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sankt-Antonio said:some of you said its the nature of anime - but god damn there are so many M rated animes...
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sankt-Antonio said:some of you said its the nature of anime - but god damn there are so many M rated animes...
I have no problem with the ages of the characters no matter what the game i play, i do have problem if the characters are annoying though.WrikaWrek[B said:]Are you a JRPG fan? Do you like kids as main characters?[/B]
Fuckin A. Not every story has to be an origin story.
rykomatsu said:bible black
I've picked Harry Potter, and in Italy many adults read HP. Didn't know that the Narnia average reader can barely read =PNo6 said:By picking Narnia, which most people read when they're younger than 10?
rofl, not really. Its just that this entire thread is stupid. All logical reasons and answers have been given, yet you still fight it, because you don't like it. Therefore, you are stupid.WrikaWrek said:Nice argument. Did i hurt your feelings? Feels like it.
youtube or google z brushRegulus Tera said:I don't get it.
that's like... unrated, or nc17rykomatsu said:bible black
No6 said:Your spider-man example is terrible. Most people do not associate Spider-Man with high school; only one movie involved high school (the rest were college) and Peter Parker has been out of high school for, what, the last 30 years? The marriage issue was written in 1987. The only HS Spider-man is the USM one. Hell, Spider-man was considered groundbreaking when it was released because it had a teen main character instead of being a side-kick like Robin. Most US (and euro?) comics are about adults (well, a lot are like manchild fantasies but still).
You must have a pretty terrible and pathetic life, because I've managed to get to 30 without experiencing major life-changing events like marriage, children, death of a close loved one, massive personal economic disaster, or crippling injury, and even without those I can assure you that just in the last five years I've experienced significant personal development. Hell, I'm practically unrecognizable compared to what I was five years ago.
Again, Spider-Man has been an "adult" for well over two decades.
WrikaWrek said:You just don't get it, the problem is that there are too many. Why the f do i have to learn shit as a kid, always, in game, i'm no kid. Heck then make the main character a 5 year old, not 14, let me learn what was behind while we're at it.
Fable does the whole growth thing. And you can't compare these 14 year old warrior kids to spiderman or star wars, since they are pretty different, and show different type of growth in their characters.
And you only say it's not a target audience thing, because fact is, you probably love it, and when somebody say "It's meant for kids", which it is, you feel insulted.
Dude, life doesn't end at 18.
sankt-Antonio said:a kids movie? did you see that movie?
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just to clear things up
sankt-Antonio said:a kids movie? did you see that movie?
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just to clear things up
A Link to the Snitch said:stuff
Darkpen said:rofl, not really. Its just that this entire thread is stupid. All logical reasons and answers have been given, yet you still fight it, because you don't like it. Therefore, you are stupid.
A Link to the Snitch said:And this isn't a JRPG thing, it's an "any video game, movie, book, comic, TV show, etc." thing. It happens ALL the time, and it's because people like it. Star Wars is about a teenager, Harry Potter is about a teenager, The Lord of the Rings is about a teenager, Transformers is about a teenager, etc.
And Star Wars, why can't I compare it again? Yeah, super-realistic - teenager who lives with his aunt and uncle and does chores and goes to hang out with his friends. He has some experience shootin' womp rats, but that's it. I guess it makes sense that he can be one of the only survivors in the attack on the Death Star, and to be the one to accomplish the difficult task of destroying it. Mmhmm, perfectly logical, and no JRPG is that logical, I suppose.
WrikaWrek said:I didn't fight anything. I agreed. These games are made for a younger audience.
I'm just saying that there are grown ups out there too. And guess that's why FF seems to have some more mature characters right now.
I'm cool with it. The thread isn't stupid, you are just ofended, because you don't like people to question this, because you probably love this "trend" of kids in JRPGs.
M3d10n said:How old were Romeo and Juliet again?
http://psx.ign.com/objects/014/014508.htmlSpeevy said:Let's e-mail Square-Enix, make them create the first "Old man on an adventure." RPG.
Fenderputty said:LOL ... I see your point, but really I was only pointing out movies that had children as the protagonist. I was going to include Willow, but the main character was really an adult, just a small one. :lol
A Link to the Snitch said:Well, yes, in a way, these games are made for a younger audience like Spider-Man and Star Wars were.
But they aren't, that's the thing - those two appeal to all ages, just like many JRPGs do. Which you seem to refuse to accept.
Cloud is 21 in FF7, so what's your point? :|WrikaWrek said:I didn't fight anything. I agreed. These games are made for a younger audience.
I'm just saying that there are grown ups out there too. And guess that's why FF seems to have some more mature characters right now.
I'm cool with it. The thread isn't stupid, you are just ofended, because you don't like people to question this, because you probably love this "trend" of kids in JRPGs.
LOTR is not about a teenager dude. Have you seen the movies? What do you think the trilogy is just about Frodo?
Or are you also missing the fact that Frodo plays a pretty different role than what the kids in JRPGs do?
Luke Skywalker was 18 when it began, and 22 when it ended, and he is the son of Darth Vader, and was trained by Obi Wan and Yoda in order to use the force and the lightsaber.
He wasn't some kid that suddenly picked up a sword and taking down true soldiers like it was nothing.
So no, it's not the same thing.
...then what in the world are you arguing about?WrikaWrek said:I don't refuse to accept anything. I know Power Rangers is meant for kids but i'm sure there are people of all ages that like it.
Darkpen said:Cloud is 21 in FF7, so what's your point? :|
And who said I "love" this trend of JRPGs? :|
Darkpen said:...then what in the world are you arguing about?
rykomatsu said:bible black
Could be (probably a part of the truth), but I'm not convinced that it's the only reason... Look at most fairy tales, they're often clearly targeted at adults (I wouldn't let children or even teenagers read some of the original ones, I'm not talking about Disney "rewritings" of course) and show many young or very young children.Kazenone said:That's the demographic that usually play the games.
