FriedConsole
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Every AAA game coming out. Every release is people making big deals out of nothing and people with stupid expectations being disappointed. 2 months later is when you can hear real opinions on a AAA game.
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Best cases of revisionist history
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Alternatively, Blu Ray players were bad deals for consumers in 2006. Early adopters were getting gouged.
Not even, because nonsensically, i also hear about the fact that it was a good 'all around' unit, and not specifically related to Blu ray players. Back when there was no PSN, or actual games to play.
Trying to compare Resistance to the absolute beast that was Halo 3 and such. Please.
Let's not forget Haze everyone.
I think a lot of the dog piling just comes on because there are a still a lot of Nintendo fanboys from that era around, and they want to defend Nintendo because they are still around in a big way while Sega is not. That's the ultimate kicking of the dead horse.
But its just a fact that Genesis disrupted the market share Nintendo had in the same way 360 did against Sony.
Well, the argument was over diversity and variety. The reality is though there's a ton of variety and diversity on Wii U, unless you decide to disqualify the fastest growing segment of the industry out of hand. I just used a 1:1 game count to help show that Wii U does in fact have a ton content, but that doesn't mean every game is equivalent. This also works on the high end though, something like Assassin's Creed IV, Black Ops 2 or NFSMW is orders of magnitude larger in terms of resource demand that something like Soul Reaver, UT or TXR. So should those really be 1:1 either?
Even if we decide to cut out everything except the bigger traditional publisher efforts (so EA, Activision, Namco, Capcom, Ubisoft, WB, Disney, Midway, Konami, Square Enix/Eidos, Wii U Sega, etc), Wii U and DC really aren't all that far apart. And their support windows from these publishers are pretty similar too, basically the first one to two years for general support and then reduced down to targeted audience support after (ie: arcade ported fighters/shooters for DC, Lego/Skylanders/Infinity/JD for Wii U).
I think the droughts argument is a bit specious too. It's not objectively based as Wii U's game totals prove, again it seems to be more a subjective take based on the wait between Nintendo tentpoles. Which itself is sort of a holdover narrative from the N64 era, we had the same arguments on GC and even Wii, and they weren't really any truer then either. If you actually look at Wii U's schedule, the only year with significant amounts of time between releases was in early 2013 and that's not uncommon for a post release period. Dreamcast avoided it yes, but then Dreamcast also launched with a year's worth of Japanese content built up. To get an equivalent you'd have to imagine Wii U launching September 2013 with all the games released before then squeezed into it's launch window and following months.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
How about Mass Effect 3 being complete when it first launched?
DLC fixes everything it seems...
DLC fixes everything it seems...
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I was to busy playing Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction, Uncharted and PES 2008 x)
Shadow Hog
Member
Genesis has a pretty great library outside of Sonic games - in no particular order, Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier, Revenge of Shinobi, Shinobi III, the Streets of Rage trilogy, Ristar, Mega Turrican, Rocket Knight Adventures, Contra Hard Corps, Castlevania Bloodlines, Animaniacs, QuackShot, Castle of Illusion, World of Illusion, Shining in the Darkness, Shining Force and its sequel, the Phantasy Star games (barring III, YMMV on that), Crusader of Centy, Pulseman, Wonder Boy in Monster World, Monster World IV, the Thunder Force series, MUSHA, the superior Aladdin game, Mortal Kombat with blood instead of sweat - need I go on?
That's not even getting into sports games, which (IIRC) were generally more popular on Genesis than SNES for whatever reason, and a large part of why that race was so competitive back in the day. Mostly not getting into it since it's not really a genre I care for on any system; nevertheless, NBA Jam was one of the top four bestsellers on the console.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
PS2 was a casual console that sold well due to its appeal with non-gamers.
Definitely. TONS of third party support and great first party support as well.
3 games, one of which being an annual third party series. Atleast mention Motorstorm and Folklore too. But then that's only 5 games
Motorstorm, Warhawk, Tools of Destruction and Uncharted were well received in 2007. 2008 had LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Wipeout HD. By that point there were a decent number of worthwhile exclusives.
