SonicMegaDrive
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Oooh. He's got you there, OP.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Thats the whole point. To not help, when someone gives a bad example.
Am surprised no one gave Uchouten Kazok as a current example of a show that is fantastic with not only its story but artistic direction. Esp in episode 6.
Uncle Ulty
Banned
Just because moe anime is very popular right now doesn't mean all other genres of anime are dead forever.
Even aimed at younger audiences they were...less than impressive.
sounds like you have an obsession with cute girls doing cute things
might want to get that checked out
Eh, I gotta say better than alright, espically later on. 3rd season is gold, it never aired on AS I believe.
Another funny one.
Ragnarok4750
Banned
Call me when an American cartoon comes out with this level of visual craftsmanship:
Or when someone makes a cartoon as willing to grapple with mature themes as From the New World.
Not that there's anything inherently wrong with American cartoons. But they tend to cater to different tastes, so it's kind of silly to compare them like this.
Or when someone makes a cartoon as willing to grapple with mature themes as From the New World.
Not that there's anything inherently wrong with American cartoons. But they tend to cater to different tastes, so it's kind of silly to compare them like this.
A pregnant girl got sexually assaulted with glass in the Anime...I'd hardly say that was light-hearted.
I agree on the Otaku being the financiers of anime. It is their fault it is where it is.
Panty and Stocking is TERRIBLE. Talk about a show that is 100% reaching and scrambling for the easiest joke they could possibly make.
Call me when an American cartoon comes out with this level of visual craftsmanship:
Or when someone makes a cartoon as willing to grapple with mature themes as From the New World.
Watch the Glitch episode of Adventure Time. One of the most visually impressive things I've seen in a while.
Considering that at the time they were airing here we were getting that other MLP horrible show and stuffs like carebears....
And seriously look up what the US was shitting out as far animation goes at the time.
Aside from the Simpsons (which wasn't aired as a children show btw) and a few others like Family dogs it was pretty barren and bad.
Kite
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The excellent and currently airing Space Brothers, Uchouten Kazoku and Hunter x Hunter make me laugh at your claim that anime is on the decline. Anime has always been mostly crap, except for a few exceptions there are usually only 1-3ish good shows per season for as long as I've been an anime fan (1990ish). And the complaint about high school setting is especially funny to me, where have you been for the last few decades?
Are you one of those anime fans who got started late and was overwhelmed by all the good shows that newbies go nuts over, not noticing that all your favorites are from different years and expect the pace to keep up every season?
Are you one of those anime fans who got started late and was overwhelmed by all the good shows that newbies go nuts over, not noticing that all your favorites are from different years and expect the pace to keep up every season?
Call me when an American cartoon comes out with this level of visual craftsmanship:
.../shrug.
It isn't that impressive to me, and it sure as hell isn't impressive as older anime. :/ That maybe because the term 'visual craftsmanship' might be subjective.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I think thats the whole point with Panty and Stocking. Its a perfect reflection of what the US cartoon scene is at times, just cranked up more.
The only good US cartoon show I still remember was Batman the animated series.
Call me when an American cartoon comes out with this level of visual craftsmanship:
Or when someone makes a cartoon as willing to grapple with mature themes as From the New World.
As far as mature themes go, the rest of the boondocks.
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chickdigger802
Banned
isn't the tmnt show all cg, or am i thinking of another show?
patrickthehedgehog
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I love both and I'm aware that quality ebbs and flows on both sides. If only there were more western animation on bluray boxsets. I'd love to buy Gravity Falls, Motorcity or Titan.
Ughh @ people wanting to fight about which is better when animation in general is struggling to stay relevant as an art form.
Ughh @ people wanting to fight about which is better when animation in general is struggling to stay relevant as an art form.
Except it's not. In trying to parody american values in cartoons aimed at kids and adults, they completely miss the mark and end up making a genuinely bad show.
The only one that made me laugh was the transformers episode, but even then, it was just a chuckle here and there. Every joke they made had been done by a different medium much much better. I mean honestly, "Let's go streaking!!!"? Do they think kids are just reciting things from obscure Will Farrel movies now?
As far as mature themes go, the rest of the boondocks.
Boondocks isn't bad, although it's more of a comedy. I was referring more to mature drama with my reference to From the New World.
2012 are pretty good year for anime, you might want to check some stuff that listed in here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510801
2011 also good
I must say 2013 are disappointing in regard so far (Uchouten is great like everyone saying) hopefully the upcoming fall season that look promising can change thing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510801
2011 also good
I must say 2013 are disappointing in regard so far (Uchouten is great like everyone saying) hopefully the upcoming fall season that look promising can change thing.
"It does, and that's why I stopped watching anime after Cowboy Bebop!"
Wat 2: wat harder.
Anime that does not pander to the fan base which funds it does not last long. This is simple economics.
