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Being a lesbian is a bannable offense on XBL

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sneaky77

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plagiarize said:
sneaky, click the link Elvis posted back on the last page. expressions on sexual orientation ARE banned on Xbox Live currently.

yes, that backs what I said.. her being gay had nothing to do with the suspension. There being gay movies on xbox marketplace has nothing to do with any of it either. She got suspended cause she expressed sexual orientation in her profile. If it had said she was straight, she would have gotten the same thing as proven last night.
 

sugaki

I live my life one quarter-mile at a time
Flyguy said:
I imagine this won't sit well with the gaymers on gaf, of which there are legion. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

In any thread or blog post pertaining to gays, this blurb always appears at least once. Always gives me a chuckle.
 

fernoca

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sneaky77 said:
But thats not why she got banned...
sneaky77 said:
her being gay had nothing to do with the suspension, there is no ban on everything gay on live like some people had said
I'm not saying that Microsoft is banning everything gay, but at the same time that if they are trying to "care for the children", then why do it in some thing and not in others..She got "banned" because she said she was lesbian on her profile, which probably caused some people to report her gamertag, get it "investigated" and proceed to the banning. She called, and she was told the same reason, that there were complaints against her profile.
As she said:
My account was suspended and xbox live did nothing to solve this, but instead said others found it offensive.
Why it should be "offensive" for a person to say "Hi' I'm gay"..in some low res Arial type, with gray background...but is not "offensive" the high-res Logo..ehr..logo.., and full color gay-themed pics in their Marketplace section; which descriptions about dating and relationships?

It can be accessed by the same people that find those profiles "offensive", as I said..even easier.

Is just a double-edged sword...I guess..
 
plagiarize said:
i know Microsoft can make their own rules, but i think it's pretty backwards that sexual orientation is a taboo topic. as i always say, there is no 'Freedom from Being Offended' only 'Freedom of Speech'.
Well, to a point. Let's not kid ourselves, though. There is stuff that's probably not appropriate for an all ages gaming community. If I state that it's ridiculous to ban people for stating a sexual preference in their gamertag, I'm not suggesting that it's okay for her to describe in graphic detail her latest sexual exploits. But just because you'd like to spare those who might be offended by that isn't an excuse to ban any and all discussion. Common sense can be applied to determining what is an isn't appropriate.
 

Yagharek

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Steve Youngblood said:
Well, to a point. Let's not kid ourselves, though. There is stuff that's probably not appropriate for an all ages gaming community.


The all-ages community you alude to seems more than happy to let 11 year old children play mature games like Halo, CoD and Gears. Based on the language and violence they would be exposed to in those lovely communities, it's a bit rich to cry foul over text in a bio.
 
RandomVince said:
The all-ages community you alude to seems more than happy to let 11 year old children play mature games like Halo, CoD and Gears. Based on the language and violence they would be exposed to in those lovely communities, it's a bit rich to cry foul over text in a bio.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. However, the counter to that is that if I were a parent, I probably wouldn't let my little angel be playing the games you mentioned. Furthermore, it's just difficult to censor stuff that's going on in voice chat. Bios, however, are much, much easier.

And again, I'm just drawing a distinction between something that is clearly not offensive (stating sexual orientation) vs. what COULD be deemed as offensive and inappropriate. Would I personally be offended if ABC started airing pornography during prime time? No. However, that doesn't mean that I think they SHOULD. That's all I'm saying.
 
Aske said:
I wouldn't say calling hateful people 'misinformed' is simply optimistic. To me, it sweeps the problem under the rug and fails to acknowledge the roots of true prejudice; as well as the extremes of innate human preference.

Certainly some people will dislike ethnic minorities, gay people or 10 year old British kids simply because they've been fed lies by their parents or peers and have never been disabused of their warped perspectives by actually meeting an Asian, a lesbian or Liverpudlian pre-teen. But plenty of prejudice comes from real negative experiences and a carelessness about sweeping generalisations. To not care about lumping every member of a group in with a few bad apples is callous, but it's not ignorant. Plenty of people know that not all people who are psychologically inclined to have sex with kids actually molest children. Plenty of people know that many of those who voted Republican in the last election aren't warmongering religious extremists, hell-bent on destroying all facets of liberal thought. But many dislike these groups in their totality because they're associated with facets of existence that they find abhorrent.

