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[Lifejumper]

Guys.. Cainhurst or nightmare frontier?

 

[SweetJohnnyCage]

Ok I hear what you are saying but that is not what I see happening within the current game design system. Maybe you and other people play that way... but most of the people I am reading about are just basically running past all the enemies to the boss upon a death. And Bloodborne's design appears to intentionally make that a real possibility.

So personally the only difference between being able to restart at the boss battle or being forced to start at an earlier point is a forced 30 second to two minute boring running period where you are essentially in no danger of anything.

You're gonna see it the way you're gonna see it. If after all of our posts we can't change your mind, then there's no point in arguing with you.

Bosses that crush you are supposed to make you feel defeated. Nothing instills that feeling more than having to restart the area and have to slog through it again. But that's why you open up shortcuts to make the run back quicker. But that run is part of the boss defeating you, taunting you, sending you home with your tail between your legs.

 

[Orthogonal]

Almost had a heart attack, started up game and got an error that it could not load saved data. Restarted and it was there. phew

 

[Krusenstern]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

That's a long way of saying that you suck at the game.

 

[chris121580]

Guys, I screwed up and killed the woman by the cathederal lantern checkpoint. How bad am I screwed?

 

[Carbonox]

What the fuck at VA. Jesus Christ I must have died like 20 times already so far. I'm just completely stumped. Level 34 and the Ludwig Blade not ideal or what? Can get her down to half health but that's when the fun starts.

 

[Upinsmoke]

This is hopeless

 

[Beaulieu]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Please tell me how you really feel

 

[Virdix]

Finally beat the game today.

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No matter which ending you choose, you still feel like shit in a way. I chose the so called "Bad ending" simply because I didn't know how to get the "True ending" at the time. But I saw all three on youtube and they are all interesting in a way. The so called "Good ending" was the saddest imo. The doll kneeling by your grave and wishing you good luck. Sad as fuck.

Can't wait for Vaatividya's interpertation of the story and the ending.

Such a great game, really. Kinda sad to finish it, but I'm still waiting for more secrets to be found by the community. That's what these games are all about imo

Im excited too, this is the first time ive been active in a souls game community, been reading item descriptions and stuff trying to piece it together. Would love to hear Vaati and ENB talk about it.

 

[VinFTW]

End game spoiler joke:

Id like to be called

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"Great One"

if possible.

Lol, after beating this game I feel that one too

So, I've estavlished my goals:

Beating ng+ on main str build to max out str and arcane for wheel of death.

Then starting my skill character and grabbing crow set and mercy blades.

Gonna take me a week ish, and I'm so excited to play my ass off.

 

[Allonym]

Oh my God, the brain bitch with the eyeballs that casts frenzy. Ugh!!! Frenzy is such a stupid mechanic and my meter builds so fast and it's too hard to counter against that damn creature because if you use an antidote she'll grab you and munch on you. I can survive one frenzy against her and then she'll grab me if my hammer strike misses.

 

[Ferr986]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

then, it's a game for that kind of people. Bloodborne doesn't have to be a game for everyone. You have, as you say, D3 and DA:I for that.

 

[Randam]

Guys, I screwed up and killed the woman by the cathederal lantern checkpoint. How bad am I screwed?

Not at all.

Why is everyone so worried?

When you killed a merchant or blacksmith on in Dark Souls you were screwed.
Or stockpile Thomas.

 

[Mindman]

Guys, I screwed up and killed the woman by the cathederal lantern checkpoint. How bad am I screwed?

Would like to know this also...

 

[phierce]

That's a long way of saying that you suck at the game.

10/10

 

[ogbg]

So personally the only difference between being able to restart at the boss battle or being forced to start at an earlier point is a forced 30 second to two minute boring running period where you are essentially in no danger of anything.

It makes finding shortcuts quite joyous. I suppose they could do the same thing with hidden lanterns near the boss but I doubt that would give the same sense of satisfaction as when you open the shortcut.

 

[Simzyy]

I'm not that far, but I've been noticing the same. I'm not killing bosses left and right just like that lol, but the game has definitely gotten easier. During the first two or three bosses I was constantly thinking that his is way, WAY harder than the Souls games, right now it feels like the easiest one.

I found Dark Souls 2 near impossible at times. The hit boxes never felt right and I ended up summoning a lot. Game just felt broken to me but I might be making excuses.

