You aren't wrong. I want to play again but I don't want their anticheat. I don't trust it and don't like it having that much access to my system. Destiny 2 was a great game, I don't know what caused Bungie to jump the shark the way they did but it went downhill fast.
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Bungie ends development on Destiny 2
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Bro, your good, don't apologize. Everything you said is so valid.
Darchaos
Gold Member
Yeah i cant belive how they managed to fuck it up this bad, Destiny had so much more to give but they couldnt handle it and just got in full sell-out mode instead.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It was Halo meets Phantasy Star Online. Such a shame.
clarky
Gold Member
Whats a shame? The game had a ten year plan and while it had its off moments it absolutely delivered. Everything comes to an end, shame they just dragged it out a year or two too much. Same shit with Halo should have ended with 3. Reach was shit, I don't care what anyone says that series peaked at 3 and should have ended when we finished the fight.
Raise a toast to a great franchise and great memories, not the shitty end bit. Like most deaths and funerals the end bit is usually the worst. Remember the good times.
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
A good end to Destiny 2 would be restoring all the gutted content. In this respect Destiny 1 is a much more complete experience after support has ended.
And the comment I made has very little to do with Halo but rather with all of Destiny's myriad systems it has a lot in common with PSO and may as well be a FPS PSO all the way down to the 3 class system that each had it's pros and cons.
clarky
Gold Member
D2 should have ended with TFS, I think everyone is agrement with that. Personally I don't give a shit about half the stuff they took out, I played most of it to death and the stuff I didn't I have zero desire to play again, the red war campaign for example.
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Hawk The Slayer
Member
About damn time especially with the Marathon garbage. They haven't been good since the Halo 1 to 3 days. Went downhill after that and Marathon was the last straw but they were already bad even before Marathon.
sainraja
Member
I am disappointed just as much you are. And maybe there are multiple factors at play here (some we will never know) but with the last set of expansions it seemed like bungie wasn't able to please the customer base in a substantial way. They probably saw the writing on the wall based on whatever metrics they were tracking (or inadvertently made that into reality) and placed their bets on supporting Destiny with a small team and working on a new game. Both choices didn't exactly play out the way they hoped and here we are.
People stopped playing. Bungie moved on. And now we are stuck with version 2. Nothing lasts forever. It was good while it lasted. Really good. Eyes up, Guardian
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Bernardougf
Member
Never played destiny so I would definitely be down for a D1 remaster with the whole content.
If only Sony had a studio specialized in remakes/remasters.
If only Sony had a studio specialized in remakes/remasters.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Absolute travesty what Bungie has become and how they did their loyal Destiny player base dirty.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Legitimate question. Where would you have liked the series to go? What would constitute a reboot worthy of Destiny 3? I guess I'm asking because after all these years. What did we not get from the series. I think we got everything we wanted in some way or the other. They were still making content but people were done.
The well ran dry. If they made a Destiny 3 what would make it different enough to warrant starting again? I think Bungie did everything most people wanted out of the game at some time. I feel like if we got a new Destiny game people wouldn't be happy. Not enough content, mostly the same as the series in the past, etc. Still can't get matchmaking right
The game was good even great for some of us. I don't know if another series will ever top Destiny for me. But I do know, it's ok to move on to something else.
Edit: removed two I accidentally tagged in quote.
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LordCBH
Member
Legitimate question. Where would you have liked the series to go? What would constitute a reboot worthy of Destiny 3? I guess I'm asking because after all these years. What did we not get from the series. I think we got everything we wanted in some way or the other. They were still making content but people were done.
The well ran dry. If they made a Destiny 3 what would make it different enough to warrant starting again? I think Bungie did everything most people wanted out of the game at some time. I feel like if we got a new Destiny game people wouldn't be happy. Not enough content, mostly the same as the series in the past, etc. Still can't get matchmaking right
The game was good even great for some of us. I don't know if another series will ever top Destiny for me. But I do know, it's ok to move on to something else.
Edit: removed two I accidentally tagged in quote.
I'm not entirely certain yet. Right now I would just like to see the new story they started get finished. For the numerous faults in the Edge of Fate expansion, the story, I think, wasn't one and I would have loved to see what they had planned for as a follow up to the things that DLC started.
Edit: and also wanted to see something done with Xivu. Built up across the lore and several seasons and some minor storylines here and there, and those plot threads are just abandoned now. The Hive god of war could have made for a pretty solid raid imo
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Raven117
Member
Same. Gawd those were fun days. (And I wasn't a kid but a grown ass adult playing that with my other adult friends!)
Raven117
Member
Probably more "who was left couldn't handle it"
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I did really start going down memory lane today on Bungie and Destiny.
