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Capcom explains why they dropped MT Framework in favor of RE Engine
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Hopefully REmake 2 is as close in style and quality as possible to the first Remake.
Screw VR.
Jawmuncher
Member
But where's Dino Crisis?
It's alright, Monster Hunter looks like shit anyway so it'd fit right in.
Patience, It takes time to retool RE6's combat system to work with dinosaurs.
VR is the best part of RE7, so I'm gonna have to disagree with ya there. Sounds like you haven't tried it.
giant_frying_pan
Member
Plus, various versions of Unreal engine being used for every game ever, Epic or otherwise.
Yeah I'm all for VR anywhere and everywhere possible but this is one case where I hope they don't use it and stick to what they did for the first game.
huh, so RE engine is going to be the new standard engine goin' on from now?
curious to see what kinda stuff it can turn out beyond RE7- that game has a pretty limited scope in terms of closed environments and low enemy counts. at the very least it seems like it's just as insanely optimized as MT framework so i'm really excited to see what gets done with it
curious to see what kinda stuff it can turn out beyond RE7- that game has a pretty limited scope in terms of closed environments and low enemy counts. at the very least it seems like it's just as insanely optimized as MT framework so i'm really excited to see what gets done with it
define "near max"
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
The Oculus ASW stuff has been live for a while and indeed works. So much so that they lowered their min spec for the Rift.
Unreal
Member
Seriously no mention of Panta Rhei?
What's Panta Rhei ? What's Deep Down ?
ArchedThunder
Banned
It's a pretty solid engine, but I hope for the next game they can work on loading times, texture resolution and texture streaming. Honestly the Texture streaming issues are my biggest issue.
Is there a minimum framerate they recommend now with the lower specs? I know it used to be 90fps, but do they say "45 will fly" now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Down_(video_game)
I still keep up hope we will see it one day.
Panta Rhei is the engine Capcom was developing for it.
BlastProcessing
Member
The game could work quite well in VR even without a shift to First Person. The same static, third person cameras would actually work quite well in VR and add a ton to the experience.
a diorama thing would be cool. I think it'd be neat if they got rid of pre rendered backgrounds to ensure it could work in first person and they could offer multiple ways to play in VR.
Capcom's Panty Raid failed before it even started.
Also Nirolak, I'm not seeing any reason for them dropping MT Framework beyond "LOL VR LOL" in that. I mean the reasons they give for the new engine are alright, but I'm not seeing anything that is "we couldn't do this on MT Frameworks or Unreal Engine, so we made our own engine again like MT Frameworks." Maybe I need to click through to the article...
They definitely would be able to use real time environments and keep the same camera angles (like Code Veronica and RE 3.5). I think the overall draw of using pre-rendered environments is the same as what made REmake so stunning when it first released on Gamecube. Going pre-rendered allows developers to create backgrounds that look much higher quality visually than the machine can actually render in real time. This also frees up the hardware for developers to put all of the engine's might on Character model detail, object detail, and effects.
I'd personally be interested in seeing what the PS4 can achieve visually when the developers don't have to worry about rendering the entire environment as well. The draw back of pre-rendered backgrounds is that overall game pacing has to be balanced not only based on the map layout, but the angle of each background. There's also the issue that having not having 3D environments removes the possibility fun extra modes, like playing in first person, or 3rd person over-the-shoulder.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
VR at its current fidelity and tech requirements still puts some restraints on gameplay and graphics that can be achieved compared to other AAA games. It also necessitates tight control over things like FOV and camera movement/speed.
If it's all the same, I hope REmake 2 is done in 3rd person, with no compromises in graphics or gameplay made for VR.
Chronos is one of the very best VR games and makes it pretty obvious that third-person fixed camera angles work great in VR. It even has vaguely Biohazard-style puzzles.
If REmake 2 is going to have polygonal environments and fixed camera angles (like Code Veronica), VR support would be relatively low-effort.
Yeah forgot about Chronos. totally does work super well. sometimes I had a hard time seeing what was going on when the character was far away from the camera, but otherwise it's tight
Dude what res? At 1080p, My 970 would drop from 60fps sometimes with those settings + disabled TAA in exchange for FXAA as well as dropped texture res from very high to high.
Gonna test it with vsync off to get some unlocked numbers.
edit: yeah your settings net me 90fps at most but tons of stutters and frame drops and crap
PowerThroughLov
Member
I still find it surprising Capcom thinks its worth their investment to make their own engines vs licensing Unreal. Take all of the "Then all games look the same!" arguments out of it, its just super expensive and time consuming to make an engine. EA inherited theres from DICE (its also very good and EA is very large to support it). Capcom does not have that scale.
SkylineRKR
Member
MT Framework is impressive on the whole. DMC4 and Dead Rising IQ are still pretty much flawless. It also handled fighters like MvC3 well. Very versatile engine and Capcom's output during the early 360 days was exceptional for a Japanese developer.
The "all games look the same" argument is pretty BS anyway.
My brain always wants to turn this into Panty Raid.
Crossing Eden
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Wonder if they originally were planning on making an RE game with Panta Rhei before it disappeared?
Pre-rendered backgrounds would really go against the workflow they established with this engine.
YuriLowell
Member
I would say maybe, but probably at 30fps.
Lol yep never played a classic RE game, nope never not once lmao. But seriously, tell me you've played RE7 VR and I will concede.
If it's just going to be a reskin of a 20 year old game, what's the point? People want REmake 2, but the only reasons REmake was so close to RE1 is Mikami and only having one gen separate the original and remake. Kamiya isn't there to say "this is how I wanted it"
Yeah but it's not like RE7 VR looks worse than RE2, or worse than REmake HD even. It can be in VR and still look amazingly better than both of those games. And VR putting more restraints on the gameplay? RE2 had such constrained gameplay, I don't think you could add any more if you tried.
Sora the Cat
Member
Judging by RE7 performance on PC, Switch could run it with no problems, probly at 30fps.
did you get the new Nvidia driver? I was getting stuttering till I got it,
Tell that to the ancient greek philosopher.
Zombegoast
Member
Capcom could maybe use this engine over UE4 for SFV to fix Ken/Akuma/Alex/Laura's hair.
An Intel Chipset can run this game at 30fps at 720p.
An Intel Chipset can run this game at 30fps at 720p.
Astral Dog
Member
I assume its going to be used for DMC as the engine prioritizes 60fps and while an MT framework sequel would look beautiful the REngine is the newest tech from Capcom and supposedly 40% more efficient
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Yeah, it looks and runs great, at least on PS4Pro. But, it can take crazy long to load in full textures sometimes. There was a point where I was just staring at a picture on a wall in disbelief that it looked so bad. Then suddenly it looked good. Must have taken a good 10 seconds to load in. Gave me some Rage launch nostalgia.