At least in Bloodborne, easier or not, everything feels right and if I die it at least feels like my fault.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

yeah, this is not like an RPG where u can pretty much grind and level up your way to victory. You still need core action skills to beat this game.

 

[chris121580]

Not at all.

Why is everyone so worried?

When you killed a merchant or blacksmith on in Dark Souls you were screwed.
Or stockpile Thomas.

This is a relief. She scared the hell out of me and I unleashed fury on her haha and I felt so bad when she said, "I just wanted to help people..."

 

[Beaulieu]

Lol, after beating this game I feel that one too

So, I've estavlished my goals:

Beating ng+ on main str build to max out str and arcane for wheel of death.

Then starting my skill character and grabbing crow set and mercy blades.

Gonna take me a week ish, and I'm so excited to play my ass off.

Playings a dex build, the cane >>> mercy blades

 

[105.Will]

Guys.. Cainhurst or nightmare frontier?

Cainhurst is a cooler area with a tough boss but what comes after is worth it. so i'd say Cainhurst

 

[Ferrio]

Guys, I screwed up and killed the woman by the cathederal lantern checkpoint. How bad am I screwed?

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Er which one?

 

[SweetJohnnyCage]

I found Dark Souls 2 near impossible at times. The hit boxes never felt right and I ended up summoning a lot. Game just felt broken to me but I might be making excuses.

At least in Bloodborne, easier or not, everything feels right and if I die it at least feels like my fault.

 

[taybul]

I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

You don't think Diablo 3 is repetitive?

 

[Machinehead]

OK, the early weapon S

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take Driver

is cool and all, but what is the purpose of the actual

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drive

charge? It is not that strong, takes TOO long to build up, sucks up all stamina, and doesn't allow for a visceral attack after it.
I don't get it.

The axe still seems the best weapon. I feeling like changing it for the BSB, but I can't find any cool STR weapon.

 

[Virdix]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Wait farming rifts isnt repetitive? I would much rather do another playthrough of bloodborne. Cant speak about DA:I because i didnt buy it.

 

[chris121580]

Spoiler

Er which one?

The one in the floor right behind the lantern

 

[theSlacker]

The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

Artificial difficulty is for trial and error games. Souls games tend to give you everything you need to know to clear an encounter the first time you try it if you are good enough and are paying enough attention as well as put in enough planning. The "hard but fair" nature is why some people love the difficulty of it. It is also one of the reasons why some people didn't like DS2 as much since it had several encounters that just locked you into an ambush that you would have had no indication of it happening and no way to back out of it.

Anyway, back to the game.

 

[mxgt]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Diablo 3 and DA:I were more repetitive to me than Bloodborne.

 

[Deku Tree]

That run back makes a world of difference to the people that enjoy this. It is something you learn to do, and something that you have to deal with for not being good enough. What you are saying is like saying that the bosses should not heal any of the health you took off of them if you die. I mean it's just pointless stuff that you already did right?

No that's completely different. You keep making it seem like I just want BB to be easier and hold your hand more. I don't want that at all. I love the difficulty.

I just don't want to sprint through environments with essentially no danger to myself each time I die at a boss battle. It feels like a slog to me. Although I understand your and others feelings we can just agree to feel differently about it.

You're gonna see it the way you're gonna see it. If after all of our posts we can't change your mind, then there's no point in arguing with you.

Bosses that crush you are supposed to make you feel defeated. Nothing instills that feeling more than having to restart the area and have to slog through it again. But that's why you open up shortcuts to make the run back quicker. But that run is part of the boss defeating you, taunting you, sending you home with your tail between your legs.

Same point: I love the difficulty.

I just don't want to sprint through environments with essentially no danger to myself each time I die at a boss battle. It feels like a slog to me. Although I understand your and others feelings we can just agree to feel differently about it.

 

[todahawk]

What the fuck at VA. Jesus Christ I must have died like 20 times already so far. I'm just completely stumped. Level 34 and the Ludwig Blade not ideal or what? Can get her down to half health but that's when the fun starts.

Are you using the primary attack of Ludwig? I didn't have it yet for that fight but I switched back to the saw cleaver so I could hit fast. used fire paper on it too. charged in and pushed past to get on her backside and didn't let up. worked well for me.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Anyone down for Castle Boss fight? I needs help cause I am a wimp.

 

[piratethingy]

Agh sorry about that apparently I ran out of blood vials. Damn.

