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Can the current-gen consoles reach "Best console ever" status?
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Clemsontigers35
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I guess it depends on your criteria, but here's how I see each console that was memorable (No Coleco, Intellivison, Jaguar, etc)
Atari 2600- The Progenitor
NES- The Original
Master System- The Footnote
Genesis- The Rebirth
SNES- The Poet
Saturn- The Lost
PS1- The Cinderella
N64- The Albatross
DC- The Dammed
PS2- The Hercules
GC- The Intoxicated
Xbox- The Leviathan
Xbox 360- The Chatty Kathy
Wii- The Revolution
PS3- The Avant Garde
Atari 2600- The Progenitor
NES- The Original
Master System- The Footnote
Genesis- The Rebirth
SNES- The Poet
Saturn- The Lost
PS1- The Cinderella
N64- The Albatross
DC- The Dammed
PS2- The Hercules
GC- The Intoxicated
Xbox- The Leviathan
Xbox 360- The Chatty Kathy
Wii- The Revolution
PS3- The Avant Garde
The Librarian
Banned
It already has for me.
JimboJones
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Even if they do it would still mean that the Wii has had a longer temporary exclusive than any GC game :lol
szaromir said:
I don't really thing it's laughable at all and I think your kind of missing the point, it's not about the generation as a whole, PS2 is considered one of the best consoles because in it's time it probably provided the most varied games library for it's time and it went on for years.
I couldn't say that about the 360 because the PS3 is providing a lot of it's own exclusives and has smiler third party support, even the Wii has quite a few of it's own unique games.
Maybe in a few years we will see about the 360 or PS3 but at the moment I'd say there pretty equal.
NDS's western dev support has been abysmal, PS2 also was a bit wonky in that regard (although much better). That's the most important factor for me in deciding the best console.
I fail to understand that part. It doesn't matter what it was offering for its time (even then it was very weak in many genres) if current consoles offer more.
Sure, but hardly a measure of the value of a console because the PC will always win in this category; comparing console graphics while posting from a gaming PC is like comparing the size of small fish while riding around on a shark.-COOLIO- said:
Highly debatable due to the subjectivity of enjoyment, so I'm going to rule this out as a factor in determining an objective "best console". Also, this ties into functionality, but when a multiplayer-oriented game loses its multiplayer function, that game is substantially less fun.
Taking our only other two precedents into account (XBL, SegaNet), the functionality of consoles extends only insofar as they are current.
Last gen had this too. Also, see the PC.
Enormously subjective. Who are you to tell me that I prefer the design of newer consoles?
" " aesthetics " "
The saturn/6b genesis controller would like a word with you.
The replacement of the VCR by DVD came with it many objective advantages that are easy to demonstrate. That you can't name one about the new console generation indicates how invalid your comparison is.
JimboJones
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szaromir said:
So what your saying is that only a present day console at any given time can be considered the best.
Hot Coldman
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GB- The Boy WonderClemsontigers35 said:
Game Gear- The Ugly Duckling
GBC- The Renovator
GBA- The Breadwinner
PSP- The Challenger
DS- The Assassin
PC- The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
Thought so. This is looking to be the first generation I don't agree with the general public I think. In regards to home consoles at least, I do think the DS has a much stronger library than the PSP.Stink said:
Being from the UK, Nintendo didn't seem to be dominating as much as they actually did in the NES/SNES eras, most of my friends had Sega systems instead.
StuBurns said:
He also emplied that the IPhone will be the future of handheld gaming cuz "no-one will want to pay 20$ to play Tetris on the DS when they can have it for 1$ on Apples store".
Apparently the 3DS will only postpone the certain death of Sony and Nintendo's portable business.
:lol :lol :lol
I wish i had his job
Indeed, I rarely agree with, and certainly don't agree the 3DS has to be concerned about the iPhone going forward. However on the example of EM, I think it could very much happen, but much like RE4 last generation, regardless of where it goes in the future it was fundamentally a Wii exclusive, that was designed from the ground up for the Wii, the way a lot more developers should be approaching the system. SH is a good example, it got ports, but they were clearly very much after thoughts, it appears nothing was avoided in terms of design knowing conversational controls would need to be implemented down the road.MYE said:
Pretty much, unless the platform is a failure (and none of the current 3 are).JimboJones said:
There is some truth to that argument. What works against iPhone though is lack of dedicated gaming controls (touch screen is crap for that) and 3DS/PSP2 exclusives which might have a huge power in drawing the audience in (especially the first with Pokemon etc.).
