I don't know. The TV I played it on doesn't support 24hz. I'll experiment later on a different set.
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Beyond Two Souls PS4 vs PS3 Frame-Rate Test - Digital Foundry
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rockman zx
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Too bad about the black bars, I really hope they listen and don't do it again with Detroit.
Any word if the PS4 version was done by QD?.
Any word if the PS4 version was done by QD?.
Eh, as a 'remaster' purely defined by enhancements it was a poor effort, but as a port it was average. 1080p, and it basically is Dishonored. It looks similar to last gen and even has the poor AF of last gen on PS4 anyway, and the fps performs about the same as last gen on 360 too.
dragonbane
Member
Well, they did put quite a bit of effort into it though. They gone over every scene and improved a lot of the bad textures. They even added new assets sometimes to fill out sparse backgrounds. I doubt the budget was very high for this of course, but even if it would have been I doubt they would have shot for 60 fps. Just doesn't feel like something they or most of their audience would care for. As for the engine, they improved most things they could (like higher shadow resolution and AF), there wasn't a huge amount to improve here as the PS3 release already used the majority of current gen technology unlike other PS3 releases.
Black bars will be in Detroit. Sorry. And yes, it was entirely done in house afaik.
JumpCancel
Banned
Basic remaster to get more blood out of the stone. What else is new?
I bought it B2S 2 weeks ago for the ps3 for ÂŁ3.60. To me that was a fair entry point that justified my enjoyment.
I have a love/hate relationship with remasters. It's great that consumers have a chance to pick up games they missed out on previous generations, but the labeling of "remaster" is thrown about just as much as "pre-alpha". Don't get me wrong I know this isn't a remake and the differences they entail.
Everyone should call their "remasters" that have little no no improvements beyond what the console standard is "resolution in this case" the way Nintendo's naming scheme functions:
Beyond Two Souls PS4.
Devil May Cry HD Collection and the other sony collections do what I'm talking about. None of this false "Remaster" crap.
Its the collection of games in HD. 60 FPS and 1080. Does what it says on the tin. Maybe this is just me but the naming conventions need to be toned down and reserved for actual remasters.
I bought it B2S 2 weeks ago for the ps3 for ÂŁ3.60. To me that was a fair entry point that justified my enjoyment.
I have a love/hate relationship with remasters. It's great that consumers have a chance to pick up games they missed out on previous generations, but the labeling of "remaster" is thrown about just as much as "pre-alpha". Don't get me wrong I know this isn't a remake and the differences they entail.
Everyone should call their "remasters" that have little no no improvements beyond what the console standard is "resolution in this case" the way Nintendo's naming scheme functions:
Beyond Two Souls PS4.
Devil May Cry HD Collection and the other sony collections do what I'm talking about. None of this false "Remaster" crap.
Its the collection of games in HD. 60 FPS and 1080. Does what it says on the tin. Maybe this is just me but the naming conventions need to be toned down and reserved for actual remasters.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
You should watch the video, they've remastered more than resolution and framerate.
Dictator93
Member
kill me
Deal with it. It's a cage game where you can't fail. You are getting an upgrade from 24 fps!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Well good thing I bought the game for $27 on PSN then. Sounds like they priced it correctly.
dragonbane
Member
17 fps actually in some places lol Cage went too far on PS3Deal with it. It's a cage game where you can't fail. You are getting an upgrade from 24 fps!
Well 21:9 certainly is considering the game runs perfectly fine on PS3 with the bars removed through a simple config file change (something DF is wrong about). It's either rendering under the bars already or it's limited in other ways so that a resolution boost actually doesn't affect it much. It's very much an artistic choice. 30 fps on the other hand is obviously in place so they can push graphics further, as their games benefit from that a hell of a lot more than 60 fps and not so great graphics. No point making this 60 fps since all their future titles won't be.
JumpCancel
Banned
The few improved textures and replaced assets are nice, but I doubt you'd notice them unless you had each version side by side. Still great to see some additional effort.