By the same token, to dislike gay people because one believes that his chosen god has dubbed homosexuality a sin may be several shades of retarded, but it's faith, not ignorance. To dislike a group of people because you find their voices grating and offensive is a shame, but it's not ignorance.

There are plenty of life philosophies out there which aren't necessarily hate-ridden evils, and aren't necessarily sad products of misinformation, but which still embody dislike or hatred for various collectives of humanity. The important thing is not to chalk them all up to simple extremes like 'evil' or 'ignorance' as a matter of course. To do so is to fall subject to the same kind of prejudices that have perturbed you in the first place.

Good show. I agree with you and I do believe everything you've said just now. But there is also a matter of standing behind one's convictions in light of unjust actions against a group. Though I don't believe in the religious right's perspective, I also think they have a right to their "truth" and to express in a constructive manner. However, the difference with this particular incident is that an individual was targeted for being herself (which in no way harmed other people) and punished for that expression. There is something inherently unjust about a group of people who are allowed to exist without open criticism (heterosexuals, white people, sometimes christians) and who in turn use their privileged position to persecute others. They are the ones not abiding by everything you've laid out, either for mere ignorance (i.e. the inability to conceive of that group or individual's person experience) or of malice.

"Ignorance" in this case refers not to one's intellectual grasp of a concept, but rather one's inability to emotionally sympathize/empathize with another human being unlike him or herself. More than anything else this is what I mean when I call people who help perpetrate such acts (either directly or indirectly) as ignorant.
 

Yagharek

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Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. However, the counter to that is that if I were a parent, I probably wouldn't let my little angel be playing the games you mentioned. Furthermore, it's just difficult to censor stuff that's going on in voice chat. Bios, however, are much, much easier.

And again, I'm just drawing a distinction between something that is clearly not offensive (stating sexual orientation) vs. what COULD be deemed as offensive and inappropriate. Would I personally be offended if ABC started airing pornography during prime time? No. However, that doesn't mean that I think they SHOULD. That's all I'm saying.

Well I can't argue with that. I assumed that is what 'family settings' or whatever the online group is that is supposed to match you with similar people was for. I'm pretty sure we both agree with each other here.

What would be interesting would be to see what games the woman in question was playing when this so called "offensiveness" happened.
 

fernoca

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billy.sea said:
Is anyone kind enough to risk their XBL account by saying 'I am straight', and see if Microsoft will react to it?
Done and done..well, kinda..
JonathanEX did, but wrote "I'm Hetrosexual" (with the typo and everything :p) and someone else reported him (from GAF it seems) to see Microsoft's reaction.

Though we don't know if it was because it deserved actual suspension, or because of the "banning lesbian profile" news spreading around..

They are going to try with "I'm a happily married guy" next..
 

NaviLink

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Steve Youngblood said:
So what you're saying is that if it's not game related, it doesn't belong in your profile? Excellent point.
Are you ironic or serious ? I'm not saying to ban everything, but sensible subjects like sexual orientation or religion or politics have nothing to do on Xbox Live. But putting what your favorite games are, or a personal interest (let's say for example "I love East Coast Hip-Hop"), there's nothing wrong with that.

And about the politics, I know there were themes and pictures during the presidential campaign, but I thought it really had nothing to do on Xbox Live. I'm not American, so maybe I don't fully realize the scale of an election like this, but I don't care if you vote Democrat or Republican : I just want to play games. The Obama ads on Burnout Paradise are a different thing, because they're ads. I didn't care about them, but it was a smart move to gain the attention of players.

I just saw the reaction of Microsoft, they are working on a way to let people express their sexual orientation. I think it's wrong in the Xbox Live environment. Once again, this isn't the place to talk or display your sexual orientation.

And, to go further, I think associating your gaming habit and your sexual orientation has no point. It's not because you're heterosexual or gay or lesbian you like to play video games, you play them because you like it and find them fun.
 
