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[Arpharmd B]

Japanese 360 because of a few things.

I really appreciate XBLA. It's given us definitive versions of some of last gens best games, like Ikaruga, VOOT, Rez, soon Radiant Silvergun. It's quickly becoming the best STG console of all time. You can't argue with these Cave ports, they shame last gens PS2 ports.

For me, a huge STG fan, fighting game fan, (obviously reason I loved the DC), a Japanese 360 really is a DC 2 in that regard. Once Marvel 3, 3rd Strike online, Radiant Silvergun, and more Cave games, it is really going to be up there.

I really demand, to truly solidify the console as my favorite, a port of VF5 FInal Shodown, a Sega racing game, and a Sega lightgun game (House of the Dead 4 please). Until this happens, the console will not be complete.

Bayonetta, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising, Vanquish, Lost Planet 2... these games (my top 5 pics) are just the icing on the cake.

 

[Snuggles]

May be it is just me but, Why your Wii doesn't have to be dusty - Game Recommendations Neogaf thread

some people prefer to keep the blinders up

It's close, but I'd give Wii the edge over the Cube thanks to it's 1st party line up. Hell, taking Virtual Console and Cube b/c into consideration, it's easily the best Nintendo console since SNES.

 

[JustAnotherOtaku]

The Wii library is definitely weaker than the Gamecube's.

When talking about exclusives? That's your opinion, so not hating, just curious as to what in the GC library is better than the Wii. I love the GC, but just quickly glancing at my collection and then at my Wii games I can't see how the GC is better.

Sure, there's no F-Zero, Pikmin, Star Fox on Wii but with the exception of maybe Wind Waker, aren't all the Wii versions of classic Nintendo series better than their GC counterparts?

 

[Grisby]

I'm having farrrr more fun than with past consoles so yeah I'd say so. My 360 is always rocking. PS3 noticeably less so because of the library but its the main bluray player and damn those movies look good.

 

[theBishop]

Atari 2600 was my first console. I don't think we've ever seen such a rapid pace of spectacular games. So some of these current consoles have potential to be the best of all time. I see a couple big gaps holding this generation back:

- Lack of local multiplayer. 360 does a better job with this than PS3 (Gears... Halo...), but in general developers have focused heavily on online multiplayer to the detriment of local play. Local multiplayer is extremely important to expanding the playerbase. People are way more likely to buy a game or console if they're already having fun with it at a friend's house.

- Long gap between major franchises. Some teams have really pulled out the stops to keep their franchises going. Naughty Dog, Epic, Bioware, and Insomniac have been especially prolific. But are we going to get another proper MGS game this generation? I'm not so sure. And FF15 seems highly unlikely. Which brings me to my next point...

- JAPAN!!! ... has been a disaster. They just don't seem to have the software processes down. Even when good Japanese games come out, they typically have major problems with online implementation, supporting standard SDK features, or they ape a "western" style rather than speaking in their own voice. Of course their are exceptions, but some high-profile failures are hard to ignore. MGS4's install scheme, the whole GT5 saga, Resident Gears of War 5, etc.


FWIW, my favorite consoles of all time are: NES, SNES, and PS2.

 

[Like the hat?]

Not to me, but Wii has definitely reached second best console status IMO. SNES will always be my number one.

But if you're adding handhelds, for me it's SNES to DS to Wii

 

[Unregistered007]

doubt it. They can't even last a decent amout of time.

Last gen the consoles sold 100 of millions due to software, this gen it seems that unreliable hardware is pulling in numbers.

I am seriously thinking about quitting Console gaming as I am on 5th Xbox360 and Second PS3.

What pissed me off was when my 699.99 + TAX console fucking broke - I bought Xbox360 arcade till recently but The PS3 was too big to break.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

The Wii's library is weaker than the Gamecube?

What kind of Kool-aid are people taking?

The Gamecube was Nintendo's lowest point in creativity with so many disappointing games with a system that had hardly any third party exclusives (excluding Dreamcast ports).