If one were to blame otaku culture for the downfall of anime I wouldnt necessarily dismiss it off bat. It would be a hypothesis nontheless which would need to be backed up. I'd say there was some truth to it. Seeing as video games was one of the few media coming from Japan which did not experience a large decrease in overall quality following Japan's economic death of the early 90's I'd say a strong argument could be made.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Call me when an American cartoon comes out with this level of visual craftsmanship:
Or when someone makes a cartoon as willing to grapple with mature themes as From the New World.
Not that there's anything inherently wrong with American cartoons. But they tend to cater to different tastes, so it's kind of silly to compare them like this.
Well, since you didn't specify a time period:
Spawn HBO Series (1997)
Batman The Animated Series
Spicy City
Aeon Flux
Top of my head. It HAS happened, but the sad thing is these were all shows from the 90s. If there was/has been anything relative to them in the years to follow, I can't say I've heard much on it.
Batman TAS is great. I wish they still made cartoons like that for kids.
You stopped watching cartoons a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago then. Do yourself a favor and go watch Archer.
Ugh, Spawn was so good. I'm still amazed no one picked that series up after HBO let it go. I guess the time period didn't allow for too many places for violent cartoons to exist.
Aeon Flux was pretty damn incredible too.
Recent. That's from the 90s.
Also not as cute as this girl:
Intentionally cute things don't impress me.
>.>
Like, I find characters like Yuri Sakazaki from Art of Fighting adorable, or Chihiro from Danganronpa. (She's BORDERLINE MOE, OK. SHE COUNTS LEAVE ME ALONE ; A
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I hope I'm not spoiling anything in mentioning that episode of Uncle Ruckus's family coming to visit. No disputing that one touched on something that's sadly real for a lot of people.
Also not as cute as this girl:
oh you!
chickdigger802
Banned
there are tons of good cartoons for sure, but none of them generated as much tears and emotions as Sword Art Online does for toonamigaf and animegaf.
The return of the king
The passion of Uncle Rukus
Home alone
Smoking with Cigarwetts
Still Comedy focused, but that doesn't eliminate the prospect of drama.
This too.
Bokurano was amazing.
Which, in and of itself, is bizarre. I feel like that's waifu attachment though.
Recent. That's from the 90s.
Also not as cute as this girl:
This is like one of those aliens that hide as cute things then eat your face off when you get too close right? the antenna are a dead give away.
oy anime really is dead..
Yeah just The Boondocks is a comedy doesn't mean it isn't handling some damn mature themes.
It's the same as the US, if the shows is supposed to live or die by the ratings it's quickly and quietly cancelled (and is generally of higher quality).
If it's supposed to sell merchandizing it'll live as long as the merchandizing sell.
Guess why Green Lantern or whatever that was got cancelled?
I still don't get why wildly popular mangas that get successful anime adaptations (which is the norm btw, if you get a manga that is popular you usually get an anime after that....and a game too....and plenty of other stuffs) is the fault of otakus.
You're basically singling out stuffs like the show Transformers and saying otakus are the only ones making these shows viable.
That's so far from the truth it's comical.
Recent. That's from the 90s.
Also not as cute as this girl:
Well while it isnt recent the show premiered in 1998 and hits it hike in popularity in the 2000's and even got a movie. So saying its a 90's cartoon isn't exactly accurate.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Archer is amusing will give it that. Saw a few eps and it is hilarious. Man I remember that Spawn cartoon show. That shit was cool. Then MTV? Had that short with The Maxx right? Or was it an actual series I dont remember, but those were around the same time frame werent they? Once again that was some cool shit.
Gintoki313
Banned
I personally am:
Anime > American Cartoons (I'm mostly speaking of comedy, not in a whole)
I watch cartoons almost all day, my TV literally stays on Cartoonnetwork and Comedy Central (when the shows like South Park etc is on). After many years of watching a ton of cartoons, I start to notice a lot of the humor staying the same. It seems like every single cartoon is starting to have the dumb idiotic protagonist now (EX: Peter Griffin, Fry, and Homer). The idiotic protagonist shtick has been done so much that it's starting to get boring, I can only see a guy act oblivious and unintelligible so many times before I start getting bored. The 3 protagonist examples were the first 3 to make the idiotic character cool and funny. Nowadays cartoons are really trying WAY to hard to do this. King of the Hill is one of my favorite cartoons just because the protagonist is smart, and normal and still keep it's humor.
Not only this but the humor nowadays is getting bad. Most of the jokes I'm seeing are really stupid phrases like shmowzow, oh my glob, and calling the butt their hams (I like Adventure Time but almost every cartoon is doing this now). Also most of the humor is starting to get disgusting. Fart jokes and boogers are not my thing anymore. If you don't believe me then look at some of the pilots coming to cartoonnetwork like Uncle Grandpa.
