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Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Erm....Once you look past the young girls Atelier has a lot to offer in terms of depth.
So many judgments based off appearances in this thread. Wow I thought gamers were better than that.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Agarest is worst, but it's tactic style gameplay, the story involves basically making one of the girls from that story arc fall in love with you,and thus the silly events and such that goes with that, after you finish that story arc a wedding takes place. It time skips forward and you play as the son of who ever you got with which changes your appearance as well. I think it had some effects with skills carrying over too.
The altier series is about doing task for people and meeting deadlines as you are a shop keeper and you are using the task given to you to become better. Along the way you go out and explore the world and gather alchemy ingredients and the combat is more traditional style jrpg combat. There are light pokes here and there towards some more light perversion but it's never really super bad. The guy characters are pretty much made for girls to enjoy as well.
Actually I'd argue the art STYLE got loads better, but what it was DEPICTING got worse. I imagine if you had some of the older games (Iris mainly) put through that style without dramatic character alterations like dropping their ages by 4-6 years it'd be generally considered an improvement overall with the old artstyle's main appeal being nostalgia.
And I'd definitely defend Falcom as legitimately being quality, but not Neptunia. Gust seems sort of in between, I think part of the appeal with Atelier at least is that it's doing something unique (focusing on item creation and running a business or whatever) that usually isn't tackled with other RPGs. Well, I guess Neptunia's trying for parody or something, but it seems the second worst kind of parody, worst going to the Scary Movie-type garbage.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I really hope you are not being serious. No one that would hold a legit discussion with you about anything in general wouldn't give a crap that your avatar is what it is what it is right now.
Boss Man
Member
Me too.
electroplankton
Banned
I played the first and the second Atelier on PS3. They're fairly nice RPGs, as they were on PS2 (handheld episodes, instead, are too simplistic and pretty crappy). But nothing to scream about, the same formula quite similar in each entry, and many shortcomings fans simply don't care... I wonder why.
Yeah, I was talking about that; the art style improved, subjects depicted worsened.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I don't know how to respond to that with out coming across as an insult of some sort but, if you REALLY do feel that way. Seek help instead of insulting people that clearly don't express those feelings about the subject mater.
Think of it less of a jRPG and more of a simulation/vn game with rpg stuff added too itAfter reading the OP I kinda want to try one of these games
...Oh god, please don't report me to the authorities
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
*Shrug* What can I say then?
If they don't care then that's all there is to it.
Favorite games don't always have to the best, or even especially good.
Its a cute alien rolled up in a futon. Whats wrong with that avatar?
Moral Panic
Member
She's an oversexualised prepubescent girl.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Showing off way too much leg imo
electroplankton
Banned
That's why I think the appeal of the game is in their female characters. In Japan, the series saw a boost on PS3, just when designers start to put really young girls with short dresses. Probably a coincidence, but moe sells.
I guess some people can only see things in a sexual way and truly think it's impossible for other people to like things in a completely non-sexual manner. I think you need to examine yourself if you can not differentiate between general interest and sexual desire.
There is the same prejudice for "furries" and things too.
Sexual-minded people can not accept others can like things without wanting to have sex with it.
There is the same prejudice for "furries" and things too.
Sexual-minded people can not accept others can like things without wanting to have sex with it.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Eh I just like the art of the game over all and the soft colors, could of been a mostly male cast and I would of played it either way.
Character art in the game swings both ways.
butter_stick
Banned
This is fine. We're all different. I'm sure we have more in common than differences.
electroplankton
Banned
With the difference that it's not half naked, and it's probably older than 90% of the female cast.
Btw, is this from Ayesha? Because that one seems to improve the overall design.
lazorexplosion
Member
Pedophilic? Eh there are far worse Japanese pedo-fanservice series. Terrible, terrible anime reject trash though. Writing is at brain-damaged level quality.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It all boils down to stereotypes. In one hand you have the normal-looking guy who just likes these games and in the other you have the guy who likes the games and brings a body pillow on the bus. Guess who people will think about when these games are brought up?
Anyway, it's just a bunch of fictional characters. Save your outrage and disgust for real pedophiles I say.
It has unique and deep gameplay mechanics, that's why fans love it. Nothing peculiar here honestly.
Maybe you should start by asking fans of mario games? I really don't get what you are trying to insinuate here.
electroplankton
Banned
Mario platforms are the best of the genre. Atelier are not the best of their genre.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
What are some examples of games that are like the Atelier games? On top of that the best? I'm legitly curious as I wouldn't mind some more games to play.
GundamBanshee
Member
Eh I just like the art of the game over all and the soft colors, could of been a mostly male cast and I would of played it either way.
Character art in the game swings both ways.
I want to play this now.
electroplankton
Banned
Sorry, I didn't get the question (I'm Italian).
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
You said there are better games. I'm asking, what games?
This is why I mostly stay away from debates with Anime/MLP/FurryGAF etc.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Do yourself a favor and skip rorona, I didn't and I kinda regret it. x.x
There is debating and then there is labeling. Guess which one happens more often with the subject matter. If you can debate about it most mods and users wont care, the second you start pulling stuff out of your ass and claiming to know everyone that likes those things acts a certain way, of course things are going to turn for the worst.
TheDarkStark
Member
"Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Please leave messaaaaage at the beep! I must be out or I'd pick up the phone. Wheeeeere could I beeeeeee. Believe it or not, I'm not hoooome!
I have long been interested in trying out the Atelier series if I can find the time and this post makes me more interested.
But let me be honest. It is a little disconcerting when so many people apparently see this kind of whimsical anime artstyle as something 'pedo'.
Dafuq? Who are you to decide what's the best of each genre for everyone?
The 'strangely large' number of followers Atelier has simply means that there are many out there who does not share your tastes and appreciate what the series has to offer. Where else would you find a deeper crafting mechanic?
electroplankton
Banned
What jRPG are better than Atelier games, in this generation? Xenoblade, Resonance of Fate, Dragon Quest IX, Devil Survivor, Personas, etc. etc.
Actually, I appreciated the series (as already stated), and I found pretty unique. Nevertheless, I've never understood why Atelier fans are so reluctant in admitting games' shortcomings.
Eh ... I've probably played worse. I'm mostly sad with myself for forgetting my Meruru pre-order. No LE for me since apparently it was an actual limited run! :/
Except that's ignoring the crafting component of the franchise. Unless we're going to stick with just the broad category of jRPG, in which case every game you listed (well, maybe not Devil Survivor) has a larger following.
Doesn't this apply to a lot of game fans in general who ignore their favorite games' shortcomings?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Idiot, indeed.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh those game types are not what I was asking for. I was asking for games that are like the Atelier series
Exactly
Moral Panic
Member
Some people don't like it when games choose to purposefully show the undergarments of young girls. Art looks good though.
Red Liquorice
Member
This all sounds like the usual tween JRPG protagonist saving their world to me, you just changed the agnst teen boy to a girl and made it about shopping rather than killing daddy/uncle/monsters.
Luminous_Reaver
Neo Member
Got to page five before I remembered I had a Rabiteer Knight avatar over here. I normally roll with Lezard Valeth laughing maniacally.
On the subject of the latest Atelier games (not) being tailored to pedophiles...in all seriousness, it's pretty clear they're gratuitously smearing red hot sexual subtext all over the narrative. (Exaggeration) I believe it's partly a (cultural) joke (that is somewhat lost in translation) in the Japanese "haha, this is socially awkward" kind of way...in addition to being an easy way to cash in on the creepy body pillow crowd. I'd say those guys are only part of the peripheral demographic though.
So basically it's not for pedophiles, Gust just (shamelessly) wants some of their dirty money.
For the record there was fanservice and crap back when Edge Vanheight was the (rightful) protagonist, back when the series (specifically the battle system) kicked tremendous amounts of ass. Nell Ellis, fifteen years old.
On the subject of the latest Atelier games (not) being tailored to pedophiles...in all seriousness, it's pretty clear they're gratuitously smearing red hot sexual subtext all over the narrative. (Exaggeration) I believe it's partly a (cultural) joke (that is somewhat lost in translation) in the Japanese "haha, this is socially awkward" kind of way...in addition to being an easy way to cash in on the creepy body pillow crowd. I'd say those guys are only part of the peripheral demographic though.
So basically it's not for pedophiles, Gust just (shamelessly) wants some of their dirty money.
For the record there was fanservice and crap back when Edge Vanheight was the (rightful) protagonist, back when the series (specifically the battle system) kicked tremendous amounts of ass. Nell Ellis, fifteen years old.
I think some people miss the fact that even those of us who like the games don't necessarily like that as well. It's not like "sweet, panty shots!" for all of us.
So going from angsty teen trying to save the world to some girl creating items are basically the same thing?
I think some of the plot rehash complaints on GAF make sense now under that logic.
spandexmonkey
Banned
I've never played the Atelier series, but my wife started with Rorona. She now owns all three PS3 releases.
What I saw was a light hearted RPG with emphasis on crafting and social interaction. To be honest it feels like it's a game designed for girls, especially as the series progressed.
What I saw was a light hearted RPG with emphasis on crafting and social interaction. To be honest it feels like it's a game designed for girls, especially as the series progressed.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
It's from Meruru it's Sterken
The art in Meruru is actually really good
See, had this been the picure on the first page I wouldn't have had any problems with it.
The above depiction doesn't have a super-short skirt or massive cleavage, it's portraying what looks like a teenager in an appropriate outfit.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
She isn't a teenager!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Indeed she's 40 LOL
Okay I've been curious about the Atelier games for a while now. Been thinking about getting into them.
However i do have my reservations. A watch a lot of anime, so I'm kinda desensitized to a lot of stuff and learned to ignore it. But at the same time I couldn't play more than 30 mins of Ar Tonelico Qoga before I couldn't take it anymore.
The general mechanics of these games seem interesting. How easy would you say it is to ignore all the annoying stuff, and how much of it is there?
However i do have my reservations. A watch a lot of anime, so I'm kinda desensitized to a lot of stuff and learned to ignore it. But at the same time I couldn't play more than 30 mins of Ar Tonelico Qoga before I couldn't take it anymore.
The general mechanics of these games seem interesting. How easy would you say it is to ignore all the annoying stuff, and how much of it is there?
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
This thread reminded me that an avatar change was overdue. Thanks OP!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
These games are no where near the stupidly perverted levels of that game. The moments it has them, they are normally there for a laugh.
I do wonder if the general direction of the thread would have been different if it was Ar Tonelico instead of Atelier.
I mean ... y'know.
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