2 Minutes Turkish
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The 360 is already one of the best ever.
At least for anyone who is actually a gamer. Easily the best console since the Dreamcast.
At least for anyone who is actually a gamer. Easily the best console since the Dreamcast.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Mr.Green said:
Not really. You seem to be only taking tech into play.
You can play retro games, without nostalgia, and just enjoy games. It's possible.
H_Prestige
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I think this gen is undeniably superior to the older ones in terms of online gaming and other network related features. And the hardware of the ps3 and 360 is much, much better than the old basic boxes that did nothing more than start the game you had inserted. Not to mention they have backward compatibility anyway. I haven't suffered any hardware problems yet and cartridges in the old days were really terrible.
I think nostalgia has a lot to do with the PS1 era games, people remembering how wonderful it was to play MGS1 or the Tomb Raider games, or Gran Turismo etc, going back to them is always terrible for me. NES/SNES era 2D platformers haven't really dated at all, I just went back and played thru SMB3 last year and it's still as awesome as ever.
Even the last generation I think of more kindly than it deserves. I remember loving PoP:SoT, but I just bought the HD port a couple of weeks ago and that game is dog shit, the 3D camera control is horrific, the combat systems is so sloppy it has to be played to be believed, the puzzle platform design is mediocre and the art isn't great.
If this generation isn't the best, SNES is, there are just too many stretch marks on the PS1/2 era library for me.
Even the last generation I think of more kindly than it deserves. I remember loving PoP:SoT, but I just bought the HD port a couple of weeks ago and that game is dog shit, the 3D camera control is horrific, the combat systems is so sloppy it has to be played to be believed, the puzzle platform design is mediocre and the art isn't great.
If this generation isn't the best, SNES is, there are just too many stretch marks on the PS1/2 era library for me.
BloodySinner
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Snuggler said:
If it wasn't $600, that would have helped.
2 Minutes Turkish said:
Yeah... no.
quickwhips
Member
I would say this gen is doing an amazing job of giving us our old favorites for download and bringing something new gaming also. I think the xbox 360 with its online system is probably the best in my opinion. It got me back into gaming after I had stopped pc gaming. My wife is gaming now (rock band and xbla). Plus they give indie developers a way to make a good amount of money they might not have been able to otherwise.
2 Minutes Turkish
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Tain said:
It's ok, no need to laugh. You just don't enjoy games with the same youthful exuberance I do. I don't know too many people irl who aren't completely in love with their 360s even when they own all/most of the major current consoles (including portables).
I had the same experience with the Dreamcast. Everyone I knew who was actually serious about gaming, loved their Dreamcast far more than their PS2, and for good reason, it was a better console.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
The DS is the only one that I'd put alongside my NES/SNES/PS2. The Wii has a strong shot at the "best local multiplayer console ever" consolation prize.
Nuclear Muffin
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The DS may come close but none of the consoles will be really fondly remembered.
Most of the big multi-platform 360/PS3 games will be mostly forgotten, while the Wii is held back by its pathetic 3rd party support (Nintendo's own games will be fondly remembered though and will stand the test of time as some of the best games ever made)
The likes of Bayonetta and Bioshock 1 will be remembered and will stand the test of time, but I think that the PS3/360 will mostly be known for disappointing sequels like RE5 and multi-platform games. There isn't a lot that defines either console individually.
Edit: Counting the Virtual Console is cheating...
Most of the big multi-platform 360/PS3 games will be mostly forgotten, while the Wii is held back by its pathetic 3rd party support (Nintendo's own games will be fondly remembered though and will stand the test of time as some of the best games ever made)
The likes of Bayonetta and Bioshock 1 will be remembered and will stand the test of time, but I think that the PS3/360 will mostly be known for disappointing sequels like RE5 and multi-platform games. There isn't a lot that defines either console individually.
Edit: Counting the Virtual Console is cheating...
H_Prestige
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StuBurns said:
I agree with this. A lot of old games simply don't hold up for me anymore, even though I may have enjoyed the hell out of them when I was a kid. But there are still some old games that soundly kick the crap out of their modern analogues.
I had a lot more fun memories playing goldeneye and perfect dark compared to kz2 and halo 3, but no way could I ever enjoy those games today. Even the updated perfect dark is terrible stuff.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Yep, they can even considering the hardware issues, stupidly high cost, and generally depressing variety and lacking (non audio-visual) ambition in game designs. Live, Arcade, and Indie games have put X360 up there for me...though it's difficult to be certain of it being the best of all time for me. There's a lot of nostalgia to fight through.
