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[CrisKre]

I'm not making excuses for Capcom, but it's not like they haven't tried to put out something nice secifically for Wii. Zack and Wiki comes to mind, Monster Hunter 3.

I was acually going to comment on Z&W. I agree it does a lot of the things i stated right. Other things IMO... not so much. But it undeniably feels like its suited to the wii real well. Now, the problem lies with the fact that it seems so far not even Capcom believes in its Wii products. This is notable due to the lack of nay substantial Marketing push at all. Im alking about a game that has full publisher support, a game that the company behind it believes in. You can clearly see Capcom feels this way about RE5 or Street Fighter 4 even.

Monster Hunter is a good year away. Its good, but thats exactly my point. Well see how much advertising money Capcom allocates to this.

Funny enough: i think the one company that is playing its cards right when it comes to the wii market nowadays its Sega.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Umm, RE4 sold 1.5 million on Wii? Seriously?

Well if that's the case, then I retract my argument. I had no idea it sold that much. I thought it was like 500k WW, or less. I'm sorry if that is the case I appologize and that changes things. Anyone have the numbers?

Well, if RE4Wii managed 1.5 million, than I'll tell you Wii owners that there is good hope for a Wii port of 5 in the future.

Yup, 1.5 million, and UC is about 1.3 million sold.

Anyway, I think companies like Capcom need to rethink how they do ports. Ports wouldn't be bad if they were done well. There are probably some areas in RE5 that wouldn't work on the Wii, so I'd suggest they change them to something that would. Add alternate parts of a level, etc. BUT don't make it something shitty. If you have to replace an awesome boss battle that isn't possible on the Wii, replace it with an awesome boss battle that is.

And since Wii owners usually have to wait months later for the game, put some extra content. Maybe wrap up a few loose ends that weren't wrapped up in the normal version? I think an idea like this would get more than a few people to double dip.

 

[Dascu]

Heck, screw RE5Wii. By the time that's out, I'm sure there'll be a Wiimote hack for the PC version anyway.

Now how about Dark Void or Bionic Commando. It ain't too late to announce a Wii version for those, Capcom.

 

[Arpharmd B]

I was acually going to comment on Z&W. I agree it does a lot of the things i stated right. Other things IMO... not so much. But it undeniably feels like its suited to the wii real well. Now, the problem lies with the fact that it seems so far not even Capcom believes in its Wii products. This is notable due to the lack of nay substantial Marketing push at all. Im alking about a game that has full publisher support, a game that the company behind it believes in. You can clearly see Capcom feels this way about RE5 or Street Fighter 4 even.

Monster Hunter is a good year away. Its good, but thats exactly my point. Well see how much advertising money Capcom allocates to this.

Funny enough: i think the one company that is playing its cards right when it comes to the wii market nowadays its Sega.

Inufane wants Monster Hunter to be as big as Dragon Quest. So you can bet your ass they believe in the product.

Which again if you look at a business standpoint, all these decisions make sense and shouldn't surprise anyone. Capcom putting MH3 because it's a Japanese franchise, they put it on Japan's most popular home platform. So much for all these stupid "Capcom hates the Wii tech" and all this nonsense.

 

[Eteric Rice]

You know, Platinum Games is made of ex-Capcom staff right? And Capcom pretty much gives us opposite of what we want so...

"No means yes and yes means anal."

:O

 

[CrisKre]

Which again if you look at a business standpoint, all these decisions make sense and shouldn't surprise anyone. Capcom putting MH3 because it's a Japanese franchise, they put it on Japan's most popular home platform. So much for all these stupid "Capcom hates the Wii tech" and all this nonsense.

I agree that decisions are ultimately based only on financial business sense. Its understandable that Capcom is waiting on one HUGE wii product to see how viable more AAA high budget titles will fare. HD got that with Lost Planet and DR. Its just a bit baffling there hasnt been a middle point, or a sign to see more high profile titles coming. Its like they have NO CLUE how Monster Hunter Tri will do. How hard of a decision could it be to green light a RE4 or RE5 spinoff will all the bells and whistles for the wii?