 

[Deku Tree]

It makes finding shortcuts quite joyous. I suppose they could do the same thing with hidden lanterns near the boss but I doubt that would give the same sense of satisfaction as when you open the shortcut.

That's very true. Pain and suffering makes the little things much more enjoyable.

 

[Soulflarz]

Anyone want me to stream this nonsense run? lol. Expect awkwardness if I do, cause yeah, level is odd.

 

[KJRage]

So I got the t

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onsil

s

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tone

,

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Spoiler

and when I went back to the church, the Amygdala didn't grab me to teleport me

. Not sure if I can do anything now.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Ive done my way beyond the 3rd boss and have not used the gun for a single parry yet. Am I doing it wrong? Lol

I have 12 bosses down and ve barely fired any bullets, Axe in 2 handed mode or holy sword in 2 handed mode

 

[d00d3n]

Should I use the item I got after completing the boss in church ward?

 

[elhav]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Well Bloodborne isn't a typical RPG...

Also, blaming the game's difficulty is just admitting you're not so good at the game.
The game's difficulty depends on how good you are or get. I found this game to be far easier than Dark Souls or Ninja Gaiden to be frank. It's still difficult, but once you figure out how to play well, the game really becomes fun and exciting.

Btw, since when relying on your mental and manual dexterity for a game is considered bad? It's the biggest appeal here.

Im excited too, this is the first time ive been active in a souls game community, been reading item descriptions and stuff trying to piece it together. Would love to hear Vaati and ENB talk about it.

Yeah, I'm really curious to see what these guys will find next.

 

[Saint9806]

That's a long way of saying that you suck at the game.

 

[Flying Toaster]

So I got the tonsil stone,

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Spoiler

and when I went back to the church, the Amygdala didn't grab me to teleport me

. Not sure if I can do anything now.

You have to let it kill you.

 

[theSlacker]

Oh my God, the brain bitch with the eyeballs that casts frenzy. Ugh!!! Frenzy is such a stupid mechanic and my meter builds so fast and it's too hard to counter against that damn creature because if you use an antidote she'll grab you and munch on you. I can survive one frenzy against her and then she'll grab me if my hammer strike misses.

I like frenzy as it is your brain just not being able to stand the craziness that is happening. Those monsters are legitimately crazy and scary, and I like how my character reacts to them the same way I would.

 

[Rhaknar]

OH SHIT

did you guys notice there is one of those

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cthulhu spiders

latched onto the

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safe haven church

near the end of the game?

 

[Forceatowulf]

Woooooow I just accidentally killed an npc..... In my defense, this npc was freaky as fuck looking and it was pitch black in that room. Really fucking annoyed that this happened though. Ugh

Oh well, I'll talk with him/it in NG+.

 

[RoboPlato]

What's the last thing that occurred with her? This is what happened to me.

Spoiler

I never went back to where I fought Father G after a certain battle so I missed her fighting the other two hunters. Later on after the blood moon came out instead of finding Eileen outside of the chapel, she was inside and I had to battle her instead of another hunter

I think that's what happened.

 

[Virdix]

It makes finding shortcuts quite joyous. I suppose they could do the same thing with hidden lanterns near the boss but I doubt that would give the same sense of satisfaction as when you open the shortcut.

I kove finding shortcuts, the one in Old Yharnum is my favorite, i thought that was a very cool to loop the level together. The kevek design is just so dense and looking at the geography is exciting, to me anyway.

 

[Randam]

This is a relief. She scared the hell out of me and I unleashed fury on her haha and I felt so bad when she said, "I just wanted to help people..."

What were you expecting?
That she will give you the key to the last boss and when dead, you won't be able to beat the game?

 

[Auctopus]

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Lol, Bloodborne's difficulty is artificial but DA:I isn't?! Repetitive and tedious are the exact words I'd use for Nightmare mode, such as slog and unenjoyable. Tactics go out the window as the game isn't designed well enough for that sort of difficulty.

Bloodborne however, shows that Miyazaki's team know exactly how difficulty should be implemented within a game. A defeat that is entirely the player's for not using the tools handed to them correctly.

 

[One-Shot]

Just wondering has anyone ran into any bad notes? All of them have been solid and helpful for me.

 

[taybul]

Hm maybe I should try online tonight since it seems a lot of people have trouble with Rom. What are the benefits exactly of helping someone online? In the other games you'd gain humanity at least.