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Blue Reflection Steam storescreens at 720p, hilarity ensues [Supports 4K, 144FPS]
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They must be aiming for middle of the road iGPU laptops to run their games, acting as if gaming PCs are unicorns and real power users are on consoles. Only way this makes any sort of sense.
(I actually do think they have this weird notion of PC being a casual entry point for people who don't want to buy consoles too, not realizing you can make them absolute beasts.)
(I actually do think they have this weird notion of PC being a casual entry point for people who don't want to buy consoles too, not realizing you can make them absolute beasts.)
For Koei Tecmo game fans it can be a somber truth rather than a troll.
You're joking about this but that's not an unreasonable assumption depending on where their selling. I had access to a PC for years before I owned a console because my sisters needed a PC for college.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
But Y.
I do not understand.
I do not understand.
Given we're talking about Japan, maybe that's actually true there.
That is why there is something like quality settings in PC games.
Put the 720p assets in if you really want to. ALONGSIDE the high quality stuff.
Yeah, "actually think" meant I wasn't really joking, though perhaps "weird" wasn't the word to use in that context. Rather, what is weird is acting as if this "I'll play it on this because it's what I have" is the only target that matters while higher end users are irrelevant, and acting as if scaling graphical options aren't there to accommodate both low and high end users.
Given PC Gaming's state there? Yeah, I've had the thought for awhile for that reason, along with the fact we've seen it here too at times though that's largely gone (remember that well liked Spider Man 2 PS2/Xbox/GC game? They put out an entirely different, worse, lower end game on PC that was simpler and for kids instead of just porting the damn thing. The same type of assumption has to be at the core there.)
Abilidebob
Member
The decision to stop buying KT ports really was a good one. At this point I don't even try to understand how or why they keep doing it, I already accepted that they'll keep doing stupid shit.
John Caboose
Member
We would like to close our correspondence for your inquiry.
It's more likely that they can't even get the game to run on PC at PS4 quality than them targetting iGPU. :>
Atelier Firis, with its lower resolution 2D assets, downgraded lighting, missing ambient occlusion and shadows issues, struggles to run at 40~fps at 4K on a GTX 1080.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/527290/discussions/0/1458455461477255061/#c1458455461498094894
Retro Edge
Member
Azure Dream
Member
KT's needlessly crippled PC ports continue. DOA5 was crappy enough as it was.
Ballistic Peanut
Neo Member
Welp, I'm glad I don't have a ton of interest in KT's games. Out of all the Japanese devs they seem to the worst PC ports out of the bunch.
Given how small the PC enthusiast market is in Japan, I doubt any thought of a PC port would be entertained without factoring in the viability of western markets, first.
Which makes this situation even more puzzling.
But you can include both 720p and 1080p assets... And just have an option to choose between the two. That's how graphical settings work.
But to tell you the truth, half the graphical options in Koei Tecmo games do nothing and/or actually cause lower performance without actually having anything to show for that lower performance. This is especially prevelant in Omega Force assembly line games.
But to tell you the truth, half the graphical options in Koei Tecmo games do nothing and/or actually cause lower performance without actually having anything to show for that lower performance. This is especially prevelant in Omega Force assembly line games.
family_guy
Member
PC game development is hard.
-MD-
Member
You must be a big Koei Tecmo fan for this to be the reason.
Nah, expect it to be $60/60, maybe with a 10% launch discount if lucky.
Koei Tecmo Fans on STEAM will review bomb back with positives and thumbs down actual performance reviews of games along with insulting and threatening said reviewers. They will call you ungrateful and entitled as well. At least they have a pretty loyal fanbase.
OK ... went to check some gameplays to find where all the 2D Assets they were talking about are and didnt really found them ... Conversations are pretty much 3D cutsenes with occasional click , and battle UI and stuff is basically just UI boxes on top of 3D background of the game :-/
me confused .. what the hell they mean by 2D assets?
me confused .. what the hell they mean by 2D assets?
Leafhopper
Banned
Surprised it took 300 posts.
Textures are 2D assets as well, I guess?
1st page had something along the lines of "lol pc gaming" which seemed to rattle a particular user.
i guess i though its like in Atelier where its mostly art stuff in menus and such ... i guess we will see tomorrow
pretty done
Member
eh, about the same Tecmo put into their PC ports.
No idea about Firis, but Atelier Sophie had some lower quality textures:
maabus1999
Member
I still don't know if the Vita is using 720p assets; the screen is 544p. It would be a lot more strain on the processor depending on what the "assets" are just to supersample the graphics.
This whole decision still doesn't make sense as described. They had to go out of their way somewhere to make these 720p assets, unless like I wondered earlier the assets were always 720p and they did something specific within the PS4 to upscale the assets.
Leafhopper
Banned
True but, I mean specifically someone naming the PS4.
One of the One Piece games was the Vita version or worse than the Vita version actually.
Forget which one it was though.
They're making an unreleased PS3 version and porting it to PC, of course. :3
Someone in a position of authority at K-T Japan is actively and tirelessly working to sabotage their PC releases.
Doesn't sound plausible? Well, it still seems more viable than any other scenario I can come up with.
No that game has all the assets including PS4.
The graphic options are just broken so no matter what you choose, it will always be Vita level.
Leafhopper
Banned
Oh is that what it was? My mistake. I just remember a One Piece game being pretty bad.
That sucks though.
"We have used the 720p assets for the PC port and have also locked the game's resolution to 1080p. This does not mean it maxes out at 1080p, it means it will only let you choose 1080p. If your monitor is a lower resolution the game will be cropped. We hope you will accept this."
I'm considering keeping 60 in my steam wallet just so I always have the money at hand post a review of K-T newest release then get a refound and repeat the process for their next release.
Honest question: Would you be willing to work with KT if they offered, or are you just so turned off by their releases that you wouldn't be interested?
facepalm007
Member
I totally expected K-T to fuck up another PC port and they didn't disappoint me. I'm already getting the game for the PS4 since I was burned one too many times by K-T's ports.
It sucks being a GUST fan with a PC and not being able to experience their games at a super high resolution/framerate with all the bells and whistle their art and character models deserve.
It sucks being a GUST fan with a PC and not being able to experience their games at a super high resolution/framerate with all the bells and whistle their art and character models deserve.
NullPointer
Member
I don't understand... like at all.
What possible logic could they be using here?
I mean, there's got to be some reason for this right?
What possible logic could they be using here?
I mean, there's got to be some reason for this right?
Sure I would (provided I have the authority not to be actively hindered), I'm not one to stand in the way of a better PC port.
Rosa Lilium
Neo Member
It does sound a fair bit more attractive to me to exclusively game on console rather than constantly spending an exorbitant amount of energy worrying about whether your platform's version of the game is the absolute best.
Ironically, I have a feeling that this game is going to do significantly better than previous Koei-Tecmo/Gust ports, if for the simple reason that they're finally supporting Chinese.
Ironically, I have a feeling that this game is going to do significantly better than previous Koei-Tecmo/Gust ports, if for the simple reason that they're finally supporting Chinese.
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