I think it boils down to the fact that they are making money under their current model of igh profile HD games, and the cost of opportunity and/or risk is too high in their logic or something. It will make more sense to see how much of an upgrade in quality Darkside Chronicles is compared to UC to see is they are slowly upping their aspirations i guess. It could be a lot more ambitious, and then it would make sense.

 

[beje]

My wallet says no, as does my PC which reduces a lot of the appeal of the consoles.

Same here. I have more than enough money to buy both a PS3, PSP and 360 with the very very few games I like from them that I can't get on my perfectly capable PC

Yet common sense says no because after I complete said games, consoles will start gathering dust, and I already have a huge backlog of PC and DS games to take care those months when I don't like anything released on Wii.

 

[Y2Kev]

If you're looking for the best control scheme, why would you hack in wiimote support to the PC version? You already have the best control scheme with the native PC implement.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

If you're looking for the best control scheme, why would you hack in wiimote support to the PC version? You already have the best control scheme with the native PC implement.

I hate the keyboard end of mouse/keyboard. I'd rather have analogue to run around and wiimote/mouse to shoot shit.

 

[Azure J]

I hate the keyboard end of mouse/keyboard. I'd rather have analogue to run around and wiimote/mouse to shoot shit.

Honestly, I agree with this sentiment. I don't think I've ever gotten used to a keyboard for a control scheme past simple platformer controls due to this.

 

[Link]

You don't see psp fans bitching that much even when they receive late ports (of Monster Hunter games) which end outselling the original versions by 5 to 1 and then Capcom decides to release the next main entry on the Wii (without a psp version confirmed).

Actually, we see you bitching about that all the time. Including this very post (albeit in a veiled way).

EDIT - Just got through the rest of the thread. Holy shit, you certainly aren't complaining at all!

 

[Vilix]

Pachter was right. The Wii is the MacDonald's of gaming. And Capcom just gave us another McShitwich in a long line of McCrap.

 

[Spiegel]

Actually, we see you bitching about that all the time. Including this very post (albeit in a veiled way).

Bitching about Monster Hunter Portable 3 still not being announced and probably having a 6 to 12 month delay? Yeah, I'm guilty. Bitching about this is something fair, Monster Hunter 3 without many changes can fit on the psp and psp IS the main console for the series since 2006.

In the rest of my posts in this thread I'm just acknowledging that Capcom is treating the psp/ds like shit

If you are talking about my posts speculating about where the japanese third party support is going to go in the next few months, that's not bitching and has nothing to do with this.

 

[Sadist]

Saw some DR Wii talk here, so here:

http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-interview-grillin-capcom-s-seth-killian-124414.phtml

 

[Saint Gregory]

Funny enough: i think the one company that is playing its cards right when it comes to the wii market nowadays its Sega.

And isn't that ironic? Sega and EA, once Nintendo's bitterest enemies are the only big 3rd party publishers this gen that aren't treating the Wii like someone is forcing them to develop for it and Capcom... I honestly can't think of a 3rd party that Nintendo was closer to. They let them develop Zelda - ZELDA. How in the world did things ever get to this point :lol

Edit: Changed that a little since there are some small devs that have been really good to Wii.

 

[Sadist]

And isn't that ironic? Sega and EA, once Nintendo's bitterest enemies are the only 3rd party publishers this gen that aren't treating the Wii like someone is forcing them to develop for it and Capcom... I honestly can't think of a 3rd party the Nintendo was closer to. They let them develop Zelda - ZELDA. How in the world did things ever get to this point :lol

Well, there was this guy called Mikami and he lost his head.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Saw some DR Wii talk here, so here:

http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-interview-grillin-capcom-s-seth-killian-124414.phtml

I don't think he realized that many of the people joking about it... Weren't joking.