Halo 3 and Reach. WOW. Halo 3 sold me a Xbox 360. Reach I lost so many hours to and adored it.
Then we get Destiny 1. A pseudo mmo fps with incredible lore and gameplay. Hooked. Did every raid with IRL buddies. Thousands of hours lost.
Destiny 2. We all show up, hate the launch raid, and from there it falls apart. I came back for every expansion, but I never did raiding anymore. I did the expansion story then would watch the raids online. Just me solo. The magic was there, always, but life moved on. Time commitment not possible. The game had highs and lows, but overall it was good memories.
D2 and Bungie really lost the plot when sold to Sony. While I love Marathon because that same magic exists within it as D1 had, it's such a longshot to reach those same highs on a mass scale, and I don't see Sony or current Bungie achieving it.
I want to believe, but I think after season 3 I could see Bungie just being dissolved entirely. Which in turn could see Sony selling the IP for Destiny to recoup some losses. Where the IP goes won't matter because it'll be a ghost of whatever it could've been in house.
If Sony couldn't green lit D3 at D2s peak, and then keeps saying no, then it'll never be the next project.
Destiny is dead officially.
This leaves a major hole devs can chase that's a far more reliable desire than the extraction shooter trend. Outriders 2 perhaps?
Nydius
Member
Unfortunately the disastrous launch of the first Outriders ultimately doomed that game, despite the expansion being really good.
Also unfortunately, Square-Enix owns the rights to the Outriders IP so I don't see them revisiting it any time soon. Even if they wanted to, People Can Fly is currently a support studio for Gears: E-Day and they have a contract with Sony to work on a new game based on an existing Sony property.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
what would be a destiny-like game? I swear every gameplay i saw just made me think of normal looter shooters
squallbr
Member
Its started in The taken king
panda-zebra
Member
What Bungie got wrong was making the game too formulaic as that got old quickly. Easier for them to make, tiresome for players to engage with. Pure dreadmill.
They forgot everything that was compelling and exciting to engage with during the highs of the first game and moved to a model where there wasn't really a race for a chase to get the interesting new stuff with your mates, it just fell into your hands when you handed over cash/handed over a bit more cash for a premium edition or pre-order.
It's my opinion and I'll fucking die on this hill - the game coming to PC and that playerbase's jump-on-reddit-and-whinge-like-cunt mentality fucked the whole thing hard, and having wankers like Luke Smith in charge sent the game spiralling up its own arse and exacerbated the shitness. Early D1 was my jam. What D1 ended up as was not that but it had some very high highs. D2 only had a couple of high points in spite of itself, once the core of what Destiny should be about had been long forgotten.
??? Outriders core game was decent, despite the fact that they gutted the looter shooter aspect of it some time before launch and turned it into much more of a 1-and-done. The "expansion", Worldslayer, was one of the biggest, most repetitive its-fucking-nothing grind cash-grab the shooter genre has ever witnessed. But I don't blame PCF for what they served, up, they still wanted to get paid thanks to the shitty deal they signed with their publisher and their publishers genius move in bypassing direct sales with a day 1 game pass launch.
Guardian Monkey
Member
It was a double edged sword. I would say it was catering more to the no-lifers/streamer crowd more than they should. But that group also gave them more exposure. But that is what I was trying to say earlier, they chased their own assess around and round. I think everyone got a little bit of what they wanted.
But chasing the dreams of the fanbase / streamers/ etc is what got them where they did. Bungie didn't kill Destiny 2 completely, the fanbase had a large part in it. Destiny 2 in its Final Shape
was crafted in some part by everyone. Not just Bungie, we all fucked it up. No one knew what they wanted, there was no grand design, too many hands in the pot.
clarky
Gold Member
Massively disagree but each to there own. Some if my best gaming memories are from Destiny, shit was fire at points, and I loved Halo.
Bungie are in huge trouble, can't see them being around this time next year unfortunately. No way Marathon does the numbers they need to keep the lights on and they have nothing else. At least we get to enjoy them chucking the kitchen sink at it in the mean time. Best case is this last update brings back a decent amount of D2 players for a while and Marathon starts doing half respectable numbers (unlikely). Still nowhere near enough.
The old management really did a number on the studio.
Darchaos
Gold Member
This so much!
kat_on_the_roof
Member
I really don't understand what difference destiny 3 can really make.
It is the same team that butchered D2 is is not?
Where do people see the sudden burst of talent, creativity and motivation coming from. A 3 instead of a 2 can't make that much of a difference when everything stays the same at bungie.
Or am I missing something here?
It is the same team that butchered D2 is is not?
Where do people see the sudden burst of talent, creativity and motivation coming from. A 3 instead of a 2 can't make that much of a difference when everything stays the same at bungie.