NaviLink said:
Are you ironic or serious ? I'm not saying to ban everything, but sensible subjects like sexual orientation or religion or politics have nothing to do on Xbox Live. But putting what your favorite games are, or a personal interest (let's say for example "I love East Coast Hip-Hop"), there's nothing wrong with that.

And about the politics, I know there were themes and pictures during the presidential campaign, but I thought it really had nothing to do on Xbox Live. I'm not American, so maybe I don't fully realize the scale of an election like this, but I don't care if you vote Democrat or Republican : I just want to play games. The Obama ads on Burnout Paradise are a different thing, because they're ads. I didn't care about them, but it was a smart move to gain the attention of players.

I just saw the reaction of Microsoft, they are working on a way to let people express their sexual orientation. I think it's wrong in the Xbox Live environment. Once again, this isn't the place to talk or display your sexual orientation.

And, to go further, I think associating your gaming habit and your sexual orientation has no point. It's not because you're heterosexual or gay or lesbian you like to play video games, you play them because you like it and find them fun.

I don't like hiphop or the east coast. Get off my gaming service plz. It's not a place for you to express your inferior music taste and living situation.
 
NaviLink said:
Are you ironic or serious ? I'm not saying to ban everything, but sensible subjects like sexual orientation or religion or politics have nothing to do on Xbox Live. But putting what your favorite games are, or a personal interest (let's say for example "I love East Coast Hip-Hop"), there's nothing wrong with that.
I would ask you the same thing. If you're arguing that information in your gamertag need only be limited to games, then what relevance is liking East Coast Hip Hop, and why does it get a pass as acceptable by your criterion? Because it's a personal interest? So is an interest in girls.

Try again.
 

woodypop

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sugaki said:
In any thread or blog post pertaining to gays, this blurb ("Not that there's anything wrong with that") always appears at least once. Always gives me a chuckle.
I think the first time I heard that phrase used in this manner was on Seinfeld. Was that where it was popularized?
 
NaviLink said:
And, to go further, I think associating your gaming habit and your sexual orientation has no point. It's not because you're heterosexual or gay or lesbian you like to play video games, you play them because you like it and find them fun.

This is irrelevant and everyone who's brought this point before are ignoring the real issue here. Stating your sexual orientation and nothing more should not be a bannable offense. There are thousands of profiles on XBL that say things that aren't necessarily important or may not pertain to video games, but nobody cries foul when it comes to those. Why give someone the ability to write about themselves, but then say that everything has to be related to video games?

Regardless of whether or not you think she was being ostentatious by posting her orientation, you can't honestly believe that simply stating that is worthy of a ban. And I honestly question whether some of the people defending Microsoft in the thread would do so if the person in question was someone who simply posted "I'm a 24 year old man who loves women" in his profile.
 
N-Bomb said:
How about putting 'member of al qaeda' or 'negroes are animals' or 'the holocaust is a lie' in your profile? Should you be banned for that?

That said, who the hell gives a crap. Don't people have a tanking economy or something else important to deal with? What a non-story. Yeesh.

Those types of people are on Xboxlive 24/7, and they haven't been banned because they make up far too much of their paying customers. So whenever I feel the need to visit the 1950's, I go to xboxlive: the modern day kkk playground.

Tamanon said:
To be fair, another reason to put "I'm a lesbian" on there would be to cut down on the guys hitting on her because she's a female on Xbox Live.

How DARE you use COMMON SENSE! Get OUT!!

godhandiscen said:
I am actually seeing people defending Microsoft for this. I don't know what is worse, this as a result of fanboyism, or this as a result of actual beliefs?

There are fanboys, shills and virals that will do damage control, so that's to be expected.

MS is useless as usual. They will never do anything that positively contributes to anything, because that's not how MS became M$. Money talks, bullshit walks. They should just rename XboxLive to KKKboxLive since VC there is like a propaganda/recruiting service for that portion of society. I don't see MS protecting children from that bullshit.

Flynn said:
"Online experience may change during online play."