 

[beje]

Saw some DR Wii talk here, so here:

http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-interview-grillin-capcom-s-seth-killian-124414.phtml

Resident Evil invented “Survival Horror” as a genre

I think Scissorsman or Edward Carnby want a word with you, to name a few.

 

[Saint Gregory]

From the Destructoid interview

I think a lot of people decided to stick with the jokes and just try cheap shots instead of actually trying the game, which was lame

I know what he was trying to say but was this subconsciously intentional?

 

[Prime Blue]

I blame hilariousness. The internet can’t resist a good joke (or a bad one). Neither can I, but I think a lot of people decided to stick with the jokes and just try cheap shots instead of actually trying the game, which was lame.

O, ambiguity! :lol

 

[Mamesj]

I'm sorry, but Capcom's U.S. PR people are idiots. YOUR GAME FUCKING SUCKS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

 

[beje]

I'm sorry, but Capcom's U.S. PR people are idiots. YOUR GAME FUCKING SUCKS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

At least they could have hidden a little better that it was just a RE4 quick mod, like, being able to move the shooting view with the remote itself instead of the stick (which is completely retarded in this day and age, with dozens of games doing it much better), adding a couple different movements or altering the control scheme.

 

[Teknoman]

Whats all this about?

At any rate, we can’t comment on rumors, but as advertised, we will be making some interesting RE announcements soon."

From the S.kill interview. They arent unaware that the world knows about Darkside chronicles already right?

 

[Zachack]

Yes wow, I'm not a graphics whore like yourself, I value different things. To me the biggest improvement to this generation isn't HD graphics, its Pointer controls and having the controller split into 2. Being able to place my hands where ever the fuck feels comfortable is really nice.

Well, then you should get a good PC so you can be a HD gamer with your controller preference. You can even put a Nintendo sticker on the case so you don't feel like a heretic!

Here comes the its a popular franchise so it doesn't count argument. Convenient.

Here comes the typical whining about a perfectly valid argument. This may be hard for you to accept but a strong brand really does count in the real world.

 

[daycru]

WTF, no PS2 version? C'mon!!!!!

 

[Eteric Rice]

Where's that DMC cell phone game pic again? I can't find it. :O

 

[cvxfreak]

WTF, no PS2 version? C'mon!!!!!

Why would there be? GunCon 2 has long been out of the picture and doesn't even do the same thing the Wii Remote does.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Why would there be? GunCon 2 has long been out of the picture and doesn't even do the same thing the Wii Remote does.

I think it's supposed to be a joke.

 

[Link]

Here comes the typical whining about a perfectly valid argument. This may be hard for you to accept but a strong brand really does count in the real world.

Clearly that's why all the hottest brands are on the Wii.

No, wait....

 

[Phthisis]

Whats all this about?

At any rate, we can’t comment on rumors, but as advertised, we will be making some interesting RE announcements soon."

From the S.kill interview. They arent unaware that the world knows about Darkside chronicles already right?

More than likely Capcom HQ in Japan set a certain date for Capcom USA to announce the project in America.

 

[Frenck]

Clearly that's why all the hottest brands are on the Wii.

No, wait....

Aren't they?

Final Fantasy, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil and Dragon Quest are some of the the hottest brands in gaming right now. Or do you want all of these exclusively on the Wii?

 

[Buttseckslol]

I'm sorry, but Capcom's U.S. PR people are idiots. YOUR GAME FUCKING SUCKS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Hey, RE5's not that bad!

 

[Link]

Aren't they?

Final Fantasy, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil and Dragon Quest are some of the the hottest brands in gaming right now. Or do you want all of these exclusively on the Wii?

Are you purposely being obtuse? Or are you really this dense?

 

[Frenck]

Are you purposely being obtuse? Or are you really this dense?

I'm really this dense.

 

[Sadist]

More than likely Capcom HQ in Japan set a certain date for Capcom USA to announce the project in America.