I NEED SCISSORS
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Never. Most major franchises have disappointed this gen.
Man, for all the things it's given me outside the sphere of just traditional, retail gaming, the PS3 already is my favorite console ever, even considering my 60gb YLOD'd on me on my fuggin birthday. :lol (since repaired though 
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Such amazing blockbuster-quality gaming experiences (Uncharted 2), such creative, brilliant indie shit (Flower), the amazing PSN, PS1 classics, backwards compatibility with two systems, now Netflix, Bluray playback (never have I enjoyed watching movies at home so much), practically painless AV streaming with PS3 Server/TVersity...it's just such a magical box. Does everything for me, and does it all so well.
)Such amazing blockbuster-quality gaming experiences (Uncharted 2), such creative, brilliant indie shit (Flower), the amazing PSN, PS1 classics, backwards compatibility with two systems, now Netflix, Bluray playback (never have I enjoyed watching movies at home so much), practically painless AV streaming with PS3 Server/TVersity...it's just such a magical box. Does everything for me, and does it all so well.
2 Minutes Turkish said:
Youthful exuberance? I'm completely in love with a lot of video games that I'm playing for the first time this year that aren't 360-exclusive games.
Please tell me about these 360-exclusive games that are required-loving for serious gamers! I can name some arcade ports, sure, but what original games are there? What would a dude that, say, finishes roguelikes, wrecks everybody in fighting games, and 2-loops STGs need to play on the 360 that he couldn't play elsewhere in order to be considered "serious"?
Flying_Phoenix
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I don't see what made the SNES so great. Yeah it had great first party, big games, and great JRPG's, but that was it. I don't understand how people can think its the undivided winner, especially factoring in that the system it was competing against more or less had just as a good library. Why doesn't the Genesis get any love?
Also I don't get the PS1 love. With the exception of the JRPG's most of its games aged like shit. Ironically most of the Nintendo 64's praised games have aged like fine wine.
Exactly. A few great games, bunch of disappointments, multiplats inferior to other versions, and Dreamcast ports. Thank you for proving my point.
A game with a far superior version on the Wii as well.
Sorry to be so anal, but saying the GC is better than the Wii is like saying the Xbox was a better system than the Xbox 360. It just doesn't make much sense.
The Gamecube had the most disappointing first party output in Nintendo's history, mediocre multiplats slightly better than the PS2, and third party exclusives were unheard of unless they were "timed" exclusives or ports from the Dreamcast.
The Wii is embarrassing when it comes to multiplats, but it has tons of unique exclusives from third parties, and has Nintendo arguably at their strongest with three high in quality mainline Mario games, return of Donkey Kong Country, handdrawn Wario, 2D Kirby, 2 Excite games, 2 Metroids, a new Punchout, and etc. including your usual Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Zelda affair.
What ponders me is that last generation people couldn't stop hating on that purple system. But unlike the Wii it wasn't due to the "gimmick" or "horsepower", but to the disappointing games. With the sole exception of Metroid Prime 1, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and FZero, nearly every Gamecube game published by Nintendo received tons of hate. Even Mario and Zelda (rightfully) did. With the Wii, the only games that get a lot of hate are Brawl, Other M, Paper Mario, and possibly Mario Kart Wii. Nintendo fans can't stop praising these games, while last generation they seemed to dislike everything compared to the previous versions. And as time goes on this further cements itself as the only game that was hated during that era that is now liked is (unfortunately) Windwaker.
Please to God tell me that you were referring during the time the two platforms were competing.
Also I don't get the PS1 love. With the exception of the JRPG's most of its games aged like shit. Ironically most of the Nintendo 64's praised games have aged like fine wine.
Anasui Kishibe said:
Exactly. A few great games, bunch of disappointments, multiplats inferior to other versions, and Dreamcast ports. Thank you for proving my point.
Lonely1 said:
A game with a far superior version on the Wii as well.
Sorry to be so anal, but saying the GC is better than the Wii is like saying the Xbox was a better system than the Xbox 360. It just doesn't make much sense.
The Gamecube had the most disappointing first party output in Nintendo's history, mediocre multiplats slightly better than the PS2, and third party exclusives were unheard of unless they were "timed" exclusives or ports from the Dreamcast.
