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Blu-ray or HD DVD, GAFfers which do you support.
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Warm Machine
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Right now HD-DVD as I have the 360 drive but I'm not adverse to getting a Blu-Ray player. Thats right, a dedicated Blu-Ray player as the PS3 scaling chip issue has me far too concerned about its capability and flexibility.
The HD-DVD drive was a great purchase/gift, got me into seeing 1080 content and for only $200. Even if I only get another year out of it it will have been worth it.
The HD-DVD drive was a great purchase/gift, got me into seeing 1080 content and for only $200. Even if I only get another year out of it it will have been worth it.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Zap:-
My point was I think a lot of the people that are saying they support DVD are saying it *because* they think that DVD will be the dominant format - check the OP
"If you have chosen to wait on the fence untill a winner is decided" is the legend under the DVD choice.
Whilst I see the difference in HD movies and stuff, I'm not that impressed that I can't go back and watch all my DVD's, and I'm quite discerning (as in I know what to look for ).
It's better, but it's not more convenient, and it doesn't add much to the experience. IMHO. And if the visusals don't add much in IMO, then they ain't gonna add much to the average joe. Unless they get carried along in wave of consumer sheepism.
But being an audio person (I have my own studio setup), I really want to get a PS3, and get a lossless 7.1 and "see" the difference.
As an aside, I *personally* think the difference between a 128kbps MP3 and a decently mastered SACD/DVD-A disc is massively more obvious than DVD compare to either HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, but like I said I'm an audio person and am biased that way.
And am extremely pissed that the consumer fomat for music is moving to MP3 rather than a decent quality format like SACD or DVD-A.
My point was I think a lot of the people that are saying they support DVD are saying it *because* they think that DVD will be the dominant format - check the OP
"If you have chosen to wait on the fence untill a winner is decided" is the legend under the DVD choice.
Whilst I see the difference in HD movies and stuff, I'm not that impressed that I can't go back and watch all my DVD's, and I'm quite discerning (as in I know what to look for ).
It's better, but it's not more convenient, and it doesn't add much to the experience. IMHO. And if the visusals don't add much in IMO, then they ain't gonna add much to the average joe. Unless they get carried along in wave of consumer sheepism.
But being an audio person (I have my own studio setup), I really want to get a PS3, and get a lossless 7.1 and "see" the difference.
As an aside, I *personally* think the difference between a 128kbps MP3 and a decently mastered SACD/DVD-A disc is massively more obvious than DVD compare to either HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, but like I said I'm an audio person and am biased that way.
And am extremely pissed that the consumer fomat for music is moving to MP3 rather than a decent quality format like SACD or DVD-A.
The Main Event
Member
HD DVD for great stand alone prices, titles currently available that interest me, mostly superior quality releases in terms of PQ and extras (incl. from Warner and Paramount), no region lock for foreign movies, and a format that's already finalized.
Toshiba HD-A2 HDMI (bough in February) on a Sony KDF-E60A20.
Titles 15:
Batman Begins
Army of Darkness
The Bourne Supremacy
A Christmas Story
Corpse Bride
The Departed
Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift
The Hulk
King Kong
Nine Inch Nails: Beside you in time
Unleashed
V for Vendetta
Constantine (free)
Four Brothers (free)
Chronicles of Riddick (free)
Titles on my wait list on Amazon:
Children of Men
Lucky Number Slevin
The Scorpion King
The Thing
Clerks II
Slither
Still buying some standard DVD (like Borat and Casino Royale, adding to my collection of over 200) since it still looks good upscaled...I'll check into Blu-ray once everything is finalized and maybe when the PS3 will go down in price...Casino Royale is the biggest movie that I wish I had in HD...but of course shelling out $600 for one movie is absurd.
Also, can't wait to have Children of Men
Black Deatha
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gollumsluvslave said:
With all that said, I am still not sure what catagory to put you under.
I think it's worth asking, are there ANY BLu-ray supporters on this board that have a player other than a PS3?
gollumsluvslave
Member
DVD
VHS had an innings that was only slayed by the virtue of the fact the DVD was far more convenient to the average punter.
