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Capcom puts anti-cracking rootkit in Street Fighter 5 PC version update
- Thread starter Jimmyfenix
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That'd require them to do a PS4 Pro Update for SF5. Dunno if I'd trust them with that, either.
Dick Justice
Banned
Hey, as long as they protect their microtransaction-infested business model, right?
It was more to protect thier revenue stream which they have a right to do but the way they went about it was stupid. Capcom needs to give the network development of this game to the US or a team that's actually competent enough to handle it.
You clearly don't understand what they did.
Writing a driver isn't that easy, so we aren't talking about a bug or some unintentional behavior that needs fixing. It's something that takes effort and was definitely done on purpose.
PC's aren't just gaming machines, they usually contain personal and financial data as well.
And they intentionally created a huge security hole in all of their customer's PCs to protect something in a game. That's insane.
It doesn't matter if later they decided to roll it back, and it doesn't matter why they did. Just the thought that they were willing to do this in the first place is very disturbing.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Imagine how people who bought the game + season pass feel :-/
Yep, after doing some more research I take back what I said. This was insane. This is one of the reasons why I have a console and glad to have my PS4. I still believe they wanted to stop hackers but they completely went about it the wrong way on PC. These fucking managers at Capcom...
Unknown Soldier
Member
'There is a Defense Force for Everything'
I can't believe you can't believe it.
It seems the defense force has had a change of heart, so I think we're good on this one now.
We should have seen this coming when they released Trojan in the 80s
Well played.
Hey, give me a break. I just see the glass half full all the time that's all, especially with a game that I know is fundamentally good. However, now knowing that they created a driver to deliberately prevent hacking that could also compromise your PC was indeed stupid, no matter how much they wanted to protect thier revenue stream. Sony, with thier years of experience, NEED to step in with this game and give a massive overhaul to it's network.
No, but the hilarious part on MS's end is that the unsigned driver warning didn't pop-up for anyone that upgraded Windows 10 at "launch" for the OS or upgraded from that to the Anniversary update. Apparently ONLY fresh installs of that current build informed you that Capcom's malware was unsigned.
Paging dlmn8r to smack everyone at MS HQ to patch this next patch-Tuesday on Win10 because lord knows they have the means for force this on everyone at this point to solve this potential security issue going forward.
The fuck? You mean the game brings up UAC prompts when launched every time?
Drivers don't need to be signed by MS, they only need to be signed by a valid root certificate authority. Starting with Windows 10 Anniversary, Microsoft is starting to require drivers to be signed through their developer portal, but it's still full of exceptions (only for fresh installs and drivers signed with certificates issued before a certain date are still allowed), so this would probably still slip through.
It's cool, the break has already been given. I appreciate that you've educated yourself via this thread (and perhaps by reading outside sources?) and now get why this was really bad thing for Capcom to do. Not everybody knows everything when they first enter a conversation, and your turnaround says a lot about your ability to see reason when it's presented to you.
That's pretty spot on. It hurts because the gameplay really is very good but everything surrounding it is a mess.
Meh. Apart from the rootkit stuff most of it was only relevant when the game launched. Online on good connections is fine (I mean they literally had online tournaments which ran smoothly) and matchmaking is fixed. I do agree they need to fix clipping though but that's a minor gripe as the gameplay is fine.
I'm pretty sure we have a GAF thread and a bunch of Tim Sweeney tweets protesting vehemently against this (requiring MS signed drivers) when it was announced.
Fuz
Banned
AND a simple, necessary thing like keyboard rebinding.
Octavianus
Banned
We should have seen this coming when they released Trojan in the 80s
That guys facial expression is cracking me up.
I find it hard to consider DirectInput to be "deprecated" or "obsolete" with XInput as the only replacement.
XInput was made for the XBox 360 and its controller, with no real consideration for anything above or beyond that. It can't support more than 4 controllers, it doesn't support older controllers, it can't support any axes or buttons or other features beyond exactly what the 360 controller has, and it can't even identify controllers beyond simple 1-4 numbering. While it has the advantage of being much simpler, it's also woefully inadequate at actually replacing the full functionality that DirectInput can provide.
Yes. Because the anti-cheat needs to "handshake" and start the Capcom.sys/malware to do that.
No, we had tweets about MS crippling the OS (and rightly so) with UWP/A applications by sandboxing it.
Preventing unsigned drivers isn't anything to complain about in terms of computer security. I don't know why Sweeney or someone would complain about that outside of non-legit drivers like DS3Joy or whatever it's called (which turned into Malware eventually) and you can manually disable that protection if you need to and know the drivers are okay.
Capcom purposely is holding a gun to your head to do it.
No, dude, everything is fine. Capcom is a well-intentioned, pro-consumer company that puts customer satisfaction before their bottom line. Street Fighter V is a good, competent product that has been perfectly well-managed at every turn. People are just jumping on the band wagon and acting entitled. There's no call for outrage.
You know I love ya, buddy.
But seriously, I think a lot of people are blinded by nostalgia and their love for the franchise. Look, we all WANT to love and enjoy the game we bought (midnight release for me!), we all want a great future for Street Fighter, but at what point is it enough?
...And yet, seven months later... it's still relevant especially on PC (read: Nothing but Xinput supported out of box when SF4 did DirectInput AND Xinput out of box). You're reading a PC review and then going "but it works fine on PS4 doe!"
No offense, but since you had no idea why this malware was bad: Why are you continuing to defend Capcom from our ire? You don't even own the PC version to understand why the PC version is so bad/in a bad state.
DryEyeRelief
Member
never ceases to amaze me
You do have the tendency to throw more fuel on the fire when it comes to this game but this time your fuel is actually justified. At launch the game was indeed bad but after 7 months they have come a long way with many features and updates but this thing with PC has set thier consumers trust back again. Is it a good product? Well, yes as from the gameplay perspective it's one of the best fighters out there and is doing very well in the fighting game community but from a management perspective? No fucking way. I seriously want the development of this game to be exported to the USA as soon as possible because they might actually do a better job at management because clearly the Japanese team have no fucking clue.
Well you did say to read the "review" and I pointed up stuff that was clearly wrong. I didn't realise PS4 players can't point out flaws on a PC review of a game. They have fixed and implemented a lot of stuff in 7 months but I do agree that they should have given the PC crowd thier D-inputs. Also, if you read my posts later on I am absolutely annoyed why Capcom would even think to implement the rootkit crap.
The loader driver has been disassembled (basically it got translated from machine code to Assembly language, someone analyzed what it does and said it only launches other code at kernel level) - not sure if I can link it directly, but it's somewhere in this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/544tg5/warning_to_all_sfv_pc_players/
Offtop, but does PSO2 still use it? I was thinking about picking it up soon, but I think I might not.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Fuck the last thing Sony needs is to be anywhere near rootkits again. Christ.
Yeah, that was a long time ago. People remember though, because that was some messed up shit. I can't really remember on what the rootkits were delivered, though. Wasn't it just audio CDs? Pretty sure it wasn't software.
This is some messed up shit, too.
DryEyeRelief
Member
I agree. If enough requests aggregate steam might have them all go through like no man's sky.
I'm going to try later.
Yes, it was audio CDs.
LincolnTunnel
Member
I'm not defending Capcom at all over this whole fiasco, but it's really bugging me that people are still complaining that Capcom is doing stuff like this instead of implementing things like direct input support or other quality. These wouldn't be worked on by the same people. They wouldn't be doing just one thing at a time. That's not how game development works.
HappyPuppy
Member
I was interested in firing the game, haven't played in like 2 months ... wtf happened in this update. Uninstalled just to be safe, I'll probably reinstall it in season 2. I really want to try the new KoF game, seems interesting.
SFV was my first experience with an online fighter, I now have emotional baggage.
SFV was my first experience with an online fighter, I now have emotional baggage.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Thanks for sharing the warning!
I thought it was odd that I needed to go through UAC to allow the game to run, but I'd never have imagined that Capcom would actually install a rootkit. I guess I wont be playing SFV until this insanity has been corrected, which is too bad as I was just getting into the game again.
I thought it was odd that I needed to go through UAC to allow the game to run, but I'd never have imagined that Capcom would actually install a rootkit. I guess I wont be playing SFV until this insanity has been corrected, which is too bad as I was just getting into the game again.
deadscreensky
Member
I mean, with the way SF5 development has gone it's entirely possible these are the same people. Or person, even. It doesn't seem like a project with a lot of different, experienced coders working on it...
But I think what people are really complaining about is Capcom's priorities. Realistically they didn't sit down and choose to infect all of their PC customers with rootkits instead of finishing DirectInput. But effectively from the perspective of the customer that is exactly what Capcom has done. They've had ages to implement all sorts of basic quality of life improvements that they've ignored, but whenever there's anything that seems to threaten their DLC plans they make it a super priority and get it done. It's insulting when they seem to only care about extracting more money from us.
To be fair this update does actually have some major feature improvements, but put up against including a goddamn rootkit it's hard to feel generous, especially after seven months of waiting for things like Daily Missions and functional stats.
CharlesSurge
Member
This should have further investigation and then if justified: Steam should at least issue a statement on their guidelines on malware transmissions/definitions and the repercussions for their partners who violate or continue to violate them.
Steam should absolutely have strict rules against this sort of stuff. If games start packaging malware that will severely harm the marketplace.
Steam should ban games from requesting administrative rights elevation. That's shady as fuck.