The Wii is embarrassing when it comes to multiplats, but it has tons of unique exclusives from third parties, and has Nintendo arguably at their strongest with three high in quality mainline Mario games, return of Donkey Kong Country, handdrawn Wario, 2D Kirby, 2 Excite games, 2 Metroids, a new Punchout, and etc. including your usual Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Zelda affair.
What ponders me is that last generation people couldn't stop hating on that purple system. But unlike the Wii it wasn't due to the "gimmick" or "horsepower", but to the disappointing games. With the sole exception of Metroid Prime 1, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and FZero, nearly every Gamecube game published by Nintendo received tons of hate. Even Mario and Zelda (rightfully) did. With the Wii, the only games that get a lot of hate are Brawl, Other M, Paper Mario, and possibly Mario Kart Wii. Nintendo fans can't stop praising these games, while last generation they seemed to dislike everything compared to the previous versions. And as time goes on this further cements itself as the only game that was hated during that era that is now liked is (unfortunately) Windwaker.
2 Minutes Turkish said:
Please to God tell me that you were referring during the time the two platforms were competing.
tass0 said:Wha? How?
I'm sorry, I just don't see what makes it the best console ever...
kylej must be 12-years-old.
I can see people picking this. Dreamcast was my previous favourite, but the 360 has surpassed it. Some of my friends consider it their best console, just for the community features.
TheChewyWaffles
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360 is my favorite of all time. All it lacks are dedicated servers.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
I like the games this gen but I am disappointed with the hardware and the services they provide. 360 was an unreliable POS and you have to pay to play online (and you don't even get dedicated servers!), PS3 was retardedly expensive and has a gimped GPU, and the Wii was just a slightly enhanced Gamecube. Disappointment all around.
Lion Heart
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PS3 might depending on how much longer it lasts. I don't know if it will surpass the PS1 but I already enjoy it many times more than the PS2. If it goes to 2013 no doubt best ever.
I don't think any this gen can reach "Best console ever" status as each of them have marring flaws to knock them down the ladder.
Wii - Most controversial console ever. It, and it's developing company basically alienated hardcore gamers for the longest time, if not still. It packed inferior hardware at launch. It brought to the mainstream "waggle", which will continue to be hated well into next-gen by many veteran gamers.
PS3 - Hated mainly on because of Sony's swagger up until launch, and it's following year or two until Sony somehow became "humble". The 600lawlbucks didn't help it either. Though, it was the most advanced hardware to ever launch, compared to it's competition, but yeah, $600 really hurt it. When taking PSN into account as well, it's library is competitive to any other "great" gen, maybe not the best, but easily competitive.
360 - MS tried to play the middle man, that they "cared" about the hardcore gamer. Then they knowingly released the biggest pile of shit ever causing the most grief ever to the consumer with it's "acceptable 3% hardware defect rate" that company mouthpieces touted, which was probably closer to 50%. RRoD will go down in history as the most notorious console issue, easily passing the "DRE". XBL rates continue to annoy, and have increased. With XBLA they have a good library, though their lack of first-party stables clearly hurts them still to this day.
So they each did some things that will be remembered in gaming history, be it changing how gaming is handled in the future, for their library of games, for the evolution of games, or for it's notoriety.
Wii - Most controversial console ever. It, and it's developing company basically alienated hardcore gamers for the longest time, if not still. It packed inferior hardware at launch. It brought to the mainstream "waggle", which will continue to be hated well into next-gen by many veteran gamers.
PS3 - Hated mainly on because of Sony's swagger up until launch, and it's following year or two until Sony somehow became "humble". The 600lawlbucks didn't help it either. Though, it was the most advanced hardware to ever launch, compared to it's competition, but yeah, $600 really hurt it. When taking PSN into account as well, it's library is competitive to any other "great" gen, maybe not the best, but easily competitive.
360 - MS tried to play the middle man, that they "cared" about the hardcore gamer. Then they knowingly released the biggest pile of shit ever causing the most grief ever to the consumer with it's "acceptable 3% hardware defect rate" that company mouthpieces touted, which was probably closer to 50%. RRoD will go down in history as the most notorious console issue, easily passing the "DRE". XBL rates continue to annoy, and have increased. With XBLA they have a good library, though their lack of first-party stables clearly hurts them still to this day.
So they each did some things that will be remembered in gaming history, be it changing how gaming is handled in the future, for their library of games, for the evolution of games, or for it's notoriety.
Omotesando
Member
When broken games like Fallout are the cream of the crop this generation, I dismiss the notion that this generation has produced anything that measure up to be a true classic.