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Bayonetta 2 off to a slow start in Japan [Update: Week 2 sales]
- Thread starter SomewhatGroovy
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You don't understand how this works.
What you are talking about is bonuses, not revenue. Development studios get them when they made a game that sold above expactations, for example Retro Studios got bonuses from Nintendo when DKCR sold 5 million copies.
But PG never developed a game which sold above expactations, be it Bayonetta 1 or whatever, so I don't see where they somehow could have made better money elsewhere, even with Bayonetta 2 on PS4/XB1, as it wouldn't have sold enough there, as well. In the end this was the best solution, PG can't be picky when it comes to choosing which publisher they want to work with and Nintendo lending them a hand is a very good solution. Because the money will be the same and with Nintendo, they get lots of time to finish their games.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Bayonetta (PS3) - 138,430 copies (4 days) PS3 : 3,750,624 , AR = 3.69%
Bayonetta (360) - 66,211 copies (4 days) 360 : 1,154,538 , AR = 5.73%
Bayonetta 1 + 2 (Wii U) - 42,398 copies (9 days) WiiU : 1,940,237 , AR = 2.19%
The franchise is dead. I don't see SEGA willing to make another one and highly doubt Sony/MS would want to especially when they don't own the IP. Maybe Nintendo will fund another one.
Let's not try to move the goalposts, the game is just not selling in Japan. I love Bayonetta, but there are many players who are not interested, much less because of what Bayonetta represents (but that's another topic). Adding to the fact that Japan is now more mobile oriented, here we see the results of niche game + Wii U + Japan market.
It's now time for everyone else to save the game! Specially America, but I'm not holding my breath, they let Pacific Rim die(which is the Bayonetta of movies), so I'm just gonna do my part and enjoy Bayonetta.
It's now time for everyone else to save the game! Specially America, but I'm not holding my breath, they let Pacific Rim die(which is the Bayonetta of movies), so I'm just gonna do my part and enjoy Bayonetta.
CrunchyFrog
Member
You know what, the video game industry needs an HBO style publisher that's willing to greenlight larger more ambitious projects that might not necessarily grant the best ROI but are creative endeavors that justify their own existence. Regardless of sales I'm glad a title like this was made under these circumstances, period, as it bodes well for the consideration of the art.
Just like everyone did with the first Bayonetta...
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Do Nintendo published games tend to get overshipped and then bargain binned in the US?
In Europe it seems the opposite it true; if it's a niche title once that shipments sold its almost impossible to find a copy.
In Europe it seems the opposite it true; if it's a niche title once that shipments sold its almost impossible to find a copy.
ninjablade
Banned
LOL time for platinum to go with a art style, character and setting that actually has a chance of selling great WW. think of assassins style in medieval japan, with platinum gameplay on ps4, i'm not saying it will be guaranteed to be successful but at least it has a chance. you would think after trying wacky art styles and failing many times they would try something different, although scalebound actually has a chance, cause it doesn't look like your typical platinum game.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Only ones I can ever recall binned were Other M (lol) and Sin and Punishment 2.
NumberThree
Member
Why? They're still getting to make their crazy games, why would they need to do something different to please a wider audience?
Snarfington
Member
heartbreakingNot sure if joking. Why would this ever happen?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
From the little I saw, it looks like your typical game though.
Platinum are Platinum for more than gameplay, the enemy designs in Bayonetta 2 are one of its strong points.
You'd rather have a knight fighting dragons???
Based on what exactly? You mean because Bayo 2 bombed, the audience is now aware of character action games, so when a third party makes one, it's going to sell now, but it wouldn't have before Bayo 2? Not only is that completely unproven, it's also baseless and illogical.
Yes, I'm saying it's not doing that, because there's no evidence it's having that affect at all. Firstly, these games are bombing, so the audience doesn't exist there, and it isn't being fostered. Secondly, it's not going to impact what third parties are doing anyway.
The genre is pretty much dead anyway, but if/when DMC6 and NG4 come out, they're not going to be on the Wii U anyway, and they wouldn't be if Bayo 2 sold a million. Third parties have already clocked out on franchises far bigger that would easily sell better than those games.
No, there's no evidence for the audience growing at all. Bayo 2 outselling W101 isn't evidence. Bayonetta is frequently cited as the best character action game ever, it has a reputation, W101 came from nowhere.
RandyBobandy
Banned
Lol why would they touch it either? It's poison in sales
Because at some point, no publisher will invest if they lose money every time.
Platinum had already shopped Bayonetta 2 around during its production, nobody wanted it except Nintendo. Nobody is going to fund Bayonetta 3.
The franchise is dead (again), be glad we got a second one to go out with a bang on.
You don't know that. Things change. Maybe MS would want it now given Ryse 2 is canned.
ninjablade
Banned
because they won't last long if there games keep on failing in sales and not making money for there publishers.
Yes i would. i can see a game where a knight fights a dragon selling great, and they been doing well.
flatearthpandas
Member
That is literally the first thing I've heard that has made me want to cancel my Bayonetta 2 pre-order. Not joking. I'm not going to and don't mean only to shit on Pacific Rim, but goddamn, associations can be really powerful.
Sony have God of War 4 and Bloodborne, there's no chance.
NumberThree
Member
At that point the question is, do they want to keep making games if they can't make the games they want to?
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
I don't understand how this game does not appeal to a Japanese audience?
What is going on in Japan these days? It honestly scares me.
What is going on in Japan these days? It honestly scares me.
And? What would have been the difference if MS took it?
Or are you still going on with this nonsense?
...huh? Comparing a game with pacific rim makes you not want to buy it?
Firstly, it's only his opinion that the two are similar. They are vastly different apart from the fact that they both have niche appeal. Secondly, you're letting this one throwaway connect your opinion that deviates from the primary reactions to the movie (most people who I've seen it enjoyed it).
It's not cute enough, basically.
Spieler Eins
Member
It does, but the Wii U doesn't.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I don't even know what you're talking about.
That post just means that just because MS didn't want Bayo 2, doesn't mean they don't want Bayo 3. Publishers needs change based on their line up, and MS had a high profile character action game in development when Bayo 2 would have been pitched, making it a less likely title to pick up, but now they've cancelled Ryse 2, meaning they might be more interested in something along those lines.
But yes, Bayo 2 would have sold better on XBO, not in Japan though, obviously.
It's not a shitty handheld game with little girls? It's pretty easy to see what appeals to them and what doesn't. We like to rag on our fellow Americans for never supporting games like this and yet the Japanese are many times worse.
You must not follow japanese sales very much. Back in 2009-2010, any good 360 game could have pulled off "respectable"* numbers even in Japan. It had an active, sizable userbase. Which meant 100k+ openings to a few JRPG's and 50-60k+ openings for games like Bayonetta 1. Since than, that userbase obviously collapsed, and of course its presence is questionable with Wii U in the first place.
*Respectable in today's terms, of course.
Yes because the first one was a runaway success on the PS3 which had a far bigger install base.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Nah, Japan's handheld/mobile preference is certainly a large contributing factor in most console games' sales nowadays, including this one.
I doubt this game would have done much (if any) better on PS4.
ninjablade
Banned
there making scalebound, which i believe will be there best selling game by far, due to having a art style/setting that can appeal to the masses.
Spieler Eins
Member
Because the Wii U is even less desirable than a 360 in Japan? Not to mention that its current user base is treated poorly, because of never ending droughts and poor attempts at cashing in on them (Wii Sports HD, milking ROM Remix, etc). One good game every 4-6 months (at a ridiculous price point nonetheless) isn't gonna create a healthy platform.
Not really.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=873929
SwiftDeath
Member
shinra-bansho
Member
It's only nine days. Give it another nine and it will be at 90K.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Consoles are dead in Japan. Sad truth
The days of console games selling well are long gone in Japan.
The days of console games selling well are long gone in Japan.
CosmicQueso
Member
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YMMV, but both are like entertainment first, seriousness is last.
EDIT: Also giant stuff attacking more stuff.