Yup. Dead Rising Wii was announced in Famitsu and the official western press release wasn't out untill the thursday after the Famitsu reveal.

 

[wsippel]

Aren't they?

Final Fantasy, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil and Dragon Quest are some of the the hottest brands in gaming right now. Or do you want all of these exclusively on the Wii?

Well, two of them are, or seem to be, more or less Wii exclusive.

 

[Link]

I'm really this dense.

Haha, I appreciate the playful banter.

Seriously, though, spinoffs are hardly the same thing as mainline series. No one can honestly expect them to sell nearly as well, especially when they are almost always lesser efforts by B- and C-level teams, or just outsourced to a middling dev house.

 

[Mamesj]

Hey, RE5's not that bad!

zing!

 

[Jokeropia]

Here comes the typical whining about a perfectly valid argument. This may be hard for you to accept but a strong brand really does count in the real world.

So the fact that a traditional entry from a strong brand sold well doesn't count when assessing the feasiability of another traditional entry of the very same strong brand?

If you're looking for the best control scheme, why would you hack in wiimote support to the PC version? You already have the best control scheme with the native PC implement.

Directly aiming the wiimote in a 3D space feels better and more satisfactory than indirectly aiming the mouse on a 2D space.

 

[Link]

So the fact that a traditional entry from a strong brand sold well doesn't count when assessing the feasiability of another traditional entry of the very same strong brand?

Wii owners shouldn't expect hardcore cames because "teh casualz" won't buy them. Except the popular hardcore brands that people are familiar with. They don't count. So the Wii won't get those either. Makes total sense, doesn't it?

 

[Buttseckslol]

zing!

No zing. Seriously, fuck that game. The fact that Wii owner want a water downed port of that game proves how stupid they can be. It'd take far more than wii remote controls to make that a good Resident Evil game.

 

[[Nintex]]

Clearly that's why all the hottest brands are on the Wii.

No, wait....

I imagine a 24 countdown scene with Iwata laughing in the corner, Jun Takeuchi programming on Xbox 360 and you tazing the Wii Jack Bauer style next to them:lol .

 

[Eteric Rice]

No zing. Seriously, fuck that game. The fact that Wii owner want a water downed port of that game proves how stupid they can be. It'd take far more than wii remote controls to make that a good Resident Evil game.

I haven't been keeping up... Is it bad?

 

[Link]

No zing. Seriously, fuck that game. The fact that Wii owner want a water downed port of that game proves how stupid they can be. It'd take far more than wii remote controls to make that a good Resident Evil game.

This is how this thread is going:

Wii Owners: Dark Side Chronicles? We don't want this!

Others: If you want RE5, buy a 360/PS3!

Wii Owners: We don't want that either. We want an original RE game with RE4:Wii controls or even a remake of RE2 done up like REmake.

Others: Why anyone wants a watered-down port of RE5, I'll never understand!

Wii Owners: ...

 

[D.Lo]

Because developers are making money hand over fist making said shovelware. If you don't want said shovelware, don't buy it. And get another system that complements your gaming tastes with the effortful releases from said publishers releasing Wii shovelware

I think the biggest problem is the incompatibility between the arguments of last gen and this gen.

Last gen PS2 was the dominant system and sold heaps of software, so generally got all the good games. Gamecube owners (and Xbox fans to a lesser extent) were told the reason they didn't get certain games was because they didn't sell well enough, and the install base wasn't big enough to justify them. Even in cases where there was excellent evidence of good sales potential (Burnout, Soul Calibur), the Gamecube still got barred based on the sales/install base argument.

Wii is now the dominant system. But now Nintendo's problem is that games sell too well? So the argument is that shovelware sells so well, so why bother putting in effort? If that was the case, why did PS2 games get any effort? Surely publishers could have just released C-team crap and would have made money hand over fist?