There are good toons that are trying to mix it up which I really appreciate. The Amazing World of Gumball with it's parody humor. MAD with a kind of cartoonic Robot Chicken humor, and Regular Show with it's slacker not so regular mis-adventures humor. Flapjack also with it's funny face humor.
So while cartoons and anime both have their good sides, I just plain enjoy anime humor over cartoon humor. I just find anime always tend to have jokes that are new and fresh most of the time. It also seems that anime aren't scared to break a few barriers when it comes to comedy. While it does tend to have some jokes that happen all the time (the typical dude falling in a girls chest joke), it mixes it up fairly enough that it's fresh. If you compare School Rumble to GTO (both school comedies) you'd get 2 different kind of humors in one set.
Though if were talking about action cartoons like the examples you gave, then I'm lost. I only watch comedic anime and cartoons, so I'm not a specialist when it comes to the action parts in both anime and cartoons. Though I will say that I enjoy watching action anime over cartoon action. Can I back up why I think this, no. I just prefer it.
/my opinion
Anime > American Cartoons (I'm mostly speaking of comedy, not in a whole)
I watch cartoons almost all day, my TV literally stays on Cartoonnetwork and Comedy Central (when the shows like South Park etc is on). After many years of watching a ton of cartoons, I start to notice a lot of the humor staying the same. It seems like every single cartoon is starting to have the dumb idiotic protagonist now (EX: Peter Griffin, Fry, and Homer). The idiotic protagonist shtick has been done so much that it's starting to get boring, I can only see a guy act oblivious and unintelligible so many times before I start getting bored. The 3 protagonist examples were the first 3 to make the idiotic character cool and funny. Nowadays cartoons are really trying WAY to hard to do this. King of the Hill is one of my favorite cartoons just because the protagonist is smart, and normal and still keep it's humor.
Not only this but the humor nowadays is getting bad. Most of the jokes I'm seeing are really stupid phrases like shmowzow, oh my glob, and calling the butt their hams (I like Adventure Time but almost every cartoon is doing this now). Also most of the humor is starting to get disgusting. Fart jokes and boogers are not my thing anymore. If you don't believe me then look at some of the pilots coming to cartoonnetwork like Uncle Grandpa.
There are good toons that are trying to mix it up which I really appreciate. The Amazing World of Gumball with it's parody humor. MAD with a kind of cartoonic Robot Chicken humor, and Regular Show with it's slacker not so regular mis-adventures humor. Flapjack also with it's funny face humor.
So while cartoons and anime both have their good sides, I just plain enjoy anime humor over cartoon humor. I just find anime always tend to have jokes that are new and fresh most of the time. It also seems that anime aren't scared to break a few barriers when it comes to comedy. While it does tend to have some jokes that happen all the time (the typical dude falling in a girls chest joke), it mixes it up fairly enough that it's fresh. If you compare School Rumble to GTO (both school comedies) you'd get 2 different kind of humors in one set.
Though if were talking about action cartoons like the examples you gave, then I'm lost. I only watch comedic anime and cartoons, so I'm not a specialist when it comes to the action parts in both anime and cartoons. Though I will say that I enjoy watching action anime over cartoon action. Can I back up why I think this, no. I just prefer it.
/my opinion
Ragnarok4750
Banned
Recent. That's from the 90s.
Also not as cute as this girl:
I think I have seen porn of this "girl". Too bad there's no one who could actually pull off such a ruse IRL.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Guess you have never been to Thailand before eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKMWC9ow22U
Hell even here in Japan its been in the culture for a long time with Kabuki for example. With younger people these days there seems to be some sort of trend for guys dressing as girls. Forgot what they call it though, metropolis did an article on it I think.
Oh man, The Maxx and The Head. Those are lost pockets of my childhood right there. I wish I could get that stuff on blu-ray, I'd buy that.
The anime was well done, but the manga is just plain better in its presentation.
Ragnarok4750
Banned
Yeah there's ones like that, but you can tell they have to put in a ton of work and surgery to even get to that level. Yet anime traps are just born that way.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
They never made it onto blu-ray? Since back in the US I swore I saw like liquid TV blu-ray and would have figured that they would have made the Maxx / Spawn stuff too.
airmangataosenai
Member
I wouldn't really praise Korra as highly as you, and at least you acknowledge Madoka.
But there have been plenty of high quality anime over the past few years, even this season has Watamote and Silver Spoon.
The only American animation currently running which I truly love is Adventure Time.
But there have been plenty of high quality anime over the past few years, even this season has Watamote and Silver Spoon.
The only American animation currently running which I truly love is Adventure Time.
Doctor Decimate
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You're a bad person
Shouta
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Styles are more generic now but they were much more varied in the past. Check out the older stuff if the triangle face is bothering you so much. Plus the variety of content that is covered is far wider than what it is now, IMO.
Also, American cartoons have their own running gags and stuff. It's usually a little more well-hidden but it's there.
Vampire On Titus
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