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Capcom wants to break records with Monster Hunter 4
- Thread starter Sammy Samusu
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Exactly this.
MightyKAC
Member
Out of all the oddball decisions for Capcom to make I think that one confuses me the most.
Metallix87
Member
Pretty sure the Wii U version of Tri G was dirt cheap to make, and Capcom has admitted that they considered the Wii U version a smash hit in terms of sales. Monster Hunter 4 would likely sell even better.
Mr_Appleby
Member
pretty much every MH announcement has gone this way. If it was coming to Vita, the thread would be full of people complaining that it's not Ps4.
To be fair it's a very polarizing game series. Mostly because of the gameplay. For some it's the best thing, for others it's clunky, difficult and frustrating.
What's sad to see however is those that choose to disregard it based on it's graphical quality or lack thereof. The heart of MH is gameplay, and that gameplay is not impeded in anyway by that perceived lack of graphical quality.
It's an up-port which is way more easier than a down-port.
Ad campaign and localization for both the 3DS and Wii U version in the west. 3DS version sales are ~150K in the US.
Japanese Wii U version is 200K+. Japanese 3DS version is ~1.9M.
Nintendo covered full server support in all territories.
Nintendo also covered publishing duties for Europe.
Capcom had more to benefit from this really.
Porting it to the PS3 makes the most sense.
I definitely acknowledge that it isn't easy and it doesn't help that it really is a series that requires there to be a "click" to get into, but it's just that many people who discuss about it probably haven't even tried the series.
MightyKAC
Member
Not to be "That Guy" but you don't happen to have any sales figures on any of that do you? Because that you make this whole discussion a lot more productive.
I don't know about Monster Hunter 4 specifically, but I definitely think future Monster Hunter games could benefit tremendously from stuff like Pokemon and Animal Crossing.
The big audience for Monster Hunter are primarily middle/highschoolers right? A bunch of the Pokemon X/Y kids that didn't necessarily get a PSP might find themselves picking up a new Monster Hunter game a few years down the line.
The big audience for Monster Hunter are primarily middle/highschoolers right? A bunch of the Pokemon X/Y kids that didn't necessarily get a PSP might find themselves picking up a new Monster Hunter game a few years down the line.
InsaneZero
Member
If MH4 is bomba then there will be people literally doing seppuku.
I think that Capcom has the odds stacked against them regarding this desire. PSP's LTD was sitting at 16M when Monster Hunter was released, and I have the feeling that the PSP's userbase was more homogenous in Japan than the 3DS' currently is. People who want Animal Crossing are not necessarily the same people who want Monster Hunter.
I know that Monster Hunter 3G was a relatively early game on the 3DS, but it sold nowhere near as well as 2G on PSP. A slower start is understandable, but I would have expected stronger continued sales going forward. Low/near launch install bases never really held back the other major series like Final Fantasy or Pokemon.
I know that Monster Hunter 3G was a relatively early game on the 3DS, but it sold nowhere near as well as 2G on PSP. A slower start is understandable, but I would have expected stronger continued sales going forward. Low/near launch install bases never really held back the other major series like Final Fantasy or Pokemon.
I don't even know what Capcom would do if MH4 did bomb. I'm not even sure if the possibility has ever entered their heads.
They aren't supposed to sell MH to ppl under age of 17.
MightyKAC
Member
There is no conceivable way MH4 will bomba. I do however worry about what kind of expectations Capcom will place on this game though. I.e. what happens if it "only" make 3 mil instead of breaking whatever record they're trying to break.
It would be a shame for this series to go the way of Resident Evil because Capcom expected too much out of it.
It would be a shame for this series to go the way of Resident Evil because Capcom expected too much out of it.
Isn't it C?
Oops you are right (I thought it was D but I think it was for older versions).
I think 15 yrs or older you can buy it, then.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Yep.
Capcom actually released MH Felyne (that cute spin-off) to attract more female and young players to the franchise, which led to MHP3 record sales.
Magicpaint
Member
Not the majority no, but you never know what chunk could be. The Monster Hunter Diary games which are not too dissimilar to AC were cited by Capcom as games that helped further raise interest in the series leading to Portable 3rd.
Edit: Beaten.
While that may be true, when you add together the various budget versions, MHP2G was already over 4M copies in Japan. MHP3 sold more up front at full price, but overall, it only pushed the series up ~25% from where 2G was sitting. MH4 will need to more than double 3G's sales to take the record. Maybe that will be the case, but it definitely doesn't seem like a done deal to me.
I read your post, but I still don't understand why you won't buy a 3DS to play the game. I'll buy whichever system has this franchise vita, wii u, android, i dont care as long as the quality is there.Hahaha, I love the pretentiousness of some of you guys posting here. Port begging, like third party developers should need reasons for getting their product out on as many consoles as possible. My favourite comments being:
and:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hardware sales come around from both first and third party software. I'm not talking about saving the Vita at all, as far as I'm concerned, the best is yet to come there. But the point remains, at E3 you saw lots of big third party companies at the platform holders conferences to advertise their products and hopefully sell more of them.
Do you think they only turn up after the platform makers first party titles have sold enough consoles to deem them worthy of development? What is this, Wii-U? (Okay, too low, I'm just playing.)
I don't see why Capcom wouldn't want to bring Monster Hunter to Vita. It's got a great following on PSP and the brand is somewhat synonymous with handheld gaming, Nintendo isn't the only company in this space and both Sony and Capcom could profit on this. Ubisoft posted positive sales on Vita with Rayman and Assassin's Creed. The potential is there, nobody seems to use it and the more Capcom ingnore it, the more some fans become indifferent to it and like me, I'll stop caring and just give it amiss. Soul Sacrifice was just as good a game as Monster Hunter, even if it is a clone. I'll just buy future Soul Sacrifice installments when they're released and Monster Hunter if it comes to Vita when it's cheap. Sony profit on those sales and Capcom, less so.
See? Missing potential.
Yet, people will say "If you want to play Monster Hunter, buy a 3DS." PFFFT! It's not Capcom's job to sell 3DS', thats on Nintendo.
Ok, this bullshit really needs to stop. I could care less where MH goes at this point, but it's pretty damn irritating seeing this air of shitty superiority coming from Nintendo fans about people wanting MH on another platform when they've only had it on Nintendo platforms since a few years ago. Let's not forget that NDS fans were asking the same reason why MH wasn't coming to NDS and coming to PSP instead. Port begging isn't great, but pull your heads out of your asses and stop acting like you haven't wanted a game on another platform yourselves.
Was that talk on the DS ever prevalent, though? There was never any hope of Capcom squeezing the game down to DS specs, and I think that most people understood that.
goldenpp72
Member
I've observed this forum since the DS was conceived and I very rarely ever saw people here clamoring for a port to the DS as I don't even think it was considered technically feasible, where as every thread I've read on the MH series for 3ds has revolved around wanting Vita or PSP ports. I'd be curious to see actual side by side evidence, but I don't think most DS fans were dying for this series as they had not played it before, so in that context it makes some sense.
With that said, fans of MH need to buy a 3ds and get over it, not so bad owning both and it's not like we didn't know this was a thing pretty early on, if anything wasn't the MH to 3ds move done before Vita even released?
With that said, fans of MH need to buy a 3ds and get over it, not so bad owning both and it's not like we didn't know this was a thing pretty early on, if anything wasn't the MH to 3ds move done before Vita even released?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
have you ever stopped to think that a lot of the MH fans were aware that the franchise was moving to the 3DS a few years ago and made the platform jump with that in mind, and that those fans of the franchise might be the ones telling people to stop with the port begging? instead you're creating some nintendo fan boogieman, this scenario you've gone and created is pretty weird and awkward to read. like the only thing that exists in the world are console fans
The Monster Hunter move to 3DS is more similar to the Final Fantasy move to PS1 than people just wanting a random game for System X. The series had basically been an exclusive to Playstation consoles since conception, and now the mainline series is on a Nintendo handheld. I can see why some Sony fans are hoping to get the series back. Nintendo fans definitely wanted Final Fantasy back. The rest of us will just buy whatever we need to to play the games we like.
metalslimer
Member
Port begging is bannable end of story and there is a good reason for it. People need to get their asses over it or secretly hope it fails on 3DS (which im sure some will do), but stop all the whining.
I'm going to need proof of that. I doubt there were as many posts shitting every MH thread during the PSP era.
And please, you're so transparent with the "Nintendo fans" strawman... It can't be that people who genuinely care about MH are pissed about every single thread (except the OTs) about the games devolving into port begging mess. It must be the Nintendo fans being all uppity about it... Especially when pretty much none of the people with those shitty posting habits have ever participated in a MH OT.
What platform will move more units? Seems like the 3DS does pretty well over in Japan where MH sells best.
Let me guess: They should try to make it a Western AAA blockbuster?
IMO its smarter for Capcom to keep MH off the Vita at this point because this way people will have the same game that the person they meet on the train, or some sort of gathering would have the same game. I wouldn't have a problem if a newer MH game came to the Vita but I wouldn't expect any chance for it be localized and I'm not willing to play the game in Japanese.
RBY aren't called "the best selling RPG of all time" for nothing lol
I really can't understand the mentality of people doing port begging here and what worst is some people even said "Nahh we don't really care about this series anyway, but i still wanted this series to be on other system"
I myself really like this exclusivity as in my opinion, exclusive game is probably one of the my personal excitement for that platform. I even prioritized myself more on purchasing exclusive title first rather than multi platform title as i believe the chance for the game price to drop will even be higher compared to exclusive title.
And for most Gaffers who complain that game is not as interesting as old times, isn't exclusive on each different consoles is the thing that makes us happy to multi console owners?(Gamers?)
I myself really like this exclusivity as in my opinion, exclusive game is probably one of the my personal excitement for that platform. I even prioritized myself more on purchasing exclusive title first rather than multi platform title as i believe the chance for the game price to drop will even be higher compared to exclusive title.
And for most Gaffers who complain that game is not as interesting as old times, isn't exclusive on each different consoles is the thing that makes us happy to multi console owners?(Gamers?)
metalslimer
Member
Yes the game would break records on PS3. I'm sure it could sell 5 million copies on the PS3 install base in japan. God i can already tell MC threads are going to be a mess in september/october
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
My friends and I are so hyped for this, we all really hope it comes west. Especially because with online now we'll be able to play even if one of us moves away by then
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I have no horse in this race (Ive always thought MH looks a bit shit tbh) But I have to say Ive found the "no port begging" rule to be one of the most bizzare on Neogaf. We are all consumers at the end of the day of course we are going to want games on our hardware of choice.
Its like me finding a feature of iOS and saying "Id love to have this on android". Responces like "buy an iphone" are silly because its not something intrinsictly linked to the devices hardware.
I do understand that it does stifle discussion somewhat, but unless someone is say "X console is shit, X company has stole our gaymes, why is this happening ARRRRGH" I really dont see the issue.
You like MH and have a 3DS? cool, happy for you. But I dont see the problem with people who are turned off by Nintendo or any other companies polices and ecosystem wanting a game to be on a platform more akin to their tastes. This is not a first party title, nor is it a title that could only run on a 3DS. Considering that Capcom want record breaking sales, its not fair fetched to say that those sales could be aided by beinf multiplatform.
Its like me finding a feature of iOS and saying "Id love to have this on android". Responces like "buy an iphone" are silly because its not something intrinsictly linked to the devices hardware.
I do understand that it does stifle discussion somewhat, but unless someone is say "X console is shit, X company has stole our gaymes, why is this happening ARRRRGH" I really dont see the issue.
You like MH and have a 3DS? cool, happy for you. But I dont see the problem with people who are turned off by Nintendo or any other companies polices and ecosystem wanting a game to be on a platform more akin to their tastes. This is not a first party title, nor is it a title that could only run on a 3DS. Considering that Capcom want record breaking sales, its not fair fetched to say that those sales could be aided by beinf multiplatform.
People need to realize there are other forums outside of GAF that had these discussions in the heyday of PSP/NDS. Monster Hunter not being on NDS was a hot topic.
As for the strawman jab, you'd be pressed to go into a MH thread in the past and not see that the people complaining about port begging are guess what? Nintendo fans complaining about people wanting the game on Vita. In any case though, there's no point in discussing this particular matter because port begging is bannable and people are going to jump on anyone suggesting MH coming to anything other than 3DS/Wii U.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its a problem with volume. I've seen threads go bad, especially before the rule, where, no joke, upwards of 70% of posts in a thread are "I want this on platform X"
At that point its just noise. No-one is discussing anything.
metalslimer
Member
If you want to talk about sales options, discussing a game on other platforms is fine although i would still disagree that the game has that much potential going multiplatform relativve to costs, but port begging has destroyed many threads. Guess what? The game is not going multiplat anytime soon, so there is no need to fill up a thread with requests to another platform. I
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Which is fair enough. Like I said, I have no problem with people calling out drive-by trolling or people shitting repeatedly the platform a game its on, while claiming it would do better on X or Y.
But the general sentiment that you are not allowed to say you want to play an exclusive title unless you are willing to go through the considerable expense of buying new hardware is in my view a bit messed up, especially in the context of a thread like this.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
We can beg for localization here maybe
The 3DS is more than capable of handling god eater 2 PSP and you still don't see any port begging in god eater 2 threads.
Metallix87
Member
Sales figures? No. But we have a quote from Capcom:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/capcom_describes_monster_hunter_3_ultimate_as_a_smash_hit
Conrad Link
Member
Complaining about the people complaining about the people port begging.
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jeremy1456
Junior Member
On the Vita?
You really think that game alone would sell three million systems alone? That's about what it would have to do in order to even stand a chance of breaking the series record.
I mean really people. This is kinda getting insane.
The "no port begging" rule was made so that they don't clutter threads that contain new trailer, screenshots, new info etc. with "man I wish this is on ___" everytime such thread gets posted. The comment drives the thread into a dangerously fanboyish direction, which is not what the thread is about (to discuss the new information).
I feel that it's fair to say "This will sell more on ___" on sales thread, though, since sales is the discussion. But the "meh, I want this on my console" comments drives the thread nowhere,
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Who is complaining? As ive said, I have no horse in this race. I just find it to be a bizarre rule.
However, people have explained their stance and just like MH exclusivity, it isnt changing anytime soon, so best we leave it as that.
On these Western forums the series is nearly all hype. Lots of people port begging so their favorite system gets a sales lead, I can't even tell how many actually want to play it among the comments.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Yes! I think it can revive the Vita IF it happened. But it can't be a port. It has to take advantage of the Vita's graphics and power and be a brand new MH game.
I think it'll happen a couple years later and the Vita will live up to its namesake and have "life!"