Last gen Nintendo owners were told only sales matter. Now they have the sales, but still not the bounty.

I'm with Link, perhaps there was truth to the 'everyone else has it in for Nintendo' conspiracy. Nintendo gamers have been 'kiddy', 'grandma', 'don't buy 3rd party games', 'only buy Mario' 'don't buy mature games', 'don't buy complicated games', 'casual', 'stupid', 'buy any crap' - the condescension from 3rd parties has been constant and deafening for years.

 

[Buttseckslol]

I haven't been keeping up... Is it bad?

It just doesn't feel like a Resident Evil game at all and not in the breath of fresh air kind of way like RE4. If it doesn't feel like Resident Evil then it just becomes a standard action game with antiquated controls and mechanics. The single player coop and copy and pasted assets don't help much either. They should rename it something a little more telling like, "Resident Evil 4: HD Goes to Africa CO-OP Edition!".

This is how this thread is going:

Wii Owners: Dark Side Chronicles? We don't want this!

Others: If you want RE5, buy a 360/PS3!

Wii Owners: We don't want that either. We want an original RE game with RE4:Wii controls or even a remake of RE2 done up like REmake.

Others: Why anyone wants a watered-down port of RE5, I'll never understand!

Wii Owners: ...

Hey I'd love a traditional Resident Evil or something like RE4 Wii Edition minus all the crap I complained about. I don't see how the announcement of this game can't make that possible.

 

[Link]

I'm with Link, perhaps there was truth to the 'everyone else has it in for Nintendo' conspiracy. Nintendo gamers have been 'kiddy', 'grandma', 'don't buy 3rd party games', 'only buy Mario' 'don't buy mature games', 'don't buy complicated games', 'casual', 'stupid', 'buy any crap' - the condescension from 3rd parties has been constant and deafening for years.

I'm currently accepting applications. Positions are limited!

 

[Frenck]

Haha, I appreciate the playful banter.

Seriously, though, spinoffs are hardly the same thing as mainline series. No one can honestly expect them to sell nearly as well, especially when they are almost always lesser efforts by B- and C-level teams, or just outsourced to a middling dev house.

I see the Wii as the perfect opportunity for publishers to

a) sort their old franchises out and cut all the tedious crap that has been kept simply out of tradition -> Resident Evil, Dragon Quest (hopefully)

b) introduce new franchises that make use of the Wii's main strengths while overcoming its technical shortcomings with a strong art direction -> MadWorld, Zach & Wiki

What I don't want to see are Xbox or Gamecube games with added pointer functionality. Or downgraded X360 or PS3 ports with added pointer functionality. Capcom has the chance to introduce Resident Evil to a new audience and it'd be a shame if it was the same old Resident Evil we've been playing for years.

On the other hand I'd take a real RE third person shooter (no tank controls, lame push over enemies) over an on-rails game any day of the week. I've been waiting for a long time to actually be able to play an RE game without having to cope with the artifical boundaries which were implemented to keep the tension up.

Maybe a new team of devs can do that on a new kind of console with an audience that simply wants to play games.

 

[Nirolak]

No zing. Seriously, fuck that game. The fact that Wii owner want a water downed port of that game proves how stupid they can be. It'd take far more than wii remote controls to make that a good Resident Evil game.

Man these joke accounts. They manage to try to stir shit up among 360/PS3 gamers *and* Wii gamers at the same time. Can't wait for the oncoming handheld/PC zings.

 

[Link]

On the other hand I'd take a real RE third person shooter (no tank controls, lame push over enemies) over an on-rails game any day of the week. I've been waiting for a long time to actually be able to play an RE game without having to cope with the artifical boundaries which were implemented to keep the tension up.

Maybe a new team of devs can do that on a new kind of console with an audience that simply wants to play games.

Are you just pretending RE4:Wii didn't exist? Because this is exactly what that was and what everyone wants a new game to be built on. I'm beginning to think you really might be dense.