Then again not too surprised, most of the Wii's best games aren't advertised and are niched.

I imagine it is going to be the "cult console" of this generation.

 

[StuBurns]

The Wii's library is weaker than the Gamecube?

What kind of Kool-aid are people taking?

Are you a kool-aid consumer?

The GC library is way better than the Wii one.

Prime 1 & 2
Wind Waker
RE4
REmake
Viewtiful Joe etc

The GC at least had some of the AAA third party support, all the PoP's, BG&E etc, the Wii has Nintendo's first party and basically that's it.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

people saying the GC had a weaker library...

F-Zero
REmake, Zero, 4
Metroid Prime 1-2
Prince of Persia 1-2-3
Star Wars Rogue Squadron
Viewtiful Joe
Timesplitters 2
Wave Race
Baten Kaitos
Mario Sunshine
Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess
Eternal Darkness
SSBM
Pikmin 1-2
007 EON
Paper Mario TTYD
Jungle Beat
Super Monkey Ball
Chibi Robo
Hulk ultimate destruction
Metal Arms
ikaruga
SC 2
Tales of Symphonia
Fire Emblem POR
Gladius
Mario Kart DD

As opposed to whatever your choice is i gather? Meh.

For me the PS3 is probably the best console ever. The only competing platform is my xbmc-enabled original xbox.

When i was 12 i was gaming on PC so that's the real winner if it counts.

never said I'm not a fanboy. In fact I am one of the worst, but at least I got to experience the best console ever

 

[disappeared]

Not even close.

 

[StuBurns]

I'd love to give PN03 another try, I only played about an hour of it.

 

[MikeE21286]

ehh, for most of the people that post on GAF, no way any of the current systems can reach that "best console ever" status.

My feeling is that the "best console ever" status is probably achieved by the console that is/was your favorite when you were between the ages of 11-18.

I think most people here fall outside of that age range...

 

[Rolf NB]

The breadth of content available now and the refinement of it all beats the shit out of last gen. Last gen had no Heavy Rain (interactive fiction for adults and done right), no LittleBigPlanet/Modnation Racers (community content sharing), and no Dynasty Warriors games with fucking Gundams in them.

Smaller, cheaper downloadable games opened a new stream of experimental, risky, mechanics-driven titles. Things like PixelJunk Racers, all those twin-stick shooters, flower etc may have existed in some obscure niche on the PS2, but I never saw them. Now they're right there on your main menu.

You can get genuine cinematic experiences now, if you want to. Where was that choice last gen? And it's not just at the top end like Uncharted/Gears/Modern Of Honor, but general production best-practices have made their advance through gaming as a whole.

For every artistic gem of last gen, you can look up the people who made it, and yep, they're still working on awesome shit for current consoles. Team Ico check. Suda check. Mikami check. Takahashi ... well, he already did a few.

And on top of all that, almost all formerly PC-centric western studios are putting their work on consoles now as well, often as their primary concern, sometimes even exclusively. Telltale games. Volition. Piranha Bytes (or whatever flag that team flies now). People Can Fly. Crytek. id Software. Epic Games. Again, more breadth of content, more dots on the spectrum filled.

I really feel this gen wins hands down. There's so much choice now, so many options for every kind of gaming taste.

 

[Megadragon15]

I've probably had the least fun with this console generation than any other console generation so, in my opinion, no.

 

[theBishop]

When talking about exclusives? That's your opinion, so not hating, just curious as to what in the GC library is better than the Wii. I love the GC, but just quickly glancing at my collection and then at my Wii games I can't see how the GC is better.

Sure, there's no F-Zero, Pikmin, Star Fox on Wii but with the exception of maybe Wind Waker, aren't all the Wii versions of classic Nintendo series better than their GC counterparts?

In my opinion the first 2 Metroid Primes are a lot better than Corruption and Other M. And crucially, there's no sign of an Eternal Darkness from Nintendo: namely a big-budget new franchise targeted toward enthusiast gamers.