What you really seem to be missing is that the thread is about a trend in JRPGs and you decided to counter that with a single example from a genre where Spider-Man was explicitly created as an expection to the rule.A Link to the Snitch said:1. The whole concept of Spider-Man was a TEENAGER getting super heroes. The fact that Spider-Man EVENTUALLY became an adult after ten years does not change what it is, and what it is is a comic that started with a teenager. I can use Spider-Man because it's an example of a famous American material that does this too - it's not just "JRPGs like kid stories lol". Spider-Man existed for teens back in the day, and was made a teen as a result. The fact that he becomes an adult doesn't mean it doesn't compare to JRPGs - where is there any opportunity to become an adult in these games? Most examples either don't have sequels or have unrelated sequels.
I responded to "where's the quality in "oh, hi, I'm an adult, I know basically all the stuff you need to know about the world, and I is going to save it!"?". It basically indicated that you're either a teen or a manchild who feels incredibly insecure about his lack of personal growth. Why would I complain about Spider-Man when he's not representative of the genre?2. lol @ you seemingly getting all worked up over my statements. Why don't you complain about Spider-Man? I'm guessing because you want this anti-JRPG thread to succeed.
I said he got married in 1987. If you had bothered checking wikipedia, Peter Parker graduated high school in 1965. He also proposed to MJ in 1978, so I'm guessing he was out of his teens by then.3. And Spider-Man has existed for well over four decades. Unless you mistyped, he's been a teenager for nearly half of the comic's life.
(neutral) ElbrainElbrain said:Oh yeah! Well Bible Black is straight out Hentai yo and not a M rated Anime.
Hentai!
If you haven't been generalizing JRPGs, then I don't know what.WrikaWrek said:Dude how do you expect anyone to reply to that?
You went from water to lava like it was the same thing. If Cloud is 21 then he isn't a kid is he?
What are you, 10? Can you even keep up with a discussion?
They're just pedophiles.Oblivion said:The better question would be why there are actually people - and by that, I mean, adults, 18 and up - that actually PREFER having their games star pre pubescent little tykes. It's just baffling to me.
Beaten.dude said:100% of the Japanese population are pedophiles.
Ferrio said:Know what I like? Good RPGs.
If I'm making a fuss about the character age, then I'm not paying attention to the most important aspect of the game.
dude said:100% of the Japanese population are pedophiles.
joke post?dude said:100% of the Japanese population are pedophiles.
something something manchilds something something NEETs something unmarried middleaged officewomen something something Akihabara.Oblivion said:The better question would be why there are actually people - and by that, I mean, adults, 18 and up - that actually PREFER having their games star pre pubescent little tykes. It's just baffling to me.
what I've been trying to say this whole time. Thank you.Ferrio said:Know what I like? Good RPGs.
If I'm making a fuss about the character age, then I'm not paying attention to the most important aspect of the game.
Darkpen said:I mean, what JRPGs are you so concerned about to begin with? What games, as of recent that you actually care about, feature young heroes?
Oblivion said:The better question would be why there are actually people - and by that, I mean, adults, 18 and up - that actually PREFER having their games star pre pubescent little tykes. It's just baffling to me.
Mamesj said:Even if they are teens, I like when "teen-ness" isn't emphasized. Like in Nocturne. Also, like Nocturne, DDS has a darker, more hopeless setting which I love.
Shit, sometimes its not even "teen" level. Look at Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Tales of Vesperia...I'm still trying to get the cutesy saccharine taste out of my mouth...and I've only played the demos of those games
The simple fact of the matter, I guess, is that JRPGs generally aren't "growing up" as a genre with its fanbase from the Snes/PS1 days. I'd wager that a lot of the fanbase from those days still likes the younger style.
Ferrio said:Know what I like? Good RPGs.
If I'm making a fuss about the character age, then I'm not paying attention to the most important aspect of the game.
Did you start playing yet? Yuri's 21 or 22 and actually lacks a lot of the cliches that make most jRPG protagonists so childish and annoying. Which is weird considering it's a Tales game and they like their cliches.RSLAEV said:This is why I like Lost Odyssey, the main characters (so far) are actual adults, with adult voices. All in all it seems like a much more mature approach.
Of course I bought Tales of Vesperia and now it's back to
RSLAEV said:This is why I like Lost Odyssey, the main characters (so far) are actual adults, with adult voices. All in all it seems like a much more mature approach.
Of course I bought Tales of Vesperia and now it's back to
Oblivion said:The better question would be why there are actually people - and by that, I mean, adults, 18 and up - that actually PREFER having their games star pre pubescent little tykes. It's just baffling to me.
Wow Basch was meant to be the main character? That would've worked so much betterNekobo said:An exception is Ashley Riot from Vagrant Story. I don't remember his age, but he was married and had a son. But from what I remember, Japanese gamers didn't find him too appealing. This influenced decision to change Basch from the main character in FFXII to a supporting one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_XII#Cast_creation_and_influences
Yoboman said:Wow Basch was meant to be the main character? That would've worked so much better
That's why you kill their family. Look at Frank Castle. He was going to be a priest until it happened.RurouniZel said:It's harder to tell a story with character development with a protagonist who's already gone through their growing pains. Much easier to sympathize with a character who's just discovering the way of the world when they're a teenager/young kid.
Yoboman said:Wow Basch was meant to be the main character? That would've worked so much better
RSLAEV said:This is why I like Lost Odyssey, the main characters (so far) are actual adults, with adult voices. All in all it seems like a much more mature approach.
Of course I bought Tales of Vesperia and now it's back to