I think that something will slay DVD as a format, but it's got to offer more to punters than the fact that it just looks a *shitload* better. Where *shitload* was my definition and my fiance said that the movie was just "a bit more real lookin'"
VictimOfGrief
Banned
I think the issue is Sony is a stuborn SOB. It's not so much that I mind the competition in the market, however "HD DVD" makes more sense as far as "branding" goes because consumer masses can relate with HD DVD more so than "Blu-Ray".Onix said:
I mean, I've heard comments from friends who have been over watching TV and they saw the commerical for Casion Royale and how it says "DVD and Blu-Ray Disc" of which my friend blurted out "What the hell is Blue Ray?"
I had to explain to him that it was Sony's version of "HD DVD".
Either way, pro's and con's of both are minimal however it is the whole Beta Vs VHS thing all over again.
I'm hoping at the end of this Sony / Toshiba make a unified format and just brand the movies as one.
And hell will freeze over. Oh well I can wish.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Early September, I couldn't hold out any longer, and went with HDDVD initially because it was clearly better at the time.
I currently own:
Toshiba HD-A2 standalone player (have owned the RCA-branded version of the HD-A1, but a cousin has it now, attached to his new 50" SXRD)
73 movies. No TV or music titles.
I'll probably buy a BRD player when the Pirates movies come out. And hopefully the BRD camp will get their shit together on Java sooner rather than later. The format definitely has the potential to be better. The pricing bothers me so far, though, especially Fox's. I've only payed over $20 for seven HDDVDs, and I've got a lot of combos. The most I've ever payed is $22.99 for the Departed. The least is $4.86 for Cinderella Man. (wouldn't have payed $20, lol)
I currently own:
Toshiba HD-A2 standalone player (have owned the RCA-branded version of the HD-A1, but a cousin has it now, attached to his new 50" SXRD)
73 movies. No TV or music titles.
I'll probably buy a BRD player when the Pirates movies come out. And hopefully the BRD camp will get their shit together on Java sooner rather than later. The format definitely has the potential to be better. The pricing bothers me so far, though, especially Fox's. I've only payed over $20 for seven HDDVDs, and I've got a lot of combos. The most I've ever payed is $22.99 for the Departed. The least is $4.86 for Cinderella Man. (wouldn't have payed $20, lol)
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I'm with Cap.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i'm sort of mildly surprised people care about this outside the pretense of the console wars.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Shit, you haven't been to AVForums then!:lol
VictimOfGrief
Banned
you will find movie lovers in this thread. The movies speak for themselves.beelzebozo said:
VictimOfGrief said:
I canÂ’t believe one can honestly give a shit about the name. BluRay is starting to be heavily advertised, and it is outselling HD DVD Â… so who gives a shit?
BTW – How is Sony being stubborn? They are not doing this alone, and have always had more support from CE companies and studios.
That is in fact untrue, and will become clearer in time. The HW bit-rate advantages coupled with the codec advantages of BluRay will make for better A/V.
That canÂ’t happen. What are they going to do, abandon the current platforms and start over?
An interesting point, but I was thinking of things from the opposite point.
Joe Consumer is going to walk in and see HD DVD and Blu-Ray.
At first glance HD DVD sounds (in the name) like an updated DVD, while Blu-Ray sounds like the next generation. Why upgrade to HD when you can update to next generation?
DVD wasn't called HD VHS or something like that.
While in reality it probably isn't going to make a difference what the names are (in terms of sales), and for all purposes the formats are "equal", everytime I see HD DVD I think of 32X and we know how well THAT turned out :lol
I don't see HD DVD turning out much better, to be honest.
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Joe Consumer is going to walk in and see HD DVD and Blu-Ray.
At first glance HD DVD sounds (in the name) like an updated DVD, while Blu-Ray sounds like the next generation. Why upgrade to HD when you can update to next generation?
DVD wasn't called HD VHS or something like that.