 

[wazoo]

people saying the GC had a weaker library...

F-Zero
REmake, Zero, 4
Metroid Prime 1-2
Prince of Persia 1-2-3
Star Wars Rogue Squadron
Viewtiful Joe
Timesplitters 2
Wave Race
Baten Kaitos
Mario Sunshine
Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess
Eternal Darkness
SSBM
Pikmin 1-2
007 EON
Paper Mario TTYD
Jungle Beat
Super Monkey Ball
Chibi Robo
Hulk ultimate destruction
Metal Arms
ikaruga
SC 2
Tales of Symphonia
Fire Emblem POR
Gladius
Mario Kart DD

So what ? Most of these games have
1 / sequels on the Wii
2/ Wiimake
3/ comparable games

the GC has nothing in what make the Wii brillant, all the oher games

 

[tiff]

BC

Well, sure, if someone was in the market for GC games I'd tell them to get a Wii, but for the sake of argument I'd prefer to judge the Wii's library on it's own merits, not it's ability to play games made for another console.

May be it is just me but, Why your Wii doesn't have to be dusty - Game Recommendations Neogaf thread

A game recommendation thread doesn't really tell me what has the better library between two consoles.

When talking about exclusives? That's your opinion, so not hating, just curious as to what in the GC library is better than the Wii. I love the GC, but just quickly glancing at my collection and then at my Wii games I can't see how the GC is better.

Sure, there's no F-Zero, Pikmin, Star Fox on Wii but with the exception of maybe Wind Waker, aren't all the Wii versions of classic Nintendo series better than their GC counterparts?

I guess it's just a difference of opinion, but with maybe one or two exceptions, I preferred the GC iterations of Nintendo's classic franchises compared to their Wii counterparts.

 

[theBishop]

You can get genuine cinematic experiences now, if you want to. Where was that choice last gen? And it's not just at the top end like Uncharted/Gears/Modern Of Honor, but general production best-practices have made their advance through gaming as a whole.

Bingo.

Games I haven't even played (and may never have time to play) like Red Faction Guerrilla, Call of Juarez 2, Darksiders, and Just Cause 2 are executing at an extremely high level. The competition this generation is unprecedented... almost to the point of being unhealthy.

 

[Forearm Star]

ps360 should have actually been a system... Then maybe

 

[cooljeanius]

Well, sure, if someone was in the market for GC games I'd tell them to get a Wii, but for the sake of argument I'd prefer to judge the Wii's library on it's own merits, not it's ability to play games made for another console.

So I take it you'd ignore Virtual Console games, too?

 

[Jay Sosa]

the GC had by no means a weak library

What?

It had some awesome game BUT: No soccer game, almost no Rpgs(the arguably best one is a CD remake), no GTA, only a few good JnR (and that's only if you liked SMS)

I loved my GC, still do but without a PS2(and then a Xbox) I would've been bored to death

 

[theBishop]

ps360 should have actually been a system... Then maybe

Even though there's a lot of overlap, both consoles are really defined by their first party publishing. Microsoft's strong affiliation with western PC development and Sony's massive first party development universe. We haven't had a head to head competition this strong since SNES->Genesis.

 

[SleazyC]

I'd say out of all the consoles and handhelds released since the end of the Gamecube - Xbox - PS2 days that the DS has reached the status that people hold the NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2 at.

The big thing that did it for me with the PS1 and PS2 was the amazing amount of diverse and creative games that were released. Not only did you have existing franchises graphically overhauled and brought into 3D you had a lot of new franchises established in several categories. The PS2 was a refinement and continued the good times.

I think that with the high development costs you don't really see this too much anymore (aside from DLC which is quickly becoming the next area to showcase fun and diverse games) on the consoles (sans the Wii which has some very creative games released on it but it seems that Nintendo is the one driving this and only a small handful of 3rd parties are coming remotely close). The DS has had so many good games in several areas and is a sales juggernaut so trying something creative that might target a niche can still get you good sales.

