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[IceCold]

what I dont get is, why did Walt make a copy of Jesse's ricin cigarette? Why couldnt he just use the original one?

Because he might need the ricin to kill someone at some point?

 

[LM4sure]

No. Jesse THOUGHT Brock got ahold of the ricin. He didn't. Walt poisoned Brock with the Lily of the Valley plant.

Ahhhh yes. Now I remember! So how did Walt administer the poison? And how did Walt get the cigarette back? And why did he get it back?

So many questions. Fuck me!

 

[Greecian-]

what I dont get is, why did Walt make a copy of Jesse's ricin cigarette? Why couldnt he just use the original one?

He didn't want to use the original one because he wanted to save the ricin for another time. That's why he hid it behind the outlet.

 

[Greecian-]

Ahhhh yes. Now I remember! So how did Walt administer the poison? And how did Walt get the cigarette back? And why did he get it back?

So many questions. Fuck me!

It isn't clear how Walt got Brock to eat the berries. Saul gave Walt the cigarette back in the first episode of season 5. The whole point was to make Jesse think that Gus poisoned Brock.

 

[AlexSmash]

I still dont get the whole Ricin thing plotwise?

Who had it in the first Place to kill Gus?
How did it get lost?
Who knows that Walt poisoned Brock?
How did it led up in the vacuum robot thing?

s4 is too far away i guess. have to rewatch.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I still dont get the whole Ricin thing plotwise?

Who had it in the first Place to kill Gus?
How did it get lost?
Who knows that Walt poisoned Brock?
How did it led up in the vacuum robot thing?

s4 is too far away i guess. have to rewatch.

Walt and Jesse came up with the plan to kill Gus with the Ricin in the cig. Jesse had it and was supposed to do it.

Gus turns Jesse against Walt

Walt poisons brock with the plant to make Jesse think Gus did it, to get him back on his side. Huell patted down Jesse and exchanged the cigarette boxes and took the one with the ricin, and then gave it back to Walt this season.

No one knows except Walt and Saul what happened to Brock.

Walt put it in the vacuum to setup Jesse "finding" it so they can put that issue to bed.

 

[LM4sure]

Walt and Jesse came up with the plan to kill Gus with the Ricin in the cig. Jesse had it and was supposed to do it.

Gus turns Jesse against Walt

Walt poisons brock with the plant to make Jesse think Gus did it, to get him back on his side. Huell patted down Jesse and exchanged the cigarette boxes and took the one with the ricin, and then gave it back to Walt this season.

No one knows except Walt and Saul what happened to Brock.

Walt put it in the vacuum to setup Jesse "finding" it so they can put that issue to bed.

So did Jesse think that Gus used that plant to poison Brock? Or he just assumed Brock ate them on his own thinking they were safe to eat?

 

[CygnusXS]

So uh, when was Hank reinstated to the DEA? He was suspended indefinitely in One Minute, and then... he's an agent again.

Did getting shot give him an automatic pass on beating a suspect? Or was it a reward for being right about Gus?

 

[AlexSmash]

Walt and Jesse came up with the plan to kill Gus with the Ricin in the cig. Jesse had it and was supposed to do it.

Gus turns Jesse against Walt

Walt poisons brock with the plant to make Jesse think Gus did it, to get him back on his side. Huell patted down Jesse and exchanged the cigarette boxes and took the one with the ricin, and then gave it back to Walt this season.

No one knows except Walt and Saul what happened to Brock.

Walt put it in the vacuum to setup Jesse "finding" it so they can put that issue to bed.

thanks!

the scene when jesse starts to cry and apologize is my personal favourite scene of this season.
really great and at the same time hard to watch.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

So did Jesse think that Gus used that plant to poison Brock? Or he just assumed Brock ate them on his own thinking they were safe to eat?

He was told by the doctor this was a common occurrence.

 

[Poimandres]

thanks!

the scene when jesse starts to cry and apologize is my personal favourite scene of this season.
really great and at the same time hard to watch.

Very powerful stuff. I felt so bad for Jesse.

Walt, on the other hand, looked like one cold son of a bitch when that was happening. In the past he's shown some sort of emotional reaction to Jesse in distress.... but now?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

So did Jesse think that Gus used that plant to poison Brock? Or he just assumed Brock ate them on his own thinking they were safe to eat?

nope, but when Jesse found out Gus didn't do it and told Walt, Walt said what happened was still for the best. They shook hands. And here we are!

 

[Sentenza]

Walt, on the other hand, looked like one cold son of a bitch when that was happening. In the past he's shown some sort of emotional reaction to Jesse in distress.... but now?

He didn't strike me as extremely cold, to be honest.
Sure, he kept lying to maintain the appearances, but he seemed extremely uncomfortable with the whole thing, and (rightfully) ashamed by it.

 

[ToyMachine228]

So uh, when was Hank reinstated to the DEA? He was suspended indefinitely in One Minute, and then... he's an agent again.

Did getting shot give him an automatic pass on beating a suspect? Or was it a reward for being right about Gus?

I've wondered about this a little bit myself. Jesse didn't press charges in the end, so that was cleared up, but they didn't make it clear that he had been reinstated. He even gave that speech about how he was done being cop. He obviously had a change of heart, but it does appear that he is a DEA agent again considering that he's walking around crime scenes and what have you.

 

[Poimandres]

He didn't strike me as extremely cold, to be honest.
Sure, he kept lying to maintain the appearances, but he seemed extremely uncomfortable with the whole thing, and (rightfully) embarrassed by it.

Maybe I should watch it again and pay more attention to Walt. Jesse killed it in that scene though.

Of course he needs to play his role... but I expected him to look a little more remorseful, even if it was just for a moment.

 

[woodchuck]

what's the over/under on when Walt is going to use the Ricin cigarette that he hid.

I say in the last episode of this half of the season, it'll come back in play somehow

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

what's the over/under on when Walt is going to use the Ricin cigarette that he hid.

I say in the last episode of this half of the season, it'll come back in play somehow

he'll use it on jesse.

Full circle.

Poetry.

For real though, I say he uses it sometime this half of the season.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

he'll use it on jesse.

Full circle.

Poetry.

For real though, I say he uses it sometime this half of the season.

You keep that shit in BatGAF where it belongs!

 

[Puddles]

You surely meant the best.
At this point he's probably the most human, complex, well-rounded, interesting hero on TV.

Fixed that for you. But you're absolutely correct.

I don't understand all the "Walt is the worst in Season 5" posts. He hasn't done anything villainous at all in these two episodes. At least wait for him to poison another kid or something, Jesus.

The MOST you can say he's done is creep out Skyler, and that's only if you're going with (what I would consider to be) the incorrect interpretation of those scenes.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

You keep that shit in BatGAF where it belongs!

full circles and poetry are powerful agents for the uninitiated. But we are initiated!

 

[Citizen_Insane]

Oh my god.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Gus is nothing more than foreshadowing to who Walt is going to become, it has been a slow burn but by the time this show ends we will see it come full circle.

Walt will murder someone for no other reason than to instill fear in someone, mark my words. It will happen.

Ted?

 

[Forsaken82]

what I dont get is, why did Walt make a copy of Jesse's ricin cigarette? Why couldnt he just use the original one?

I think it is pretty obvious that this question will answer itself in one of the next 14 episodes... (if not 6 of this first half)

 

[Vyer]

Full Heisenberg Walt feels strange. Obviously the show has been leading to it all along but it feels as though we've watched this long marathon to get here but between the end of S4 and now we skipped over the home stretch. It's like his interactions with everyone now are in Bond villain mode.

 

[bonesquad]

He didn't strike me as extremely cold, to be honest.
Sure, he kept lying to maintain the appearances, but he seemed extremely uncomfortable with the whole thing, and (rightfully) ashamed by it.

Ashamed? That's one step from being regretful for what he did. No way. The fact he fooled you into thinking that maybe he was being comforting, is just how cold Heisenberg has become. Doing and acting as needed to further his power.

Fixed that for you. But you're absolutely correct.

I don't understand all the "Walt is the worst in Season 5" posts. He hasn't done anything villainous at all in these two episodes. At least wait for him to poison another kid or something, Jesus.

The MOST you can say he's done is creep out Skyler, and that's only if you're going with (what I would consider to be) the incorrect interpretation of those scenes.

I missed it, what is the correct interpretation? That there is still some of Walt left there inside? Walt isn't at his worst when he's shooting drug dealers in the head. He's at his worst when he's being a manipulative bastard to further his power driven ego. And he's done quite well this season at it. There is no going back. Any 'redemption' by Walt will only come about because he gets caught, loses all his money, ect. He's not suddenly going to say enough is enough and turn good.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Full Heisenberg Walt feels strange. Obviously the show has been leading to it all along but it feels as though we've watched this long marathon to get here but between the end of S4 and now we skipped over the home stretch. It's like his interactions with everyone now are in Bond villain mode.

I mentioned that earlier. I said it's clear we're being manipulated by the writers in the early going of this season. Both Mike, Jesse, and even Skyler have all been given moments of humanity (despite them all doing pretty bad things, some terrible things before) while Walt has only been given moments of the complete opposite.

But it's fair, I'm not complaining just pointing it out. They know this is the final stretch of episodes, they need to get things going if they want what they've planned out to make sense. And Crawl Space + defeat of gus could have been tipping point enough they figured. And that can easily be argued. It's all good. It is a bit jarring when you think about it, but hey, they amped it up like Walt did the magnets to tip the truck over, lulz. Started off slowly turning the dial, and then just let er rip.

Full circle.

 

[Puddles]

I missed it, what is the correct interpretation? That there is still some of Walt left there inside?

Indeed. I believe that he still genuinely loves Skyler. He just has a rather odd way of showing it at this point.

 

[VASPER]

Reading a early post i realized that when Hank and his DEA boss and partner were talking over drinks, the chief talked about Gus being right under his nose and i got the feeling from the scene that Hank might be thinking the same or a though on something to come.

 

[squidyj]

what I dont get is, why did Walt make a copy of Jesse's ricin cigarette? Why couldnt he just use the original one?

Because he wanted to have some ricin on hand in case Brock got hungry.

 

[snack]

After watching Breaking Bad, this is the way I see RVs now...

 

[Vyer]

I mentioned that earlier. I said it's clear we're being manipulated by the writers in the early going of this season. Both Mike, Jesse, and even Skyler have all been given moments of humanity (despite them all doing pretty bad things, some terrible things before) while Walt has only been given moments of the complete opposite.

But it's fair, I'm not complaining just pointing it out. They know this is the final stretch of episodes, they need to get things going if they want what they've planned out to make sense. And Crawl Space + defeat of gus could have been tipping point enough they figured.And that can easily be argued. It's all good. It is a bit jarring when you think about it, but hey, they amped it up like Walt did the magnets to tip the truck over, lulz. Started off slowly turning the dial, and then just let er rip.

Full circle.

Poetry?

Seriously though, I can see that and yeah it's certainly too early to call. It would just be a little disappointing if the bolded turns out to be true, as the show has done such an amazing job taking us along Walt's journey to this point.

 

[Sentenza]

Ashamed? That's one step from being regretful for what he did. No way. The fact he fooled you into thinking that maybe he was being comforting, is just how cold Heisenberg has become. Doing and acting as needed to further his power.

Uh, no, quite the opposite, his effort of being "comforting" was damn weak and unconvincing, while embarrass and discomfort were all over his face.

It was like "Holy shit, I feel so out of place doing this".

 

[smokeymicpot]

Reading a early post i realized that when Hank and his DEA boss and partner were talking over drinks, the chief talked about Gus being right under his nose and i got the feeling from the scene that Hank might be thinking the same or a though on something to come.

Same but I thought it as a story that sticks in your head. Next time him and Walt talk it will click.

 

[The Hermit]

Uh, no, quite the opposite, his effort of being "comforting" was damn weak and unconvincing, while embarrass and discomfort were all over his face.

It was like "Holy shit, I feel so out of place doing this".

exactly.
He doesn't care about no one, except himself. Jesse is just his favorite toy.

I just rewatched and this could be on my top 10 episodes. So awesome and so dark...

 

[Beelzeboss]

Full Heisenberg Walt feels strange. Obviously the show has been leading to it all along but it feels as though we've watched this long marathon to get here but between the end of S4 and now we skipped over the home stretch. It's like his interactions with everyone now are in Bond villain mode.

It is pretty strange. I watched the show for the first time and caught up before season 4 ended and you could always see a little of the old Walt somewhere especially around the family. Then when the poison stuff started to happen it really felt like the writers were hitting us over the head with Heisenberg.

I was hoping they were gonna explain the change this season but it is still early. So far we've gotten that Jesse James line from Mike and that's about it.

 

[UrbanRats]

You surely meant the best.
At this point he's probably the most human, complex, well-rounded, interesting villain on TV.

Good written character, but horrible human being, is what i'm saying.

 

[Puddles]

I mentioned that earlier. I said it's clear we're being manipulated by the writers in the early going of this season. Both Mike, Jesse, and even Skyler have all been given moments of humanity (despite them all doing pretty bad things, some terrible things before) while Walt has only been given moments of the complete opposite.

But it's fair, I'm not complaining just pointing it out. They know this is the final stretch of episodes, they need to get things going if they want what they've planned out to make sense. And Crawl Space + defeat of gus could have been tipping point enough they figured. And that can easily be argued. It's all good. It is a bit jarring when you think about it, but hey, they amped it up like Walt did the magnets to tip the truck over, lulz. Started off slowly turning the dial, and then just let er rip.

Full circle.

I disagree that Walt has only been giving moments of the complete opposite, but I do agree that the writers are being manipulative.

It's pretty clear that the idea of "taking Mr. Chips and turning him into Scarface" was a bit beyond this show's ability. Either that or Cranston was just too damn good at making Walt a likable protagonist. Anyway, they got close to the end of four seasons without Walt really doing anything indisputably villainous.

At that point, they must have realized that the gimmick transformation wasn't happening quickly enough, so they had him poison Brock at the end of Season 4 and then had all the other characters react to him as though he were Hannibal Lecter in Season 5.

It cheapens the show to a certain extent, but I'm still on board until the end.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

and then had all the other characters react to him as though he were Hannibal Lecter in Season 5.

lol I don't know about the rest but I laughed abnormally hard at this. Because it's true. Last season if Walt murdered a grandmother and her grandchild at the park I would think it was a reach, but this season I feel like they've jumped so forward I could see it happening next ep.

Spoiler

And I'd still root for him. #dealwithit #teamWalt

 

[CygnusXS]

I've wondered about this a little bit myself. Jesse didn't press charges in the end, so that was cleared up, but they didn't make it clear that he had been reinstated. He even gave that speech about how he was done being cop. He obviously had a change of heart, but it does appear that he is a DEA agent again considering that he's walking around crime scenes and what have you.

It's honestly bugging the shit out of me. The show's usually good about properly connecting the dots and so far they appear to have dropped the ball on this.

It's like this one certain scene from season 1 of The Wire that is logically impossible, and drives me nuts every time I do a rewatch since it's unrealistic portrayal doesn't fit in with the hyper realism of the show.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

He was SUSPENDED. Not kicked off the DEA.

 

[CygnusXS]

He was SUSPENDED. Not kicked off the DEA.

Yeah, did you see the part where I used the word "indefinitely"? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I don't remember there being a time-table placed on it.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Yeah, did you see the part where I used the word "indefinitely"? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I don't remember there being a time-table placed on it.

but I don't get why this is such a plot hole or whatever. He was suspended. Time passed. He was able to come back. Indefinitely doesn't mean never. Indefinitely just means for an unspecified period of time. Well apparently that time passed.

 

[CrocMother]

I've been getting a serious Godfather part II vibe from this show for a while in regards to Walt and his family.

Anyone else feel that?

 

[metalslimer]

It's honestly bugging the shit out of me. The show's usually good about properly connecting the dots and so far they appear to have dropped the ball on this.

It's like this one certain scene from season 1 of The Wire that is logically impossible, and drives me nuts every time I do a rewatch since it's unrealistic portrayal doesn't fit in with the hyper realism of the show.

What scene is this? Besides some crazy shit from the last season I don't remember ever doing the OH COME ON thing I usually do with every show.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

So is every episode going to end that way? Depressing shit? :/

 

[CygnusXS]

but I don't get why this is such a plot hole or whatever. He was suspended. Time passed. He was able to come back. Indefinitely doesn't mean never. Indefinitely just means for an unspecified period of time. Well apparently that time passed.

The timeline is basically:

Gets suspended > gets shot > in hospital > in bed > rocks > trips to Pollos Hermanos > crackpot theories presented to his former boss (appears to still be on suspension) > anonymous death threat > gus blows up > hank's back on the job!

There just feels like there's a step missing. Where's the "welcome back" scene? Admitting to seriously beating a suspect without provocation seems like it should carry a little more long term gravity to it, and as you may have gleaned from my last post, I like The Wire and I am used to realistic logistics being presented.

 

[Reg]

season is off to a great start

 

[Socreges]

It's like this one certain scene from season 1 of The Wire that is logically impossible, and drives me nuts every time I do a rewatch since it's unrealistic portrayal doesn't fit in with the hyper realism of the show.

Which one?

 

[BPRD]

I wonder where they decide to make the new meth lab... anyone have any guesses?

After talking with my friend about how dumb skyler was for giving most of Walts money away to that idiot Ted, and laundering money through a car wash. IT HIT ME!

The meth lab could be under the car wash! what are your ideas on possible locations?