ninjablade
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it's from the digital foundry faceoff.
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Bayonetta 2 off to a slow start in Japan [Update: Week 2 sales]
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it's from the digital foundry faceoff.
Gotdatmoney
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I think the idea that posters are putting forth is that 2 days of sales are enough to call it a bomb if you follow Japanese sales. Anyway, 3 days from now you will have your confirmed bomb so this discussion need not continue any more.
Three? FF3 was a PS2 game published by Tecmo. 4 was Wii and published by Nintendo, and the upcoming one is Wii U, published by Nintendo.
But that was really the point, Nintendo would only want to pay for the IP if they were very confident they would want future installments, if it's not a sure fire thing, it makes sense to have a relationship with the IP owner and evaluate it on a per-game basis.
Exclusive rights to the entire franchise, in perpetuity, would be a pointless thing for Nintendo to acquire in favor of the IP.
well for one what's a failure for sega may not have been for everyone else. look at what sega puts out now. pretty sure they had to double down on only their most popular franchises because of money trouble. also Nintendo sells hardware so their sales expectations could have been lower yet still acceptable because it diversifies their platform's software library.
Zenaku
Member
For what it's worth, Bayonetta 1+2 ranked at top of the eShop sale charts between the 15th and 21st, selling more in its 2 days than any other full or small digital game.
It's also top of the all-time rankings, with a GBA Castlevania in second place, and the new FFV in 3rd. EDIT: Talking about star rankings here, btw, not sales
It's also top of the all-time rankings, with a GBA Castlevania in second place, and the new FFV in 3rd. EDIT: Talking about star rankings here, btw, not sales
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Another reason why this thread is still a thing is concern trolls. Poor Nintendo funded this game and probably won't make a profit on it! Woe is me! Who will think of the chil... er nintendo?
poorlonelycomputer
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Yeah I think it's funny that some people actually think it being on ps4 and xb1 (!!!!!) would have made a difference.
Now if it bombs in the us, then you'll have a point.
And by if I mean when :-(
Projectjustice
Banned
This is another thing thats different in todays market compared to 5 years ago. Which no one is adjusting their 360 bayo 1 measure sticks around. Digital downloads games are way more popular today. I wonder if theres anyone reporting these numbers?
We will see then. Also dont forget Digital download sales!
I was counting the remake of the second game.
Well yeah but for Bayo 3 to be a PS4/XB1 game it would require not only Sega to be interested in another game but Nintendo to not be interested. It's also possible that they own the assets to whatever games they produce; Goldeneye would be good precedence there.
It would be de facto exclusivity.
Sega are done, they're never making Bayo 3 for any platform, I imagine no one will, but it won't be them if anyone does.
You're missing the FF2 remake.
Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse (Wii) 2008
Fatal Frame: Deep Crimson Butterfly (Wii) 2012
Fatal Frame: Oracle of the Sodden Raven (Wii U) 2014
Spirit Camera: The Cursed Memoir (3DS) 2012
ShinMaruku
Member
Sega does not have a money problem now being one of the biggest publishers just due to them spending their money smarter and arcades working and patchiko (Their real bread and butter with their Yak buddies) their business is booming.
The problem with Sega is they need to rebuild their western wing.
sega intentionally gutted their us side of business in 2012 when they moved forward with their current direction.
confusingly, they also purchased atlus, who does a lot of business in the west and deals with localizing games only for the us market.
Punished_Snake
Member
Some people consider their opinions as facts, which is moronic. that's why I clarified "IMO".
Natureboy99
Banned
This. 3rd party exclusives on Nintendo consoles is equal to throwing money off a bridge.
Quotation marks imply a derisive, sarcastic contempt towards port beggars' capacity to properly pull off stealthy.
Only time when we need to be 'concerned' is when the main talent leaves Platinum for 'greener pastures'
well in Japan they're pretty much the top dev outside Nintendo themselves. They'll continue to get work because their games are critically a success and seemingly they're able to put out games quickly and to a deadline with incredible quality which is most definitely a problem in Japan (I'm an expert).
Basketball
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They should have made her a 1000 year old witch
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Aquamarine
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I always find it funny when people use this as an excuse.
I've seen download sales like Nintendo eShop / PSN stuff first-hand, and I can tell you right now that it never seems to be all that significant a factor for the good majority of retail titles.
I guarantee you that Bayonetta 2 is going to realise the vast majority of its sales at retail.
And see this:
Youkai Watch 2 had 583,459 sales at retail...but only 19,355 download sales.
That's a good example of their irrelevance.
ShinMaruku
Member
Perhaps Atlus spends their money better with localizing their games. Would take times to fix their approach.
finalgamer
Member
More like Japan off to a slow start on Bayonetta 2. How is the word of mouth? Where the hardcore Nintendo Japanese fanboys at?
Which is exactly what Nintendo is trying to fix by getting these exclusive games.
It's not a third party game, and the legal publishing details of a game aren't relevant to the audience anyway. No one cares that MonHun isn't published by Nintendo. The owners 'only buy Nintendo games' thing just isn't true. People should keep looking for the real reason games perform as they do.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
How endearing that you are 'concerned' about Nintendo "throwing money off a bridge". Poor Nintendo they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Akhe
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So much this.
- Sony/Microsoft: Hey guys, we have several exclusives just for you!!
- People: Fucking great!!
- Nintendo: Hey guys, we have several exclusives just for you
- People: Fuck you, Nintendo!! Moneyhat tsk tsk smh
Man, I will never understand....seriously.
finalgamer
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Those guys are such losers. Nintendo would have to give them $300 to buy a Wii U with a copy of Bayonetta 2 just for them to shut the hell up. Maybe back in the days when Nintendo wiped their ass with $100 dollar bills they'd do this. "Shiiit. What kinda broke cardboard box these people livin out of?"