I still miss the PS1 - PS2 era, not sure if we will see a set of years like that on the console side again.

 

[jett]

I'm gonna have to say no. For me this is the least interesting and creative generation so far. I'll take any other gen over this one easily.

 

[tiff]

So I take it you'd ignore Virtual Console games, too?

I didn't even consider that, but yeah, I'd suppose I'd have to if I'm not counting BC.

 

[GhaleonQ]

The NES had hugely creative but limited stuff. Even with the Japan-only games, the DS (the best system this generation by a long shot) is better.

Super Nintendo > Playstation 2 > Playstation 1 > DS > NES.

The Playstation 2 had the best English releases, though, and the Playstation 1 had my favorite games of all-time, personally.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Not quite best but the PS3 is top 5 best console ever status. I'd probably rate the Dreamcast my fave, followed somewhere with SNES, PS1, PS2 and 3. Which is great considering there's still a fair few more years left in the girl yet... with next year looking like one of the, if not, strongest. I think for pure usage the PS3 has been very much an always on console thanks to Blu-ray, PSN and retail games themselves. It really has done everything.

 

[dacuk]

PS2=360>PS3=PS1>>>>Xbox=PSP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gamecube>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii

SNES / Super Fami >> NES / Famicom >(*100.000)>PS2

 

[JimboJones]

I'd take the Wii game library over the gamecube's any day..
Consoles are to fragmented this gen, audience spread out between all three consoles so you would be missing out on a lot if you didn't own at least 2.
Last gen you could get away with owning just the ps2 and experience a lot what that gen had to offer.

 

[Lonely1]

From my own experience: Wii >>> GC.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I think the SNES probably has the best ratio of classics to excellent games to poor games, particularly if you're willing to include choice fan-translated SFAM games but not include SFAM dregs.

I don't see the sense in necessarily crowning a best console ever, though. You're fully able to own more than one console per generation; I don't care if the 360, or the PS3, or the Wii, or the DS, or the PSP, or the iPhone, or the PC is the best console ever--I do care if all of them combined provide me enough great games to justify to upfront expense of having bought them. Which they all have.

If you go on strength of library (defined as number of good/great games rather than percentage of good/great games), the launch PS3 is undoubtedly the best home console ever. There is no reasonable argument against this.

Notice that I specified launch PS3. Because the PS2 library alone is often called "best ever", yet clearly the PS2 library plus the PS1 library plus the PS3 library (no matter what you think of it on its own) is even better.

If you accept this argument, then by definition the newest possible PC has the best library ever. So, yes, there is a reasonable argument against it.

 

[Manmademan]

unless all you play are JRPGs (and there are a few of you out there) the PS3 and 360 have a pretty good shot at it.

every other genre you can name is knocking it out of the park, online has matured considerably, and there's tons and TONS of low budget independent games and arcade classics on PSN and XBLA that wouldn't have a prayer of seeing a release otherwise.

I wouldn't want to be a Wii-only gamer right now though.

 

[Lonely1]

The GC at least had some of the AAA third party support, all the PoP's, BG&E etc, the Wii has Nintendo's first party and basically that's it.

No. Stuff like Muramassa, LKS, NMH, SH:SM, Goldeneye, HoTD:OK, SC... you can't discard so easily.

 

[Crash Station]

Absolutely not. None of them even come close to the PS2 or SNES. The DS is hovering around that range but even it could use some more "amazing" games over its ridiculously large number of "great" ones.

 

[theBishop]

The NES had hugely creative but limited stuff. Even with the Japan-only games, the DS (the best system this generation by a long shot) is better.

Super Nintendo > Playstation 2 > Playstation 1 > DS > NES.

The Playstation 2 had the best English releases, though, and the Playstation 1 had my favorite games of all-time, personally.