While in reality it probably isn't going to make a difference what the names are (in terms of sales), and for all purposes the formats are "equal", everytime I see HD DVD I think of 32X and we know how well THAT turned out :lol
I don't see HD DVD turning out much better, to be honest.
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VictimOfGrief said:
Oh, and I guess for poll purposes:
I am a Blu Ray supporter despite not (yet) having picked up a PS3 or an HDTV yet.
I do however own 4 movies:
Casino Royale
Crank
The Departed
Terminator 2
I am ready for HD and when I went to buy these DVDs I just couldn't get myself to get the DVD when I had already set the plan in motion.
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I am a Blu Ray supporter despite not (yet) having picked up a PS3 or an HDTV yet.
I do however own 4 movies:
Casino Royale
Crank
The Departed
Terminator 2
I am ready for HD and when I went to buy these DVDs I just couldn't get myself to get the DVD when I had already set the plan in motion.
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JediMasterMatt
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Mark me down for all formats. I've rocked most all of the home theater formats over the years. VHS/Beta/LD/DVD/HD-DVD/BluRay
I don't care which format wins as long as they both quickly go to day and date releases for all future titles and we see a consistent release of catalog titles.
I've got over 1000 DVDs and still have 150ish LDs. Only a handful of BluRay and HD-DVD though because I haven't been compelled to re-purchase older titles unless they have lossless or uncompressed PCM audio and a hell of a good transfer.
I don't care which format wins as long as they both quickly go to day and date releases for all future titles and we see a consistent release of catalog titles.
I've got over 1000 DVDs and still have 150ish LDs. Only a handful of BluRay and HD-DVD though because I haven't been compelled to re-purchase older titles unless they have lossless or uncompressed PCM audio and a hell of a good transfer.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Onix said:
So where to start.
You're a serious AV nut and I respect that. Sure, the numbers now show Blu-Ray in the lead over HD DVD, I'm not saying that HD DVD is outselling Blu-Ray, I'm simpling saying "Brand" name wise, HD DVD makes more sense than "Blu-Ray". Advertised or not, the progression of TV - > HDTV. DVD - > HD DVD. Consumers are making the call on which they like and they like Blu-Ray at this point.
Better picture quality is debatable on all platforms and at all levels. Chances are if I got a PS3 and put it up on my 46" DLP and did 720p/1080i difference between my X360 HD DVD and a PS3 Blu-Ray disc, me personally, I wouldn't see the difference.
Bit rate, compression, upscaling all that "shit" that hardcore AV guys care about, I could care less about. When I watch Serenity in HD DVD, my jaw drops each and every time because quite frankly it looks awesome. That's what the formats are about, better picture, sound and overall movie experience.
I find it funny that people are quick to dismiss the whole Beta Vs VHS comparo's. Beta "clearly" at the time had better picture fidelity, cost more per copy and the machines to play the movies were expensive for the home consumer market in the 80's. Sony has always been looking for an opportunity to revisit the Beta vs. VHS doomsday scenario again and this is what we're caught in the middle of.
Studios, movie producers and execs paid and/or paying to have their choice movie on a specific format. It's really no shocker as backing one or the other is going to give movie studios more money and in the end, ultimately hurt us the consumers. Sure there's the choice of either/or however that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be cool to have a hybrid format.
That said, being a movie buff, it's too bad that a format couldn't be agreed upon but like I said, Sony is stubborn. Further proof of that is their UMD format.
I have a 360 HD-DVD player and i'll get a PS3 in a year or two when it drops in price and the games stop sucking.
There's a few movies I want in High Def, Animation, Documentaries, and the occasional one off like 300 or Sin City. Maybe Kill Bill.
In general though I don't truely support either camp because VOD is going to grind them both into the dust.
There's a few movies I want in High Def, Animation, Documentaries, and the occasional one off like 300 or Sin City. Maybe Kill Bill.
