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[ArtHands]

Wrong, Assassin's Creed: Liberation was last said to be near 600,000 copies. I'm pretty sure it's sold more than that now.

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/02/assassins_creed_iii_liberations_sales_near_600000_units



And as I said, I'm sure it's something Sony have discussed with them. I would imagine it would be beneficial to both companies, the new Monster Hunter is going to go worldwide at some point and then you're reaching a bigger market and the market for Vita worldwide can only get bigger. Given it's usability with PlayStation 4 and also software coming out, it'd be a shame to miss that opportunity, especially when Vita has a pretty solid software attachment rate compared to it's install base.

600k copies really doesn't change the point. Capcom sold more than a million street fighter 4 3d edition copies, when 3ds is less than a month old. Vita still doesn't have a millier seller yet at this moment.

Besides, vita won't be the only platform growing worldwide. 3ds just topped the npd chart in june and is growing at a much faster rate than the vita worldwide.

 

[VanWinkle]

I'm fairly certain there's more people mentioning "port begging" than people actually port begging in this thread.

 

[Ridley327]

Which is really puzzling, considering the fanbase Capcom has built on the 3DS.

It's not really that crazy when you figure that Sony probably moneyhatted everything remotely similar to MonHun to avoid that situation from happening again. Perhaps it's a bit "too little, too late," but you never know what the next MonHun is going to be.

 

[HardRojo]

Splitting the userbase of a local multiplayer-based franchise sounds pretty much like a good way to destabilize the franchise faster.

Wouldn't people get the game for the platform their friends will play on then?

600k copies really doesn't change the point. Capcom sold more than a million street fighter 4 3d edition copies, when 3ds is less than a month old. Vita still doesn't have a millier seller yet at this moment.

Besides, vita won't be the only platform growing worldwide. 3ds just topped the npd chart in june and is growing at a much faster rate than the vita worldwide.

Don't forget Pokemon is about to come out, if Japan's numbers this week are to go by, the 3DS is gonna explode on sales this year.

I'm fairly certain there's more people mentioning "port begging" than people actually port begging in this thread.

Agreed, I'm not a MonHun fan but even then people will claim I'm portbegging when I'm just stating my opinion, I couldn't care less if MonHun didn't come out on other consoles.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

oop at all the portbegging. 3ds will continue to slay. mh4 will be the best one yet.

I see no lies. 3DS owners stay unbothered and at the top of the gaming industry.

 

[Hot Coldman]

It's not really that crazy when you figure that Sony probably moneyhatted everything remotely similar to MonHun to avoid that situation from happening again. Perhaps it's a bit "too little, too late," but you never know what the next MonHun is going to be.

Chances are, the "next MonHun" is going to be nothing like MonHun.

Actually, the "next MonHun" is probably Puzzle and Dragons, lol

 

[RM8]

Actually, the "next MonHun" is probably Puzzle and Dragons, lol

Coming to 3DS no less

 

[Hot Coldman]

Coming to 3DS no less

*googles*

Ha, no shit! Wow. Welp. 3DS has more pull than I figured.

 

[Anteo]

Wow, I mean it's been what, 2 years since they announced this game? And the port begging is still strong :lol

I had never played a MH game before the 3ds version, my insterest picked with all the port begging and I was introduced to what I would call one of my favorites frachises now. Here's hoping that it does really good, want to see more of this game.

 

[thestopsign]

It's difficult not to cross the line here so being utterly clear, I personally think it would be nice to see Monster Hunter on Vita, I'm not willing to go so far as to 'beg' for it.

But, it has to be said, talking about breaking records given it's target platforms seems a tad hypocritical.



I don't know, I mean they did Street Fighter x Tekken so I'm sure the resources and building blocks would be there. It's upto them really. But it's not just about Vita, many tablets could run this game and that is a big market.



I wouldn't care to be quite frank. It's a game I'd be happy to buy, not one I need to buy.



Okay, sure. If you feel that way. If you're looking for a word without the need to go into depth, you could try cynical or discourse. But I would disagree, I think like Wii-U as you have rightly said, developers are failing to see it as an attractive market because of it's current performance in the market. A game like Monster Hunter however, can change a lot, including opinion, install base and software sales. Like I said before, it takes first and third party software to sell a system, the responsibility is not wholly the platform owners. If that was the case, why not just have a first party system? If developers are hesitant to work on your system, provide them with incentives.

Like I said, if Sony made the option to have Sony Japan collaborate on a project and co-market the product, it could work out for everyone involved. That's a good incentive. If the developer doesn't want to work with you even if you made a very generous offer more beneficial to them, then why bother. Stuff like that can come back to bite you though.

It is not up to the third parties to sell consoles at all. It is up to the first parties to create an environment for the third parties to have opportunities to turn a profit. Whether that is through selling enough hardware or incentives or exclusive contacts. Nintendo beat Sony to the punch in some facet of the Monster Hunter deal and that is why they have the franchise now. First parties start the process most of the time, and hopefully create a trust with third parties so that they can keep the platform running strong, Sony never created that trust with the Vita.

 

[InsaneZero]

Wouldn't people get the game for the platform their friends will play on then?

Yes, and that's why Capcom won't bother with a multiplatform release. A scenario where people won't be able to play with other people with the game goes directly counter to the reason why this game became popular in the first place.

 

[Ridley327]

*googles*

Ha, no shit! Wow. Welp. 3DS has more pull than I figured.

Nintendo is leaving nothing to chance in Japan!

Nothing!

 

[CadetMahoney]

You know I don't want a Vita port. Fuck, I don't even want a Vita.

hehe

 

[HardRojo]

Yes, and that's why Capcom won't bother with a multiplatform release. A scenario where people won't be able to play with other people with the game goes directly counter to the reason why this game became popular in the first place.

I don't know much about MonHun so I need to ask this: Has the franchise proven to be a stellar seller on Wii, WiiU and 3DS?

 

[ArtHands]

Overly ambitious Capcom is overly ambitious. Even if the 3DS had a userbase of 20 million I still don't think that this game would shatter records. It has a lot of hype and I expect 3 million+ but that isn't record breaking unless you do some serious goal post moving.

Also lol at the port begging.

I think one of the things Capcom needs to do to ensure success is manage their initial and future shipments. I remember they over shipped with Tri which left a lot of retailers stuck with stock.

Yah. Pokemon X and Y will be released like a month or so before this game too. I imagine both games will eat into each other's sales.

I don't know much about MonHun so I need to ask this: Has the franchise proven to be a stellar seller on Wii, WiiU and 3DS?

I remember the MH3 Wii was a moderate success, while the MH3 3DS really exceeded Capcom's expectation by a nice margin.

 

[InsaneZero]

I don't know much about MonHun so I need to ask this: Has the franchise proven to be a stellar seller on Wii, WiiU and 3DS?

Tri was a moderate success, while 3DS has been very, very good to Monster Hunter 3G.

 

[Lesiroth]

It's not really that crazy when you figure that Sony probably moneyhatted everything remotely similar to MonHun to avoid that situation from happening again. Perhaps it's a bit "too little, too late," but you never know what the next MonHun is going to be.

Are there that many though? Of the top of my memory, I can think of Toukiden, Ragnarok Odyssey and GE2 whenever that releases.

 

[mrjohill]

Are there that many though? Of the top of my memory, I can think of Toukiden, Ragnarok Odyssey and GE2 whenever that releases.

Also soul sacrifice and freedom wars

 

[HardRojo]

Tri was a moderate success, while 3DS has been very, very good to Monster Hunter 3G.

I suppose they can afford to keep it 3DS exclusive then but Pokemon is going to hurt their sales, everything points out to it dominating the charts for several weeks.

 

[SlipperySlope]

Sounds like a lot of people in this thread need a 3DS.

 

[Ridley327]

Are there that many though? Of the top of my memory, I can think of Toukiden, Ragnarok Odyssey and GE2 whenever that releases.

Sony took on two for themselves with Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars, and there's other third party series like Valhalla Knights and the port of Gundam Breaker. Also, while not a MonHun clone, PSO2 is definitely gunning for the same kind of crowd.

 

[InsaneZero]

The primary reason why Capcom would decide to go with Nintendo's platforms over Sony's early on is that Nintendo has a wide variety of incredibly strong handheld franchises that serve different audiences. Capcom has a better shot of getting people who normally wouldn't get Monster Hunter to play it.

On the other hand, Sony's previous platform, the PSP, was built entirely on the back of Monster Hunter. Releasing it as a Vita exclusive would drive sales of the Vita, but those sales would be driven by people who would buy a platform for Monster Hunter anyway. It wouldn't necessarily expose new players to Monster Hunter and expand the userbase.

All this talk about moneyhats and publishing deals being the primary driver of the decision is rather silly.

 

[NervousXtian]

No way this will look like the gif in the OP.

I haven't seen anything while playing my 3DS that shows it can do 3D graphics at anywhere near that caliber.

Still, can't wait.. well.. I can.. as this probably won't see a NA until like 2015.

 

[DrWong]

I suppose they can afford to keep it 3DS exclusive then but Pokemon is going to hurt their sales, everything points out to it dominating the charts for several weeks.

I think Nintendo & Capcom are expecting the opposite in the long run: both franchises will benefit to be on the same hardware at the same time.

 

[thestopsign]

If that was true, I'd see console announcements with games made solely by first party studios. Which cannot be said of PlayStation 4 or X-Box One or a lot of consoles.

What's the point in developing games for systems you don't own if the exclusive games have to prove the console if worth developing for. This would mean that all third parties depend on the internal teams yet I would argue completely against that. Third party support is essential, it add's to the market and add's value to a console, so much so that people might buy one for that very reason. Selling consoles expands your market and so on.

You are not listening to me. It is still up to the first parties to court third parties by having appealing hardware and some sort of marketability. Microsoft and Sony both went after publishers for launch their upcoming consoles, you can bet your ass on that.

 

[Ridley327]

No way this will look like the gif in the OP.

I haven't seen anything while playing my 3DS that shows it can do 3D graphics at anywhere near that caliber.

Still, can't wait.. well.. I can.. as this probably won't see a NA until like 2015.

That gif is comparable to what MH3G already looks like. It ain't that impressive, outside of the animation.

 

[Ryuuga]

Sounds like a lot of people in this thread need a 3DS.

What if boredom is preventing them from buying recent handhelds?

 

[Calamari41]

I think Nintendo & Capcom are expecting the opposite in the long run: both franchises will benefit to be on the same hardware at the same time.

I would expect short-run benefits too. The guy who has never played Pokemon before might say "fuck it" and give it a try with his brand new 3DS MH4 bundle. Likewise, the Pokemon fanatic who never played Monster Hunter could do the same when he sees the frenzy for MH4. It's one thing to have to buy a whole system to try MH or Pokemon for the first time, but if it's right there on the shelf/in the eshop all ready to go for a system you already have, well that's a different story

 

[InsaneZero]

I suppose they can afford to keep it 3DS exclusive then but Pokemon is going to hurt their sales, everything points out to it dominating the charts for several weeks.

Why?

I haven't heard of any blood pacts that prevents people from buying both games.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Fuck a Vita put this shit on PC.

 

[NervousXtian]

That gif is comparable to what MH3G already looks like. It ain't that impressive, outside of the animation.

I put countless hours into MH3U.

It doesn't look like that.

 

[SlipperySlope]

What if boredom is preventing them from buying recent handhelds?

What does my boredom have to do with others?

 

[NewGame]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Tri sold a few million on Wii where as Tri Ultimate on both 3DS and WiiU sold only a combined total of 'a bit more' than it's Wii title. From memory the numbers were something like 2 million and 2.5 million. Even with the servers all united (Bar glorious Nippon) the average server population is ~1000 which must stand for something.

Now the PSP title MHP3 sold around 3-4 million right (It was the most popular, yeah?)? Wasn't there a shortage of games for some time during or after launch? It sold over a million in a week or something crazy, right?

If Monster Hunter 4 wants to "not only hope to see it break sales records of the past installments, but also see it surpass other unprecedented records" it would have to sell over 9 million considering Mario Kart and 3D Land all have sold over 8 million.

Keep dreamin' Capcpom.

EDIT:

Here's Capcom's official platinum Monster Hunter best sellers as of June 2013:

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

- Monster Hunter 3 Freedom for PSP
5th best selling Capcom title
4.7 million copies

- Monster Hunter Freedom Unite for PSP
8th best selling Capcom title
3.3 million copies

- Monster Hunter Freedom 2 for PSP
13th best selling Capcom title
2.4 million copies

- Monster Hunter 3G for 3DS (includes MH3 Ultimate sales)
18th best selling Capcom title
2.1 million copies

- Monster Hunter Tri for Wii
24th best selling Capcom title
1.9 million copies

- Monster Hunter Freedom for PSP
41st best selling Capcom title
1.3 million copies

Ah ha! I knew the numbers were lying around somewhere. (On the front page...)

 

[RurouniZel]

*watches some more MH4 vids*

God I need this game. I hope it sells as much as Capcom is hoping! I want this to come stateside!

 

[goomba]

No way this will look like the gif in the OP.

I haven't seen anything while playing my 3DS that shows it can do 3D graphics at anywhere near that caliber.

Still, can't wait.. well.. I can.. as this probably won't see a NA until like 2015.

Haven't played Resident Evil Revelations ?

 

[Sammy Samusu]

No way this will look like the gif in the OP.

Yeah, it will look better than that, don't worry.

 

[Ryuuga]

What does my boredom have to do with others?

I ..what? I didn't mention anything about your boredom. There is always something preventing someone from taking a dive, doesn't excuse all the supposed port-begging though.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

What if boredom is preventing them from buying recent handhelds?

If they bought the recent handhelds, their boredom would be alleviated.

That boredom comes from not having a 3DS and PS Vita.

 

[Metallix87]

So much port begging in one thread. Let's face the facts, folks:

1.) Capcom basically gets nothing by porting the game to the Vita. Sony might offer them incentives, of course, but the Vita's install base is too small for the game to really expand it's audience, and most of the audience will stick to one platform simply for the multiplayer.

2.) IF the system is ported anywhere, it will likely be to the Wii U, and mostly for the international audience. I would expect Nintendo would handle marketing and such.

 

[Gamerloid]

With the 3DS selling like wildfire, they should see great success with this game. Install base keeps on growing so more potential sells, as well as those buying a 3DS just for this game.

I don't see why people don't understand why this wouldn't come to the Vita. It's the same thing as the Wii U. Install base is just so small and isn't exactly selling very well. You can say its a system seller, but wouldn't you just get it for the 3DS anyway? 3DS already has a monster hunter, so the fan base will be there already.

 

[komaruR]

my guess
1.25 mil first week then lifetime around ~3mil
will break record if its 4G HD

 

[Hero of Legend]

Remember when we were wondering who did the Wii U version of MH3G?

It was indeed 8ing (who did the 3DS version):

http://www.8ing.net/

They definitely didn't have the listing there when it came out, I think even passed new years it wasn't there, took them long enough.

 

[ArtHands]

I'm not sure we have proof of that yet. We don't have solid software numbers, though I would imagine Uncharted and LBP are the closest to selling a million, if not already at that number.

If either game is a million seller by now, I believe Sony will have already released a press release since its a major vita milestone. The fact that Uncharted is still crawling to the million mark worldwide, while Capcom's Wii port of MH3 on the 3DS sold more than a million copies in Japan alone in 2011 only solidify the idea.

If Monster Hunter 4 wants to "not only hope to see it break sales records of the past installments, but also see it surpass other unprecedented records" it would have to sell over 9 million considering Mario Kart and 3D Land all have sold over 8 million.

8 million sales are worldwide mario kart and 3d land sales, while MH4 is not confirmed for the west. Its obvious that they are only referring to Japan region only in the context here. You are jumping too far into the conclusion.

 

[Zoramon089]

PSP? The hardware is about the same as a 3DS, I doubt they'd have to touch any of the graphics

Such blatant trolling...

 

[Chance Hale]

I want a Vita port just to get rid of the horrible aliasing everywhere. Hell, a Wii U version would be great too.

Still grabbing the game at launch though, looks great and I'm interested to see how the newly introduced verticality affects the game as a whole.

 

[Ryuuga]

Such blatant trolling...

Is it though? They both have one analog stick.

 

[jimmypython]

What the heck is going on with the console warrior and port begging bullshit in this thread? If you want Monster Hunter so bad, buy a 3DS.

for MH4, you'd have to import both 3DS and the game.

 

[Ivan A Nguyen]

I'll buy Day 1 of the NA release. Midnight download this time?

 

[ArtHands]

Is it though? They both have one analog stick.

no 2nd screen for touch/optional 2nd analog stick on psp

 

[FreedomFighter]

Which is really puzzling, considering the fanbase Capcom has built on the 3DS.

Everyone trying to cash in on that void that Capcom left...