Or am I missing something here?
Bernardougf
Member
Na its hopium on its more pure form ...
clarky
Gold Member
Destiny 3 isn't happening. They are releasing this last update then the team is getting laid off. The People who fucked Destiny have already took the cash and fucked off, plenty of talent is still there, for now.
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PonyStation4
Member
Destiny 2's problem was the old engine it was built on, not on the devs. It created a lot of limitations like how many perks a weapon can hold, vault space and being able to use more than 1 exotic armor.
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Zamana
Gold Member
The problem with Destiny 2 not getting content anymore is that where do players go now? Where do I go now?
There's nothing like Destiny. Nothing comes close to that polished gunplay, magic and moment to moment gameplay, the art, the soundtrack, the feeling. Absolutely nothing.
Until Destiny 3 I guess I'll have to be satisfied with Borderlands or maybe Marathon.
There's nothing like Destiny. Nothing comes close to that polished gunplay, magic and moment to moment gameplay, the art, the soundtrack, the feeling. Absolutely nothing.
Until Destiny 3 I guess I'll have to be satisfied with Borderlands or maybe Marathon.
Zamana
Gold Member
Destiny 3 will happen some day. I believe. It's Marathon arc now. I believe.
Please. I believe. Let me believe.
Guardian Monkey
Member
It's an engine. It can be updated it's not some fixed item they have updated vault size plenty of times. Most of the time it was a restriction of last gen systems and memory management. They used the same engine for Marathon ie tiger. The Destiny 1/2 code however is supposedly legendary garbage though.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Ironically "where do I go now?" was a major problem in D2 for players that dipped in and out, Bungie are terrible at onboarding and re-engaging lapsed players.
clarky
Gold Member
Thanks. Looking forward to it.
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
I'm also not going to forget the constant PvE overcorrecting nerfing and abysmal exotic drop rates for some items.
You would finally get a new exotic weapon and it would be nerfed to the depths of hell the following week, making it useless. Happened to the Gjallarhorn in D2. It made that legendary weapon feel so damn weak. Whoever managed that had some weird smug god complex.
I also tried to get a Vex Mythoclast from the Vault of Glass D2 raid by completing it with friends 3x a week for an over 6 months and I never got it. I dropped the game at that point, came back for the finale and haven't been back since.
You would finally get a new exotic weapon and it would be nerfed to the depths of hell the following week, making it useless. Happened to the Gjallarhorn in D2. It made that legendary weapon feel so damn weak. Whoever managed that had some weird smug god complex.
I also tried to get a Vex Mythoclast from the Vault of Glass D2 raid by completing it with friends 3x a week for an over 6 months and I never got it. I dropped the game at that point, came back for the finale and haven't been back since.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
A huge part of me thinks now Destiny players who may have given marathon a chance will never do so now out of spite.
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
I asked my Destiny friends if they'll play Marathon if they added coop PvE and the sentiment was…
*Checks notes*
"Fuck that game."
I believe your intuition is correct
Arsic
clarky
Gold Member
OG Vex Mythocast from D1 was super busted was such a fun weapon.
Think we are cooked mate. Enjoy it while we can. Bungie seems excellent at shooting itself in the foot. That blog last week was obviously done to quell any rumours around Marathons future post the D2 news, but its fairly obvious the path we are on. If we make season 4 or 5 it will be a fucking miracle.
diffusionx
Gold Member
nah hardcore Destiny fans are going to blame Marathon for killing Destiny (and they will have a point).
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
That's exactly what happened and they definitely won't happily hop over to Marathon lol
I know I have a bitter taste in my mouth from how this all played out.
That company is run by children.
clarky
Gold Member
Bungies upper management fucked Destiny. It's not the devs or Marathons fault that none of them could run a bath.
I was just reading on reddit apparently Eververse made 300 million dollars in 2019 alone. Kinda insane they got even greedier than that and basically sold every one down the river for a quick buck. The only people that will suffer are the devs and the players of Destiny.
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
Man, you're spot on with that.
In this day and age it's nearly impossible to create a new franchise and lore that people truly care about. Destiny's potential was through the roof.
clarky
Gold Member
Its been said a number of times but not having another Destiny project at least past the concept stage and ready to go into production at some point before TFS is such a huge blunder. Not having a prequel, side project (not mobile lol) or even just a one and done online but not live service D1 remake is a real headscratcher.
I think when Sony and Bungie did those layoffs and decided to cheap out and continue D2 instead the writing was already on the wall.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
What's the deal with the Destiny mobile game?
Kerotan
Member
There's years worth of updates in that package you bought. Serious value for money. This isn't an issue.