Obviously 2009 was the big year though.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The basketball greatness of Michael Jordan is the best case of revisionist history, but this is about video games and I have no comment!
paragonpro
Banned
"Wind waker is a baby game" I remember this shit from elementary school! Got ignored every damn time I tried to sing the games praises, now EVERYONE is suddenly super nostalgia for it. Also halo 4 is a good game, at the time everyone wanted to tell me I was wrong, now its story is held in pretty high regard.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
That wasn't a commentary of the overall quality of the library, just what I was playing late 2007.
People just pick the Nintendo console they grew up with. Early 20 somethings were 6-9 years old when Gamecube launched. That age group isn't exactly uncommon on GAF. Nintendo 64 as a whole (and not just Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, and a few other games) gets way more love now than it did when I first started posting on these forums.
I expect a lot more "The Wii was Nintendo's best console" types on GAF in another 5 years.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
"You know, the Xbox One having to be online and blocking used games was never a bad thing. I mean, it's just part of their 'grand vision' and not an attempt to be greedy."
-Way too many people in August 2013
"The Wii was a failure for Nintendo. They should return to the era of the Gamecube."
-Again, way too many people
-Way too many people in August 2013
"The Wii was a failure for Nintendo. They should return to the era of the Gamecube."
-Again, way too many people
Who the fuck says this
yep ww was a baby back in the day now it's the best game ever
Dixon's Jet
Banned
The myth that ps vita has a legacy is a cruel joke, but strangely this history has been written by the losers.
Pretty sure KH1 was pre-merger.
SuperSonic1305
Member
People thinking Xbox One got more shit than the PS3 before launch and even after.
Zombie James
Banned
They were selling an $800+ box for $500/$600. That's a fact.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Yup, that one always makes me laugh.
That happens, but with Gamecube specifically I think there was also an air of anti-Wii/anti-casual sentiment to it.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
On the other hand, the "Melee was too hard" stuff didn't start until one of Sakurai's post-Brawl interviews where he made that claim.
Sorry, but no.
A 800$ box that had jack shit for games well unless you liked nier or haze
Imru al-Qays
Banned
sörine;188971334 said:
There's a contingent (I think of hardcore Nintendo fans) who seem to think that the PS2 was successful because it appealed to "the mass market" of non-gamers in the same way the Wii did, and that the PS4 is doomed because it doesn't appeal to this market as effectively.
PaulKersey
Member
I'm a person that wants more WW2 games. The issue was that EVERYTHING was WW2, but now nothing is. It sucks :/.
cartman414
Member
Wait. Didn't Zoe cheat on him?
AmuroChan
Member
I bought mine to be a blu-ray player initially. 1st gen blu-ray players were all $500+ and many had performance issues. I don't think I even bought a PS3 game until a few months in.
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Jotamide
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I really don't get the WW posts. WW is my 2nd favorite Zelda and the first game I owned on my NGC. I knew there was controversy at the time but I think the hate for WW in overblown. After I came to GAF I found out that people disliked sailing.
On topic: "The Vita never had a chance, mobile killed handheld gaming years before."
Such bullshit with this one. The PSP might have sold half of the DS units but it was no slouch. Also, everyone hated the 3DS on its early days: way smaller screen than a DSi XL, crappy game library, and high price point, not to mention there where a bunch of problems with screen panels getting scratched when closing the console.
Sony only had to make the first Vita be the 2000 (to save costs), support regular SD cards, and price it just slightly under the 3DS and I can assure you that things would have played out differently. Lumines, Wipeout, and Gravity Rush were a solid launch library trio. Sony just didn't even wanted to try, but the market was for the taking back in 2011.
Yeah I remember my dad only had movies too
sörine;188970056 said:
Nah, I agree that something like GTAV shouldn't be compared to something like Unreal Tournament on a 1:1 basis either.. the gaming landscape today is different. Games like Unreal Tournament, Soul Reaver etc did however represent the high-end of games at that time. They would comfortably sit on a shelf alongside the GTAs, Metal Gear Solids, Tekken 3s of the world, retailing at the same price, and were not noticeably completely separate in the way something like Shovel Knight sitting next to Arkham Knight would be.