However some scenes they've added a blury layer to. When compared to the PS3 shots I'm of the opinion that the PS3 is preferable in those scenes.
because the number of TVs that support 24fps are relatively very small. The number of TVs that support 30fps are... every TV ever made in North America..
sorry, but 48fps Hobbit says your full of utter shit. If you are going for a "traditionally cinematic experience", the further past 24fps you get the further it harms the "cinematic look/feel" of the experience. See Hobbit at 48fps. Or ANYTHING motion interpolated to 120/240Hz. "buh buh buh buh games!!!!!!!" is not a valid point. You can't argue that games are art on one side of the argument, then say that game creators can't push for artistic manipulation and filtering on the other side of it. If a creator truly wants to set framerate to 30fps on their title to achieve a look, or do 21:9, or do black and white, etc.. you, I, or anyone else don't have squat to say about it aside from we like it or not.
Is it really that rare? I've got a Samsung from like 7 years ago and it does have a 24Hz mode.
GavinUK86
Member
Jesus christ the David Cage hate is getting ridiculous. This is a great remaster. Rock solid 30FPS and a lot of visual upgrades. Stop moaning just because you don't like the guy (or pretending not to just because you think it's "cool" to hate things) or because you don't like these types of games. They're not going anywhere, and nor is he.
"rare" out of like 300M TVs or whatever is installed in the US, etc? Yeah, I'd say it's somewhat rare.
Also going for 24fps on the vast majority of those TVs will still result in 30fps. Very few of those TVs actually use a 5:5 cadence. Most will still use a 3:2 cadence for pulldown, and then multiply that up to the TVs refresh. Getting a TV that truly displays 24fps content at 5:5 or 10:10 cadence IS very rare.
dragonbane
Member
It's called Motion Blur. Not that great in stills sometimes, but it looks better and more fluid in motion. Otherwise I see no additional blurring anywhere.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Still have it on PS3 and while the framerate is now stable on PS4, it's not really a fast paced game, so the framerate never really bothered me on PS3. The graphics don't really look much better either.
It looks like this will be a basic remaster, I would rather play Heavy Rain again, as that was the better game. If the price is right, I might get this when it comes bundled with Heavy Rain but not fussed about buying it again on it's own.
It looks like this will be a basic remaster, I would rather play Heavy Rain again, as that was the better game. If the price is right, I might get this when it comes bundled with Heavy Rain but not fussed about buying it again on it's own.
How is this a basic remaster?
What else could have been done here?
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015...-to-ps4-on-nov-24th-heavy-rain-out-next-year/
What else could have been done here?
Teletraan1
Banned
The game should come with a free eye exam for all the people claiming that it looks no different.
Kralamoonard
Member
But that's exactly the point...we're not watching a movie we're playing a GAME where there is gamePLAY. Unlike a movie which is non-interactive, games benefit (for the reasons I mentioned above) in an increase in frame rate. Yes of course games are art, but where there is interaction, people benefit from a higher frame rate as they're interactingwith the game. Again, TB's video does a nice job at explaining that. For cutscenes? Possibly? But gameplay? Nah; high response time, less input latency and more fluid gameplay makes for a superior experience. Not that I'm bothered, as I game on consoles anyway, but playing The Order for example at 60fps compares to 30fps would mean the game PLAYS better.
- Option to turn off borders
- 60fps
Either way, we'll see how those changes truly hold up on DF's analysis/face-off next week. I don't want to be making final judgements now.
JumpCancel
Banned
Debatable. Motion Blur is something I hate, and turn off whenever able. I still feel that this isn't a game that is worth re-releasing. Then again I didn't enjoy it and there are those who do with David Cage games.
To each their own.
That should have been available from the start. Im glad they added that meaning they listened to fans, but that should have been the standard, if not patched into the PS3 version. Added nothing to the story by playing it in a disjointed manner, and I shouldn't have to buy the game again to play it in a way that makes sense.
alexandros
Banned
Cash grab?
ShadowSoldier89
Member
cinema should be 60 FPS
thelastword
Banned
I can see some improvements, nice improvements to MB, DOF, Water (water sprouts) and smoke, would have liked to see further improvements on characters though. The most distracting thing is the shimmering, there's no way they should exist on this remaster.