No way. I'd still take Metal Storm, Conquest of the Crystal Palace, and Crystalis over any 3 DS games. And that still leaves a ton of NES heavy hitters.

 

[Manmademan]

Absolutely not. None of them even come close to the PS2

not yet, no- but if this gen goes on for a few more years (and there's a fairly good chance of this) it's possible.

or SNES.

disagree. PS3/360 are both better systems than the SNES right now. Off the top of my head, the complete lack of multiplayer games and virtual absence of any kind of sports titles kind of kill the "SNES was the best system ever!" argument.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Sony Exclusives: Between Uncharted, Infamous, Demon's Souls and others, this may be the best generation yet for Sony exclusives. If the Team Ico game delivers, it's Sony's best deliver yet.

Not even close. You need to go back and look at what was exclusive to the PS2.

 

[DR2K]

Nostalgia is way too powerful. In terms of quality alone games have improved exponentially.

 

[SoulPlaya]

No chance.

 

[Lunchbox]

Genesis
ps2
ds (doubles as a gba)
360

 

[sn00zer]

Ummmmm.... yeah... seriously most of the best games ever are currently being or have been made in the past 5 years

 

[tiff]

not yet, no- but if this gen goes on for a few more years (and there's a fairly good chance of this) it's possible.

Even if this gen goes on for a few more years, it'd have to pump out a lot of incredible games at a pretty unprecedented clip to even stand a chance.

 

[Crash Station]

not yet, no- but if this gen goes on for a few more years (and there's a fairly good chance of this) it's possible.



disagree. PS3/360 are both better systems than the SNES right now. Off the top of my head, the complete lack of multiplayer games and virtual absence of any kind of sports titles kind of kill the "SNES was the best system ever!" argument.

Obviously this is a subjective argument, but unless these last few years absolutely blow me away, I can't see any current gen console beating the PS2. Japanese developers have mostly moved to handhelds, so there goes 98% of what I play.

The PS2 had everything I could ask for and more. Hell, the fact I have nearly 140 games should be evidence of that. I'm not even close to that on every current gen console and handheld combined.

 

[Beezy]

The 360 can thanks to XBLA and Indie Games.

 

[Lard]

Never.

 

[Ushojax]

Home console-wise, no. The cost of developing for the modern platforms combined with the extremely narrow tastes of the general audience and the economic situation means they will never have a library of quality games as diverse as the PS2. Don't get me wrong, the 360, PS3 and Wii all have great libraries, but they will never match the number of quality titles that were on the PS2. It just won't happen. The DS is the only thing that even comes close to the PS2, and even then there is a giant gulf between them.

 

[StuBurns]

No. Stuff like Muramassa, LKS, NMH, SH:SM, Goldeneye, HoTD:OK, SC... you can't discard so easily.

I feel like you don't know what 'AAA' means. I don't know what HoTD:OK is though.

If you think those are comparable to the third party support they got last time fair enough, I don't think it's even a fraction.

 

[Manmademan]

Even if this gen goes on for a few more years, it'd have to pump out a lot of incredible games at a pretty unprecedented clip to even stand a chance.

IMO this is already happening. My current gen library is nearly as big as my last gen library right now, and there's still lots more good games coming for 2011.

the only thing holding this gen back is that we still haven't seen a ps360 in the $99 or so price range

I feel like you don't know what 'AAA' means. I don't know what HoTD:OK is though.

If you think those are comparable to the third party support they got last time fair enough, I don't think it's even a fraction.

HoTD is house of the dead: overkill I think. but otherwise I agree completely. those games are B list at best. The wii simply isn't seeing the kind of third party support the gamecube did, and it never will because hardware wise it's not in the same league as the other two systems.

 

[Takao]

No, the market is way too fragmented now. Japanese developers are on handhelds, but the west neglects handhelds. On the console front, because of the difference in power between the Wii and PS3/360 we see such big gaps in libraries. The Wii has the largest amount of quality platformers, but has nothing to touch upon in the shooter department.