That's the cop out that gaming has used to cover their asses when it comes to online moderation. But it seems, to me, to be protecting bigots more than it protects people that want to go online and have fun without being assaulted by hate.

It's also a great way to totally do an end-run around games ratings.

Online play immediately makes every game worse than an M. That's the reality. But the reality would be way too damaging to business to ever admit to.

QFT

Dragona Akehi said:
Better question: why does that matter at all?

If hot = shrine in her name/endless sexual harassment. If not = banning. What a wonderful world.

JonathanEx said:
*fanfare*

That's right folks! Ending your profile with the simple sentence of just "Hetrosexual." lead to a suspension! Woo hoo! I will check my Xbox to find out how long.


So, a few things to say.

- Yes, it does go either way. They will both straight and gays
- It doesn't matter how she wrote that she was a lesbian, by stating she was at all, that's what was offensive
- I did something very silly but think it's worth it to prove a point

Or it means xbots caught wind of your ploy and banned you as a form of damage control.

Call me when they ban all the GT's with pro-hetero names. Then the TOS will truly go both ways...oh, my bad...going both ways is sexual, and we can't have the TOS tell us how Bi it is, so we better ban the TOS before someone in racist/misogynist/murderer land gets offended, because those poor things need protection.

Or maybe it's because you used the word heterosexual. She used lesbian, not homosexual. You should have tried something like "straight" or "swinger."
 

NaviLink

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Steve Youngblood said:
I would ask you the same thing. If you're arguing that information in your gamertag need only be limited to games, then what relevance is liking East Coast Hip Hop, and why does it get a pass as acceptable by your criterion? Because it's a personal interest? So is an interest in girls.
I'm not saying gamertag or profile has to be limited only to games. The hip hop thing was, again, just an example. When I say personal interests, it's very common things : I like music, cinema, art, whatever. Put what you want, as long as it doesn't attract the attention of dumb players. We know there is that kind of people, when they see on your profile or gamertag that you are gay for example, they're gonna insult you. This is wrong of course, but what's the simplest thing : hope that dumb people change overnight, or not bring up the fact that you're gay ? Unfortunately, the second answer is the quickest. To prevent those dumb people that won't change insulting you.

Interest in girls or guys or both ? What has your sexual orientation to do with a gaming service ? I think sensible subjects have nothing to do on gaming networks. I don't care if you like blondes or brunettes or tall guys, whathever your sexual orientation is. There are better suited places for discussing that kind of thing, that's all.

starchild excalibur said:
This is irrelevant and everyone who's brought this point before are ignoring the real issue here. Stating your sexual orientation and nothing more should not be a bannable offense. There are thousands of profiles on XBL that say things that aren't necessarily important or may not pertain to video games, but nobody cries foul when it comes to those. Why give someone the ability to write about themselves, but then say that everything has to be related to video games?
I don't think it's irrelevant, but I agree, it's not exactly the issue at hand.

I don't think it's a bannable offense, I've said it already : it's a bit harsch for the girl, and the people who kept bugging her aren't sanctionned and that is wrong. And, again, I don't think it should be limited to video games. I agree with you, there is a personal space where you can write a littte about yourself, but in that space, given that this is a gaming network, why bring up your sexual orientation, or another sensible subject that we all know are going to attract people for bad reasons ?

starchild excalibur said:
Regardless of whether or not you think she was being ostentatious by posting her orientation, you can't honestly believe that simply stating that is worthy of a ban. And I honestly question whether some of the people defending Microsoft in the thread would do so if the person in question was someone who simply posted "I'm a 24 year old man who loves women" in his profile.
If Ms stick to their policy, he should face the same thing than the banned (or suspended) lesbian girl, because he's kinda stating his sexual orientation. Now, in reality ? I agree with you, they'll probably do nothing in that case.

EDIT : well, Ms answered about the case, in a reasonnable way it seems.
 
I thought this thread was going to have something to do with the fact that you can make the controller on the other end of a video chat vibrate.

Edit: 16 pages? Wow. That is probably more pages than actual Lesbians on xbox live.
 
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