How hard is it too understand that people get pissed off when the next entry in a franchise ends up on a completely different console? Didn't you see the shit hit the fan when MS made it look like the new Tomb Raider games was exclusive to Xbox? PC and Sony fans were furious.
well that's more than what it sold on PS4
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yeah, like Monster Hun-
oh wait
like Yokai wa-
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it's just WiiU being "killer"
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yeah, like Monster Hun-
oh wait
like Yokai wa-
oh wait
it's just WiiU being "killer"
When the alternative is no Bayonetta at all, pretty hard to understand honestly.
Akhe
Member
I did and PC and SONY fans were so stupid.
But when it is related to Nintendo, is take it to another level.
The alternative meant no Bayonetta at all, so, it is pretty hard for me to understand the delicious tears.
frankie_baby
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Considering it's a new generation if people wanted it they'd have to buy a new console anyway, if they love bayonetta that much then Wii U should have been their only choice
Not everyone has the luxury of buying a console based on a game or two. Lots of people see it as an investment for a generation, and if they'd only had a PS3 or a 360, the vast majority of the franchises they're used to are either not on Wii U, or pale in comparison on it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
okay then. What WW sales would it need to achieve for it not to be a bomb? Go on tell us.
QuixoticNeutral
Member
People seem to forget that all things being equal, it takes a significant inducement to purchase digitally instead of retail. On Steam, that inducement is the inculcated expectation of swift and dramatic reductions in price. On occasion, a game like Animal Crossing sells above the mean proportion of digital copies because it's expressly designed as a hop-in, hop-out persistent "second game" you would want to have on your system at all times. Bayonetta 2, by all appearances, is not that kind of game.
I would think there is a small (and going by The Wonderful 101, perhaps infinitesimal) coterie of Nintendo loyalists who played Viewitful Joe on the GameCube (~275k worldwide, if I'm not mistaken) and Okami on the Wii (~300k or so, I think, with a 24k first week in Japan), and can't wait for Bayonetta to finally arrive on the system where she belongs. That niche has always been tiny and maybe even comparable to the one clamouring for Mother 3; who knows. In any case, Nintendo knows what scale of numbers they're staring down and it would be reasonable to surmise they've forecasted accordingly around expectations in the 200-300k range.
My point is that our precedent for expectations should not be Bayonetta on the 360 and PS3. Our precedent is the Okami port on the Wii: precisely a game that a) appealed to players with at least a faint idea of who Clover and Kamiya were or the critical acclaim their work received, and b) didn't play the game on the near-ubiquitous PS2. This demographic is not one that scales up or down with the casual mass market that the Wii won over and the Wii U lost, so I'd expect it to be fairly stable. 300k was always a reasonable global ceiling for Bayonetta 2, and even accounting for the Wii U's meagre install base, it's not ludicrously out of reach.
frankie_baby
Member
Then they could play different franchises, not like the Wii U isn't short of top quality titles, whereas it could be argued other systems are
It's pointlessly subjective to argue which platforms have the most 'top quality' games. The point is some people would like Bayonetta 2, but still want one of the other consoles more, which is why they're pissed off. It doesn't matter what's logical, or what any individual thinks is the best platform, it's not going to impact port begging or people shitting on Nintendo in YT comments and whatnot.
Bayonetta 2 ended up on a Nintendo console, because Sony and/or MS had no interest in the game. So those pissed off people should direct their anger towards Sony and/or MS. Why do people keep forgetting that Bayonetta 2 would've been dead and buried (and it was for a while) without Nintendo funding the game. So yeah, it is very hard to understand that people keep getting pissed off at Nintendo.
Your Nintendo persecution complex is moving the goal posts.
theprodigy
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Akhe
Member
Back in the day when I wanted to play Alex Kidd, what should I do? Buy a Master System. Mario? NES and then SNES. Sonic? Mega Drive.
It's not hard to understand, it's just stupid. Nintendo fans still furious and waiting for that FF7 on N64. Get over it.
Shadowlink
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Are people still salty about Bayonetta 2 being exclusive on the Wii U? Do they tend to forget that the game wouldn't exist without Nintendo?
What is your point? People shouldn't be irritated because the paralysis of choice has always existed?
It's difficult to put your head in that of someone who can't have more than one platform, and it's easy to be angered by the naivety dotted throughout the internet, but it's never going away. People have different expectations when it comes to games that are established on rival systems, it's not normal to know the phrase 'first party', or 'IP', most people don't know, or care to know the details as to how and why a sequel to a game they played on their 360 isn't on their XBO.
i can understand being upset that a game that was previously on one system is now on another, like tomb raider's exclusivity with microsoft. i don't agree with that being a reason why i should be upset, but i can understand why someone would be.
but in bayonetta's case? i can't understand these people at all. it's not a difference between getting it on one system that you actually love and one you actually don't. it's a difference between getting the game and not ever having it ever. if they're a fan like they claim to be, to the point where they're shouting at platinum and kamiya, then they should fucking be adults and buy the fucking game they claim they're a fucking fan of. christ.
It's not buying the game though, is it? It's buying the platform.
I'm sure most Bayonetta fans think $50 is very reasonable for a Bayonetta 2, but that plus the cost of a Wii U is considerably more, and a tougher value preposition.
I liked Bayonetta a lot, but I wouldn't have bought a Wii U for a sequel. Luckily I did for a Zelda, so I just have to buy the game, but even as someone who's played the first one through half a dozen times, and would consider themselves a fan, I wouldn't have bought a console for it. Of course I always wouldn't have bitched to Platinum about it either, but that's just a question of how people value the use of social media.
Exactly...and especially in America, where the average person has debt, the whole "$299 is a life long investment" line just has no weight with me anymore. I pay that much for my family's car insurance each month...