Yeah, devs could always do the games they dont want to do... but they are crazy enough to do what they want to do. #Devgate
Maybe, but it's not right now.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Just from looking at the video, it looked nearly the same to me. I guess that's down to how good the PS3 version looked to begin with though. Sure there are improvements but it hardly looks like night and day difference.
Have they actually improved the gameplay ? Because I remember not enjoying it as much as Heavy Rain.
Have they actually improved the gameplay ? Because I remember not enjoying it as much as Heavy Rain.
Teletraan1
Banned
Playing the interactive media card on a David Cage game seems like a waste of time. If this was any other type of game other than basically a limited interaction cutscene I am right with you. 60 all the way. Doing the "60 and proud" bit on this game is just farting into the wind.
Kralamoonard
Member
That's not what I said and simplifying my argument into that is making your point facile. Don't put words into my mouth.
Companies want to make money? Shocker.
Point taken, but there is still some degree of gameplay in his game and response time (like mentioned in the DF video) would benefit, particularly in the QTE sections. What I'm saying it's not like a South Park Stick of Truth situation where it wouldn't make a difference, IYGM?
alexandros
Banned
There are multiple ways of making money. One is to put a lot of effort into delivering a quality product, another is to push out a sub-par product in order to make a quick buck.
dragonbane
Member
There is no fast paced gameplay though.
Especially for 29.99 and a discount on HR.
I mean, it was a choice they did. Either like it or not I guess
They improved character hair rendering and animation actually. It moves a lot more fluid now.
lukeskymac
Member
A meh game with few improvements. Should have been $19.
Do you long for death whenever you go see a movie?
Come on.
Do you long for death whenever you go see a movie?
Come on.
Kralamoonard
Member
This is sub-par? It was pushed out quickly? Are you serious? I know you've made some shitposts in the past which you've been called out on but this is just asking for it.
Mate, the game was ready for a long time particularly as it was playable since E3 and the trophy list was up for a long time too. Also, it's a remaster; there was only so much they could do; not sure what "putting effort into delivering a quality product" would have helped in this remaster. It's not like they're not working on their own game or something...
alexandros
Banned
Not talking about Beyond specifically, just pointing out that "companies want to make money" doesn't mean anything by itself.
Projectjustice
Banned
How is this game not 60fps on PS4?
So you're not calling this product sub par? But this type of remaster is a cash grab?
I think you're all over the place.
dragonbane
Member
Navajo got a massive overhaul too, which is much appreciated since it was easily the worst looking chapter on PS3.
PS3:
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That is certainly noticeable even from compressed twitch stream grabs.
PS3:
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That is certainly noticeable even from compressed twitch stream grabs.
Navajo got a massive overhaul too, which is much appreciated since it was easily the worst looking chapter on PS3.
PS3:
PS4:
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That is certainly noticeable even from compressed twitch stream grabs.
Wow... I hope Heavy Rain gets this treatment!
Actually, instead of doing this, just complete the content that they had planned instead!!
It was released on a console. Nothing new to see here.
dragonbane
Member
It grants you a discount on HR if you buy it so that will likely be $19 then.
Cause there is no reason for it. They upped the graphics further instead. It was the best looking game on PS3 and ran accordingly awful on it (17 fps sometimes). 60 fps is asking for a lot.
Technically the game is only running in 900p too, although with the fidelity of 1080p as the missing pixels are blacked out rather than upscaled.
A 900p remaster should be 60fps.
Also I wish there was an option to remove the borders for those of us who disagree that that black bars painted on the top and bottom of a TV screen make a videogame more cinematic.
A 900p remaster should be 60fps.
Also I wish there was an option to remove the borders for those of us who disagree that that black bars painted on the top and bottom of a TV screen make a videogame more cinematic.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Wait, why are people pissed that they didn't remove the black bars like it was some sort of technical limitation, when it was how they envisioned their game?
You do realize someone said the exact same thing on the first page?
boredandlazy
Member
Most people would say equate '900p' to 1600x900 which is not what's happening here.
"Port".
Kralamoonard
Member
So did The Order have black bars for the same reason?
Hint: it wasn't; the developers even said it themselves that they could push image quality and graphics more with less stuff on screen whilst maintaining a sound frame rate.
Also, just curious then, why didn't Heavy Rain have black bars?
Its not a port. :/