In general though I don't truely support either camp because VOD is going to grind them both into the dust.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Blu-Ray.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Onix said:
Really? Beta was a format owned by Sony from the get go and UMD was a format owned by Sony from the get go and introduced by Sony. Blu-Ray is another format introduced by Sony and now splits the market in two between HD DVD and Blu-Ray.
That said, I'm simply pointing out the fact that Sony likes to introduce quite a few formats for it's media.
Spiderjericho
Member
Bluray.
Initially, I bought a HD-DVD drive add-on for the Xbox 360. But looking at the install base of the PS3, the studio support, I have now switched exclusively to Bluray (anyone looking for the 360 addon and movies).
Initially, I bought a HD-DVD drive add-on for the Xbox 360. But looking at the install base of the PS3, the studio support, I have now switched exclusively to Bluray (anyone looking for the 360 addon and movies).
Erdrick
Member
I have a PS3, so I support Blu Ray. I prefer Sony electronics as a brand anyway. My sound systems, computers and televisions will attest to this.
Anyway I own 21 thus far including:
Terminator
Terminator 2
Total Recall
The Tailor Of Panama
Kingdom Of Heaven
Enemy Of The State
The Transporter
The Transporter 2
Crank
The Italian Job
Talladega Nights: Ricky Bobby (The PS3 pack in.)
Rambo: First Blood
Reservoir Dogs
Sleepy Hollow
Layer Cake
Rocky
The Fugitive
The Departed
Goodfellas
Casino Royale
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
I never bought many DVD's over the years, so buying them now is rather painless for me. They look real nice on my HDTV too, so yeah. BR makes more sense for me.
Anyway I own 21 thus far including:
Terminator
Terminator 2
Total Recall
The Tailor Of Panama
Kingdom Of Heaven
Enemy Of The State
The Transporter
The Transporter 2
Crank
The Italian Job
Talladega Nights: Ricky Bobby (The PS3 pack in.)
Rambo: First Blood
Reservoir Dogs
Sleepy Hollow
Layer Cake
Rocky
The Fugitive
The Departed
Goodfellas
Casino Royale
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
I never bought many DVD's over the years, so buying them now is rather painless for me. They look real nice on my HDTV too, so yeah. BR makes more sense for me.
The Main Event
Member
Onix said:
Sony already had a format called Professional Disc for DATA (PDD) that evolved eventually into the Blu-ray Discs. Several companies then joined into the development to make it a consumer product.
So while it's true that the final product is from several partners, the origin and the sole reason that the format exists is because of Sony.
The Main Event said:
Certainly the genesis of BluRay was Sony, I'm not arguing that. Beyond being a CE company, I would argue that Sony is first and foremost and R&D company.
However, this isnÂ’t a situation where they created a platform and shopped it around for licensees. They created an initial core technology, and then went the route of getting partners to fund and R&D what became the finished consumer platform. That is far different from simply getting CE and studio support for a device they made.
Cheesemeister
Member
Even though I own a PS3, I refuse to buy any HD movie disks until:
1. This silly format war is decided or made a wash by hybrid players.
2. I own a big ol' 1080p native HDTV... Holding off now because I'm thinking about moving to Japan in a year or two.
In the meantime, the only DVDs I'll buy are TV shows, as they were originally broadcast in 480i anyway. Some movies might sneak through, like V for Vendetta a few months ago. I absolutely refuse to pick up any of the epic series (LOTR, SW, etc., etc.) on DVD and will play the waiting game. Double-dipping on those would be too much.
1. This silly format war is decided or made a wash by hybrid players.
2. I own a big ol' 1080p native HDTV... Holding off now because I'm thinking about moving to Japan in a year or two.
In the meantime, the only DVDs I'll buy are TV shows, as they were originally broadcast in 480i anyway. Some movies might sneak through, like V for Vendetta a few months ago. I absolutely refuse to pick up any of the epic series (LOTR, SW, etc., etc.) on DVD and will play the waiting game. Double-dipping on those would be too much.
