to be targeting her for a superhuman hatecrime in response to the Battle of New York
But putting them in the films doesn't need to be outright weaving the Defenders into a blockbuster CGI fight. Just have a scene where, say, an enemy thug saunters into Luke Cage's bar looking to shake him down for intel on an Avenger. Luke replies, "I don't have anything to do with those guys." Thug throws a punch, Luke doesn't move an inch. He smirks. Quick camera cut to street, thug flies backwards out of the bar doors.
Cameo done.
Yeah, and that's why I want her to have her own animated series.
MrRudiMentary
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Not everything needs to be connected. The tone is so different between the two shows that I actually think it's really jarring and hard to believe that during the events of Jessica Jones Tony Stark is joking about saving everybody in the country of Sokovia. Honestly I prefer my Avengers potatoes separate from my Defenders peas.
So, just like life?
You're here while some kid in africa is starving to death while in other country someone is fucking someone elses wife.
TimFL
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It's not hard at all. The Infinity War movies should showcase a global fight everywhere on earth (I totally expected AoU to have several cities under siege with Ultron bots, but we got that secluded city no one ever heard of...).
All they have to do is cut to a trashed street where Daredevil fights against a few Thanos minions (maybe have Punisher show up too etc) and they included them somehow.
If I get another "oh hey, NYC is the only city in the world thats why the big bad focuses his attack on said city only" movie I'll rage quit the cinema. If I were Thanos and had a huge cosmic army I'd wreak havoc on atleast a continent (or heck atleast the east coast). Make it near impossible for the poster boys to stop the invasion, explain the minions being held off on the other side of the world/continent as "hey we got a few unknown heroes over there that got out on the street and helped stop/slow down the Thanos crew" --> Daredevil says "you're welcome".
All they have to do is cut to a trashed street where Daredevil fights against a few Thanos minions (maybe have Punisher show up too etc) and they included them somehow.
If I get another "oh hey, NYC is the only city in the world thats why the big bad focuses his attack on said city only" movie I'll rage quit the cinema. If I were Thanos and had a huge cosmic army I'd wreak havoc on atleast a continent (or heck atleast the east coast). Make it near impossible for the poster boys to stop the invasion, explain the minions being held off on the other side of the world/continent as "hey we got a few unknown heroes over there that got out on the street and helped stop/slow down the Thanos crew" --> Daredevil says "you're welcome".
Tertullian
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I would rather they focus on making good movies than shoehorning literally everyone in. A lot of people seem to be saying "it's easy, you just throw in a bunch of contextless insert shots of Daredevil punching badguys!" But that's bad storytelling. You can't just throw in a character from a totally different medium with no explanation whatsoever. Pasting an offhand, winky, one-line explanation in the script isn't much better either. There has to be some actual dramatic reason for these characters to be there. More is not better.
I would be much more on board with this. Makes the Agents of Shield people make a lot more sense too.
I would be much more on board with this. Makes the Agents of Shield people make a lot more sense too.
fallengorn
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The Avengers was taken?
What? Shit happens all over the place in the MCU. You basically want they to squash fires all over the place... but that's basically all their individual movies collectively.
exmachina64
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Let me hear the Punisher say, "Now what should I do with all these bullets..."
Septimus Prime
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Thanos will be all, like, "Behold my power," and then Daredevil won't because he's blind.
BronsonLee
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Nightshade
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Is there a rights reason for this? I always assumed they say stuff like "the green guy" to avoid the terms feeling shoe horned in . Even though it does generally come off as a camera nod like "hey look we're in a shared universe!"
Jack Scofield
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I'm assuming it would cost quite a bit of money to get these characters to appear in the movie, especially if it's not already stipulated in their contracts. And if it's nothing more than a glorified cameo, I don't see the point. It's not like having Jessica Jones in Avengers 3 is suddenly going to help the movie gross more money.
I didn't say that the tone of all the shows were the same, I said that there's nothing making them incompatible with each other.
Father_Brain
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Not incompatible, but I definitely think it would be more of a challenge making any significant, direct narrative crossover work than it would be for, say, the Agents of SHIELD characters (who I don't expect to see in a film anytime soon, either).
super-heated plasma
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Agreed, what they should do is address it in later seasons of the shows themselves. Maybe have a flashback scene of Daredevil fighting a minion when shits going down.
And you could have a simple line of dialogue in the movies prior alluding to how the Defenders are helping secure the city. Maybe they are seen in some news footage.
Nostremitus
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So... Who else thinks this complication is Isaac Perlmutter being an ass hat following the loss of control over the movies?
shortsFortallPeople
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i'd chalk it up to A) not wanting to push children towards watching some PG13/R-rish content by advertising the defenders and B) not wanting those two films to feel bloated with heroes.
Ultron was already kinda feeling like there were too many heroes, adding a whole new team on top of whatever other crazy shit they have planned for the Infinity War movies seems like a bit too much.
Well their cameos are clearly being saved for the inhumans movie...
They pretty much are forced to at this point, especially in regards to Agents of SHIELD since
there's a worldwide contagion of part alien supers now running around. The President seen in IM3 even put out a speech on the matter.
UnemployedVillain
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Saying stuff like "Green guy" EASILY sounds more shoe horned in and gringey than if she just casually aid "The Hulk"
Nostremitus
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If they don't go all out with the cameos in the Infinity War, then they're doing it wrong... There's no need for them to be Central characters or anything, just other people who are also taking part considering that it's an event that would affect them as well.
Who are the Warriors Three? Iron Legion is Tony's army of suits right?
Let the Avengers take care of Thanos, make the Defenders take care of whatever fallout Thanos causes on Earth. Make it part of the movie; up in Avengers-tower, they assemble the Defenders, and make a plan for them to defend Earth from whatever Thanos is sending down, so the Avengers can concentrate on Thanos. Show what the Defenders are doing in a separate Netflix movie.
Scorpion Soldier
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Fandral, Hogun & Volstagg (Thor & Sif's company, for reference.)
Tony's suits in IM3 were the Iron Legion, though his drones in Age of Ultron shared the same title.
ArtHands
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I don't think Netflix series are forbidden to say these words, but more of not namedropping just for the sake of namedropping because it feels forced and artificial. It'll be better if its done in mere passing or doesn't feel out of place like Anton Vanko's cameo in Agent Carter series.
Father_Brain
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I think it would be naive at this point to assume that any such thing "has to" happen, regardless of how much sense it would make within the universe.
If Infinity War is supposed to be the culmination of everything Marvel has done with the MCU so far, then they should absolutely try to get everyone in, from the movies, TV shows, etc. whether they just get a small cameo or have a bigger role in the overall fight against Thanos. It'd be the perfect way to close off this era of the MCU and be suitably epic considering this is gonna be a five hour in total affair that touches every corner of its fictional universe.
...I have a MIGHTY NEED for this.
alexandros
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This part of the article stood out to me:
Holy shit. HOLY SHIT.
Holy shit. HOLY SHIT.
Dope cast.
Would only be improved by including The Defenders.
Also scust at Carol Danvers.
Reminded me of when I went to see Age of Ultron. Kids were standing there awed by the sheer number of actors on the list, I smiled and told them Infinity War will have all those and more. Their eyes almost popped out
You're never too young to learn that sobriety blows.
I must be one of the only ones that gets so ridiculously turned off by the crossover bullshit comics and now comic movies seem to love. It's one of the biggest reasons I never got into comics, and it's a huuuuuge reason I haven't really seen much of the Marvel movies. It just ruins my immersion really quickly.
I've been loving Daredevil and now Jessica Jones, and I suppose I'll watch Defenders, but them all grouping up together really isn't on my list of things I'm looking forward to. I'd rather they be separate universes.
I've been loving Daredevil and now Jessica Jones, and I suppose I'll watch Defenders, but them all grouping up together really isn't on my list of things I'm looking forward to. I'd rather they be separate universes.
You're definitely not the only person in the world who doesn't like it but it doesn't make sense to me either way.
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