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Can the current-gen consoles reach "Best console ever" status?
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AAA as big budget or AAA as high reviewed? Since there's both. I would say that Goldeneye, Sonic Colors, stinkers like FF:CC:TCB are as high budget as anything third party the GC got last gen, with the probable exception of Re4 and Remake. But Wii still got the CoDs... Now, if you are talking relative to the specific gen big budget, then you have a point. But comparing it game to game...StuBurns said:
JimboJones
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Problem with gc third party support was hardly any of it was exclusive.
PSP doesn't have any of the CoD. And the efforts aren't really comparable. Wii CoD team even managed to force Nintendo hand to allow back-end patching. Also, Rockband and the Guitar Heroes are probably high budget compared to what the GC got last gen.theBishop said:
Manmademan
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theBishop said:
I think you might be right, I may be thinking around the $129 price point or so. but my point's still the same- at that price point a console hits "impulse buy" territory, bringing in casuals and expanding the userbase. At that point it makes financial sense to take risks with quirkier niche titles.
none of the current gen systems are priced quite at that level yet.
I've done more gaming this gen than I ever have, so I'm going to have to confidently say yes, even though I may more fondly remember childhood experiences with certain choice games (like Zelda: OOT, for instance)
The content we get with games this gen is just leaps and bounds above what we used to get, and it seems like there's always something great to play for whatever you're into.
The only exception to this is the state of JRPGs -- they've dropped off considerably since the PS1/PS2 era, and even during the PS2 era they were pretty bad. I suppose I've "outgrown" JRPGs, but to be honest there was almost nothing more satisfying than playing something like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, or FF7 for the first time. Japanese developers have lost their touch and priorities, so if anything that's the biggest disappointment. I also think Nintendo has fallen off a bit. During the N64 era they used to pump out so many awesome exclusives, but now I've only found a few titles on the Wii that I've truly enjoyed. I think their interest in more casual experiences (even for some of their mainline series, like super mario bros and mario kart) has turned me off as well.
Overall though, the launch PS3 is my favorite system ever. It just has everything I could possibly want. Blu-Ray, the best NetFlix streaming, PS1/PS2 games, reliable, silent, an expandable open hard drive, and tons of great third party offerings and the best exclusives on any console. Unlike most of GAF I was a bit disappointed with the PS2 outside of a few great games, but the PS3 has really delivered and jived with me this gen.
The content we get with games this gen is just leaps and bounds above what we used to get, and it seems like there's always something great to play for whatever you're into.
The only exception to this is the state of JRPGs -- they've dropped off considerably since the PS1/PS2 era, and even during the PS2 era they were pretty bad. I suppose I've "outgrown" JRPGs, but to be honest there was almost nothing more satisfying than playing something like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, or FF7 for the first time. Japanese developers have lost their touch and priorities, so if anything that's the biggest disappointment. I also think Nintendo has fallen off a bit. During the N64 era they used to pump out so many awesome exclusives, but now I've only found a few titles on the Wii that I've truly enjoyed. I think their interest in more casual experiences (even for some of their mainline series, like super mario bros and mario kart) has turned me off as well.
Overall though, the launch PS3 is my favorite system ever. It just has everything I could possibly want. Blu-Ray, the best NetFlix streaming, PS1/PS2 games, reliable, silent, an expandable open hard drive, and tons of great third party offerings and the best exclusives on any console. Unlike most of GAF I was a bit disappointed with the PS2 outside of a few great games, but the PS3 has really delivered and jived with me this gen.
Manmademan
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expy said:
and how many of us are factoring in "nes blowjobs" and "disc read error" when considering the merits of systems like the NES and PS2?
Manmademan said:
Yeah, last gen I had the disc drives crap out on 2 Xbox's, one PS2 and one Dreamcast. And of course, my Duck Hunt/Mario Bros. would work like 1/10th of the time. Not that it excuses the pathetic RRoD disaster and the YLoD issues, but it's not like systems failing is anything new. Major credit to Nintendo, though, my N64, Cube and Wii haven't had any problems.
Probably, since nostalgia will make us forget most of the thing that suck about the current generation.
In ten years you'll remember how awesome it was to play MW2 with your bros on xbl. When in reality you were eating your controller because you got raped by a chopper, or raging about the shitty matchmaking.
In ten years you'll remember how awesome it was to play MW2 with your bros on xbl. When in reality you were eating your controller because you got raped by a chopper, or raging about the shitty matchmaking.
Megadragon15
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The best workaround/fix for faulty hardware (PS1) was turning the console upside down or on its side to get it to work. :lol :lolManmademan said:
StuBurns said:
How is Silent Hill, Monster Hunter 3, 007 Goldeneye, House of the Dead, Little King Story, No More Heroes, Trauma series, Muramasa, Tatsunoko VS Capcom, Z&W etc "not even a fraction" of Gamecube's amazing third party support? :lol
And wtf is this AAA shit anyways? Budget? Marketing? Graphics?
Assassins Creed 1 had all of that and its still a piece of expensive shit, so who cares...
Gameboy415
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Olorin said:
Seriously. If Nintendo were to put all of their first party NES/SNES stuff up on the Virtual Console, there would be no contest. (and just add Chrono Trigger and I'd have all of my favorite games on one console!)
I am extremely happy with PS3 as well and, considering mine is a backwards compatible 60GB model, it has edged out PS2 as my favorite Sony console.