Cold-Steel
Member
Player: Sony PlayStation 3 60GB
Titles: 1
-Casino Royale
Possible Future Purchases:
-The Departed
-Kingdom of Heaven
-The Prestige
-Black Hawk Down
-Tears of the Sun
Onix said:
HD/AV fans are likely to have bought into HDDVD intiially as it was available first and was cheaper, with good quality discs out straight away. From that initial investment, if they consider 'one format' as good, its natural that their preference is for bluray to go away.
I hear lots of times, people say all it needs is for those bluray exclusive studios to go neutral and bluray would lose. Although technically they are correct, they always seem to miss the point that if that was the case, surely it only takes *one* studio to go neutral (i.e. Universal) for it to swing the other way.
Rabid Wolverine
Member
Was a HD-DVD supporter at first, sold the movies and the player.
Blu-Ray Supporter Now.
Titles owned:
Superman
Superman II Donner Cut
Superman Returns
On the Way:
PS3 60GB version (next Friday)
Casino Royale (whenever Sony sends out the Free Copy)
Blu-Ray Supporter Now.
Titles owned:
Superman
Superman II Donner Cut
Superman Returns
On the Way:
PS3 60GB version (next Friday)
Casino Royale (whenever Sony sends out the Free Copy)
SonicMegaDrive
Member
You're asking a video game forum. Of course, the majority are going to say Blu-Ray.
That being said, I'm perfectly contect with my DVDs.
That being said, I'm perfectly contect with my DVDs.
Blu-Ray (PlayStation 3)
Casino Royale
Talledega Nights (Pack-in)
HD-DVD (Xbox 360 Player)
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta
Superman Returns
King Kong (Pack-in)
I purchased the HD-DVD Player before buying a PS3. Now, I'm thinking of selling the HD-DVD player and movies. I didn't really make an educated decision in the beginning... I had just purchased an HDTV, and I already owned a 360. So, I just went ahead with HD-DVD.
I don't have a preference in terms of the technology, but now, I'm starting to sway towards Blu-Ray because of the content. Universal Studios holds many of my favorite films in their catalog (mainly Spielberg--but I know how that is), but they're not really pushing any new releases that appeal to me. It seems like they are banking solely on their classics, and I'm not willing to rebuy all of my DVD collection... Blu-Ray has a bit more in the pipeline that stands out to me, however. The weekly releases are more plentiful. There's more variety, and the catalog is much more contemporary--bolstered by some great day-and-date with DVD new releases.
I've been trying to hold off on buying into anything else, though, now that my excitement for my new HDTV has died down. I'm hoping in a few more weeks the projected winner will be a bit more clear. Casino Royale's sales on Amazon have been a strong signal towards Blu-Ray's success. It makes me feel a bit easier about buying more Blu-Ray movies, but hopefully, I can hold out a while longer.
Casino Royale
Talledega Nights (Pack-in)
HD-DVD (Xbox 360 Player)
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta
Superman Returns
King Kong (Pack-in)
I purchased the HD-DVD Player before buying a PS3. Now, I'm thinking of selling the HD-DVD player and movies. I didn't really make an educated decision in the beginning... I had just purchased an HDTV, and I already owned a 360. So, I just went ahead with HD-DVD.
I don't have a preference in terms of the technology, but now, I'm starting to sway towards Blu-Ray because of the content. Universal Studios holds many of my favorite films in their catalog (mainly Spielberg--but I know how that is), but they're not really pushing any new releases that appeal to me. It seems like they are banking solely on their classics, and I'm not willing to rebuy all of my DVD collection... Blu-Ray has a bit more in the pipeline that stands out to me, however. The weekly releases are more plentiful. There's more variety, and the catalog is much more contemporary--bolstered by some great day-and-date with DVD new releases.
I've been trying to hold off on buying into anything else, though, now that my excitement for my new HDTV has died down. I'm hoping in a few more weeks the projected winner will be a bit more clear. Casino Royale's sales on Amazon have been a strong signal towards Blu-Ray's success. It makes me feel a bit easier about buying more Blu-Ray movies, but hopefully, I can hold out a while longer.
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