I don't think saying the major publisher support for the two consoles was similar is very accurate at all. The Dreamcast was pulled in 2001... for the Wii U, this would have essentially made 2014 it's final year. Now I'm not sure how complete this list is (feel free to let me know if it's missing much)... but it it paints a rather sad picture of Wii U releases when not propped by eShop figures. It's much worse comparatively if you start comparing Wii U's 2013 to Dreamcast's 2000. It's not like I don't own a Wii U, and look out for games to purchase on it... but outside of a handful of notable (almost exclusively Nintendo) releases, and a bunch of indie games available on pretty much every device on that planet... there's really very little to really consider. It's probably the weakest overall lineup I've seen a major console have, excluding the dying phases of the Saturn, where nothing was making it over from Japan. The Dreamcast spent the majority of its like making the PS2's lineup look bad in comparison (dying around the time that console started to pick up), whereas the XB1 and PS4 basically blew past the Wii U's offerings in their opening months, due to third party support.
cartman414
Member
Dude, it's been back and forth. VII has mostly had its edge coming from the mainstream.
Imru al-Qays;188972666 said:
the people who think the ps4 is doomed must be in small quantities. that is probably more of a commentary on how mainstream last gen was in general and how success is being defined this time around.
the ps2 was definitely also a mainstream product. you could get it for your family and enjoy dvds while kids played sonic or sly. there was a little something for everyone. that's why it was so popular. hell, i got games for that thing out of convenience - beyond good & evil was best on gamecube? well, the ps2 version was $10 so i got that instead.
i think if you hit something like 60 million units sold, you probably made something that a wide variety of people are enjoying.
johnnydrama
Banned
Massively downplaying Amy Hennig's work on the Uncharted series ever since she left Naughty Dog. I've seen plenty of that on this forum.
cartman414
Member
Mostly untrue. Probably sometime into the next generation, people forgot about DKC after realizing it was a little rote aside from the graphics. Not crappy, just a little rote.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Oh, just remembered another one - that Nintendo hasn't made new IPs over the last decade (or two, if people want to claim since the 90s). Its just that they haven't stopped making their previous IPs, and well, many of those still sell exceedingly well and so new stuff doesn't become the new mainliners. Also whether or not people buy them doesn't change that they get made. Splatoon's more a breakout case.
Earlier this year, we had a Best Genesis Games voting thread. Since I didn't own a Genesis back in the day, I went and checked out a bunch of the top games people were voting for. I played almost all of those games you listed. It turned out, the only games besides Sonic that particularly I liked were Ristar and Beyond Oasis. (I think I also put Vectorman on my list, but that was more out of nostalgia because I played it at a friend's house when I was a kid; playing it again years later, it didn't hold up).
There's not a single game on the Genesis that I would take over its equivalent on the SNES. I wouldn't take any of the Genesis platformers, even Sonic and Ristar, over DKC2, Mario World, and Yoshi's Island. I wouldn't take Crusader of the Centy and Beyond Oasis over Link to the Past. I'm not a fan of RPGs, but I'd much rather subject myself to FF6, Chrono Trigger, or Mario RPG than Phantasy Star. I'll take the SNES version of Aladdin over the Genesis version, which I found to be utter garbage, and it kinda blows my mind that you think it's the superior version. And so on. And Genesis doesn't even have an equivalent for some games like Super Metroid.
The Genesis in its own right is a weak console. Comparing the Genesis to the SNES is just embarrassing.
cartman414
Member
No. Zelda II only got the backlash retrospectively after LttP came out and codified the rest of the series.
eot
Banned
Well, yes and no. I love ME2 so I'm generally keen to defend it, and I don't think ME1 was great as an RPG. It did however feel much more like an RPG. You could bug your squadmates when walking around the citadel, you had a shitty inventory, you got XP for kills etc. It wasn't a harsh transition from KotOR, but with ME2 they recognised that all those parts were essentially vestigial in the game they were making, whereas some people hoped they'd expand them instead. Yes, the RPG was essentially dead in ME1 but there was still a hope it could be revived; ME2 killed that.
i suppose so. and i look forward to some nice wii revisionism of it being nintendo's best console taking hold, since it's true.
related to that, the extremely overblown love for the wind waker, especially in comparsion to twilight princess. when twilight princess came out, the competition wasn't the wind waker - it was okami (which might actually be the worst game ever made by a human).
Yeah but REmake is way scarier