In terms of handhelds, DS has really impressed me over the past few years but I don't think anything will topple the GBA SP2 in my book.
It's fully backwards compatible with ALL Game Boy games and has the best portable screen ever. Perfect.
theBishop said:
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From a hardware functionality point of view this is moving towards Wii+360, but I was more referring to the Wii's software library (including Virtual Console/WiiWare services). Would be very nice if I could get Mario Galaxy, Doom 2, Strong Bad's game, Red Dead Redemption, Wii Sports Resort, Portal, Cave Story, Dance Central, No More Heroes, Duke Nukem Forever, Zelda: Skyward Sword, etc. all on the same machine. That would be a real contender for best console ever IMO.
Manmademan
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Megadragon15 said:
oh yeah, the PS1 especially was NOTORIOUS for this. after a while almost every PS1 I saw had to be placed upside down to run any games at all.
that's IF you could get the game to work. Gaming in the NES era frequently meant screwing around with carts for 10 minutes or more to get them to work (blowing, inserting, re-inserting, repeat), having the blinking blue screen show up MID GAME and screw you over, having to use a cart inserted on top of ANOTHER cart to hold it down so the game would run...:lol
Forearm Star
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theBishop said:
Oh exactly, I actually love it!
I only suggest that because of the fact that theres such an overlap.
It's almost painful to not having both honestly (sold my 360 for booze money)
While having both though it def was bliss, hot gluing them together is the only way I can say one system this gen would be greatest console worthy
-COOLIO- said:
They're more prone to break because the hardware designs on PS3 and 360 were far more ambitious relative to gaming PC specs at launch. PS3 would be just as faulty as 360 except Sony went balls-out with their heatsink design. If you've opened both consoles, it's a night-and-day difference.
But I think this thread is more about the tapes than the VCR.
None of those games (or should I say of the ones I've played) is even marginally as good as something like RE4.MYE said:
In terms of AAA, I mean the best the studio has to offer, the top tier software, which the Wii is not getting.
A Silent Hill spin off, is it getting Silent Hill 8? No.
Monster Hunter 3, it's a big game for Capcom, in Japan, but outside of that, no. Where is RE5? SF4? DMC4? Their big international IPs? Not on the Wii.
Basically, no, I don't think it's getting as good third party support as the GC, at all. Considering the Wii's install base, I don't think there is any good reason it isn't getting the top releases, exactly the same as the other two.
I'm not saying the GC had amazing third party support either, but it was better than the Wii's.
JimboJones
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But what was the point in decent third party support when it was the worst console to play third party games on, if all you had was a Gamecube and you were fine being completly ignorent of other consoles then sure I guess it was ok but if you had a ps2 or xbox there was simply was no point in buying any of those games on Gamecube.
terrdactycalsrock
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this is a question we can only look back on and answer.
Alx
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As a fan of arcade gaming, nothing will probably ever dethrone dreamcast in my heart.
There was still potential on this generation, and if you gather the downloadable games, wii shooters, different motion games, a few gems here and there, you can build a great experience. But you will need more than one console.
There was still potential on this generation, and if you gather the downloadable games, wii shooters, different motion games, a few gems here and there, you can build a great experience. But you will need more than one console.
Lando Jones said:Oh exactly, I actually love it!
I only suggest that because of the fact that theres such an overlap.
It's almost painful to not having both honestly (sold my 360 for booze money)
While having both though it def was bliss, hot gluing them together is the only way I can say one system this gen would be greatest console worthy
I hope Microsoft announces some new franchises soon. With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and now Valve support coming to PS3, my 360 is pretty much the Gears of War & Halo box... and I'm not a huge Halo fan.
There is certainly some truth to that, but if you only wanted to own one console, the GC was a more rounded single choice than the Wii is.JimboJones said:
The question was can any of these consoles (and I'd include the DS too) be considered the best of all time, I don't think there is any chance the Wii could, but the GC would be further up that list to me.
If it was can this be considered the best generation, then the third party status really wouldn't matter.
JimboJones
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HYDE said:
Wow one game, and even then the PS2 port wasn't that horrible and had extra content.
To me the Wii's third party while maybe not as expansive as GC it at least has more exclusive games and gives me a reason to own it and turn it on from time to time rather than the GC, which I could have done without but I kept it exclusively the first party stuff.
I think you knew I didn't literally mean there wasn't a single third party game on the Wii, because I imagine, although you don't know me, you could probably guess that I knew there was.Lonely1 said:
Wii only owners? They're good games, I think there would be demand.theBishop said:
HYDE
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JimboJones said:
That 1 game, was reason enough to own a GC. That is all that matters, especially since the replay value is/was through the roof. I have yet to purchase a third party title for wii, except RE4 w/ wii support. I will eventually get some when marked down though.
It's pretty clear for Nintendo fans to buy their systems for first party games anyways, except for handhelds, since the 64. GBA and DS are like the NES/SNES and the 3DS will be like the PS1/PS2.
weekend_warrior
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No. PS2 is best console ever.
Exactly. It's laughable to come to any other conclusion. Statements like "SNES was better for its time" are bullcrap, because you can't measure that. The variety argument is also very poor considering the great variety seen on current consoles (everything from $1 Indie Games experiences to AAA games), the further you go into past, the less variety you have.-COOLIO- said: