Leafhopper
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I couldn't even say that as a joke.
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Capcom's difficult position
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I couldn't even say that as a joke.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Capcom going under will be another blow to Japan's gaming industry.
Wasn't 4 a return to basics Street Fighter 2?
Dead Rising 4 was just a bad game. It being multiplatform wouldn't have helped much.
lol no. Sega has Sega EU to crack out big hit strategy games. Namco has a truck load of license games. Both of them have successful mobile titles. Also both of them expand greatly out of the gaming industry. Capcom is not gonna be like Sega or Namco if mid budget games are all they make. They gonna be like Atlus and get acquired.
They've been supporting Nintendo since December 1985.
Nemesis121
Member
Capcom doesn't need a fresh audience they need to make a better product.
Well Capcom is going to get shit on for not Localizing a MH that people want and for not even porting simple 8 bit collections.
Capcom's biggest problem is looking for profits where they haven't been earned. Making a good game doesn't guarantee success, and losses are possible, but their "buy now, get a finished game later - possibly requiring the purchase of DLC" is not working for them. Nonetheless, they continue to tread water by worrying about a disappointing launch and then making a bunch of financial safety nets that alienate consumers, resulting in another disappointing launch... It's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.
The odd game they don't do this with, like Monster Hunter, ends up working out. You'd think somebody at Capcom would take a step back and notice, or at least see that this self-sabotage isn't typical of all publishers. The industry is competitive, and names aren't enough to carry a product across the finish line on their own anymore, nor have they been for this entire generation.
The odd game they don't do this with, like Monster Hunter, ends up working out. You'd think somebody at Capcom would take a step back and notice, or at least see that this self-sabotage isn't typical of all publishers. The industry is competitive, and names aren't enough to carry a product across the finish line on their own anymore, nor have they been for this entire generation.
witchedwiz
Member
DeuceGamer
Member
I think both Sony and Nintendo would possibly want Monster Hunter more than any other IP. Nintendo would probably be interested in locking it down with all of the Japanese sales.
The problem of Capcom is something that has been in the making for years;
- Talent leaving in droves; Mikami, Kamiya and keypeople who were involved in games like Resident Evil and others.
- Constantly having unrealistic expectations of their software, to which they have to change their forcast every time
- And in more recent years, Phanta Rae never coming to fruitation
- Countless tries on entering the mobile market and never making a splash
They had some good moments like Street Fighter IV reenergizing the fighter market and MT Framework being a good engine for them, but as of right now they seem to small. I'm really curious about MH for PS4/Xbox One, because I'm not entirely sure its going to perform that greatly.
- Talent leaving in droves; Mikami, Kamiya and keypeople who were involved in games like Resident Evil and others.
- Constantly having unrealistic expectations of their software, to which they have to change their forcast every time
- And in more recent years, Phanta Rae never coming to fruitation
- Countless tries on entering the mobile market and never making a splash
They had some good moments like Street Fighter IV reenergizing the fighter market and MT Framework being a good engine for them, but as of right now they seem to small. I'm really curious about MH for PS4/Xbox One, because I'm not entirely sure its going to perform that greatly.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Capcom is far from a difficult position.
Their core IP's are still multi-million sellers with huge appeal. They need to work on making games with those IP's that resonate more with the fanbase and the quality they were known for.
Their IP's are so notable that first parties will easily fund them in exchange for exclusivity as well.
Their core IP's are still multi-million sellers with huge appeal. They need to work on making games with those IP's that resonate more with the fanbase and the quality they were known for.
Their IP's are so notable that first parties will easily fund them in exchange for exclusivity as well.
I've never heard such concern trolling bull in my life. You're one of the biggest haters who comes in dogpiling a game to make the competition look good by making up the most arbitrary shit possible. Then when you get called out on it you act the victim like a few others around here and scream WHY Capcom didn't do this or that when you're not entitled to shit. Tekken 7 didn't provide users with a LOT of things yet it gets a pass.
You were the one shitposting while people were trying to have a discussion so don't act the martyr now and the only bad look anyone is giving around here is yourself. Talking about "bitter" it seems how much of a popular IP and game (it's certainly not "dead") is really getting to you - otherwise you wouldn't be jumping in on these threads like a dog on heat all the time.
That's because of double standards. You really think the same the wouldn't happen if it was the other way round? Right.
Now I've heard it all. "Extremists". Most people, like myself, who have been with the series for a long time (before SF4) actually like the game. It's not perfect however. The thing with you is you like to pick and choose which opinion suits your narrative and then put your fingers in your ears when someone gives you a positive or constructive about opinion about this game. I could say the same for Tekken, been playing since 3 and stopped at 5 because the series got stale really fast.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
They expect their games to be a return on investment. Games cost money to make. A lot of money. And it isn't good enough for them to simply break even. Are they consistently missing their sales targets? Yes. But those sales targets are not "unrealistic". They are pragmatic.
Yes, because Capcom really need to tie themselves to the eternally leaking ship that is Platinum Games.
Indeed
Considering how the previous installments did around 4 millions and they switched consoles to increase the sales, this means thy are aiming at 5 millions sold at least, plus higher profits from dlc
Looking at the Japanese landscape this probably means 3.5 millions sold sold I the west
We will see
Game looks great
I doubt you know anything about Capcom employees to make that kind of statement. I mean, for one, there's Hideaki Itsuno who is more than capable of creating a great Devil May Cry game.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Itsuno would make a better DMC game than Platinum ever could.
Soul of the Beast
Member
Never underestimate Asia, most non-Japanese MH fans stop playing MH after it becomes 3DS exclusive. Not because we don't like the 3DS but becuase they have shit support outside Japan.
A lot of non-JP MH fans are insanely hyped about MH:W.
You will see my friend, you will see.
The DMC series is their trump card when things get bad for them so we'll see what happens when they announce a new one. Now if MHW AND a new DMC fails? I think that's when they'll start selling off properties lol.
GhostTrick
Banned
Also, I feel like a lot of people; especially this article, are quick to draw conclusions.
Sure, Resident Evil 7 or SFV underperformed compared to Capcom's expectations. But it doesn't mean they're not making money with these games. I'd be even more interested to see how SFV is doing for them with season passes and digital downloads.
As long as they keep doing good money, they're in a fine position. The real problem is how sustainable this situation is, with underperforming titles. Basically, I feel like Capcom is ramping up things, but doesn't get the right lecture of their fanbase.
They should ramp up more for ports, and ones that pleases the mass, for multiplatform.
As for new games, I understand that tech problems slowed them down. But even then, I feel like new productions failed not because of tech problems, but because of a misunderstanding of fans expectations.
Sure, Resident Evil 7 or SFV underperformed compared to Capcom's expectations. But it doesn't mean they're not making money with these games. I'd be even more interested to see how SFV is doing for them with season passes and digital downloads.
As long as they keep doing good money, they're in a fine position. The real problem is how sustainable this situation is, with underperforming titles. Basically, I feel like Capcom is ramping up things, but doesn't get the right lecture of their fanbase.
They should ramp up more for ports, and ones that pleases the mass, for multiplatform.
As for new games, I understand that tech problems slowed them down. But even then, I feel like new productions failed not because of tech problems, but because of a misunderstanding of fans expectations.
Rickenslacker
Banned
what is with the term stan getting popular use lately, such a weird thing to hear
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Stan's been a commonly used phase in hip-hop since Eminem's Stan dropped in 2000. Most people who have been with hip-hop for decades (like myself) have been using it since then.
Rickenslacker
Banned
dunno if i'm just baader-meinhofing here because i've not heard it used at all until this year
Yeah it's used in hip-hop all the time. Nas on Ether called Jay-Z a stan and even that helped the word grow given that's where the "ethered" phrase used online comes from. Most people just didn't know where the word came from. Idk if people saw a meme with it now and more people caught on but it's pretty common.
AgentLampshade
Member
Yeah, and give it a developer famous for great storytelling [citation needed]. That's what DMC fans want in their action game.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Hey, I'd love a great story in Devil May Cry! But that's not what we got in DmC...
Dr. Carroll
Banned
What DMC fans want is neither here nor there. One of the worst things a developer can do is bend over to please vocal fans of a series. I say this as someone who doesn't like the modern Tomb Raider titles because of what they did to Lara. Devil May Reboot was very well received overall, and it's ironically one of the better selling games in the series at this point. It sold fantastically on Steam, especially.
Don't feel bad, I'm in the same boat :/
Monocle
Member
Also platforming. DMC fans loved the awful platforming in the the previous games, so it would be a super great idea to add a bunch more awful platforming with an awful grapple-whip mechanic for maximum skill-intensive stylish action.
I'll chime in here and say that I think you're right. I say this because, even as someone with very limited exposure to the series (watching some let's plays, and playing through that kinda bad MH:3 Ultimate demo on Wii U) I'm insanely hyped for MH:W. It looks like a major evolution for the franchise in terms of gameplay, and it also doesn't hurt that it looks drop dead gorgeous, rather than being stuck with PSP era visuals like the rest of the games, lol. I can't wait!
Yeah, absolutely. I'd be so down for Super DMC bros. Also, you know what else I think all DMC fans would love? A stamina bar! Think about it, take a game built around chaining as many moves and combos together as you can, and then severely limit that gameplay with stamina management. It would be just like Dark Souls, and the kids sure do love Dark Souls these days!
If Monster Hunter World doesn't sell well..... Oh boy.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
Resident Evil 6 and Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen both revolved around stamina management. It's a pretty good mechanic for character action games because it prevents players from abusing certain techniques by spamming the same attack over and over and over in a short period of time.A stamina bar! Think about it, take a game built around chaining as many moves and combos together as you can, and then severely limit that gameplay with stamina management. It would be just like Dark Souls, and the kids sure do love Dark Souls these days!
I'm really angsty about what MH World is going to do to the franchise (and by extension, Capcom).
It's just such a huge gamble. And with one of their major franchises and breadwinners to boot.
Changing to open world from connected contained areas necessitate complete change of approach to many issues
Vastly increased physics model and interactivity between Monsters as a source of bugs and exploits
Extended gameplay mechanics (Sneaking around, Lasso harpoon thing, etc) makes it harder to balance
Platform switch (especially due to Japanese core market preference for mobile gaming)
Returning to home consoles(/PC) changes audience and expected feature set considerably
Increased cost ("proper" HD, animation, physics, AI), possibility of wasted assets & investments if not successful
Audience could splinter over three platforms, one of which is open (mods/hacks/fan patches) meaning less cohesion
Any single one of those issues would be challenging by itself, but they are doing a Hail Mary and are tackling all of them in one go. That's incredibly dangerous. Or should I say heroic, to be diplomatic. If it works, it will easily let them coast along for a few more years. If I doesn't, then I am genuinely fearing for my MonHan. Capcom doesn't seem to be able to stomach many more punches, and even with MonHan being a core franchise, things could go from bad to awful rather quickly.
So yeah, I truly wish they'd stop fucking around. Them pulling these kinds of stunts when they're on shaky legs is not inspiring confidence. Don't you dare fuck up, Capcom. Imma shank your seedy ass in a back alley if you do.
It's just such a huge gamble. And with one of their major franchises and breadwinners to boot.
Changing to open world from connected contained areas necessitate complete change of approach to many issues
Vastly increased physics model and interactivity between Monsters as a source of bugs and exploits
Extended gameplay mechanics (Sneaking around, Lasso harpoon thing, etc) makes it harder to balance
Platform switch (especially due to Japanese core market preference for mobile gaming)
Returning to home consoles(/PC) changes audience and expected feature set considerably
Increased cost ("proper" HD, animation, physics, AI), possibility of wasted assets & investments if not successful
Audience could splinter over three platforms, one of which is open (mods/hacks/fan patches) meaning less cohesion
Any single one of those issues would be challenging by itself, but they are doing a Hail Mary and are tackling all of them in one go. That's incredibly dangerous. Or should I say heroic, to be diplomatic. If it works, it will easily let them coast along for a few more years. If I doesn't, then I am genuinely fearing for my MonHan. Capcom doesn't seem to be able to stomach many more punches, and even with MonHan being a core franchise, things could go from bad to awful rather quickly.
So yeah, I truly wish they'd stop fucking around. Them pulling these kinds of stunts when they're on shaky legs is not inspiring confidence. Don't you dare fuck up, Capcom. Imma shank your seedy ass in a back alley if you do.
Monocle
Member
DMC has totally different gameplay loops than those games though. It would be absurd to put a hard limit on repetitive actions in a DMC title, where rapidly chaining attacks by canceling their recovery frames is central to advanced play. (Capcom was exactly right to add a soft limit instead, so that spamming the same attack doesn't build the style bar.)
Ninja Theory's DmC contains comparably ridiculous design choices, like color coding enemies so they can only be damaged by one weapon type, and increasing the floatiness of the player character so drastically that staying airborne is almost as easy as staying on the ground.
The Cartographer
Member
In the end they're is just reaping what they sow more than ten years ago.
If they want things to change for the better they should just shake up their devolpment plans and try to launch even just one brand new series for this generation of consoles.
If they want things to change for the better they should just shake up their devolpment plans and try to launch even just one brand new series for this generation of consoles.
Capcom was my favourite publisher in the PS2 generation so it's sad to see them squander their potential, creativity and fun over the last two generations.
They'll need to do a couple of things:
* More RE7 style critical darlings, it may not be big sellers at first but confidence needs to be restored.
* DMC5. Let them learn from the flaws of DMC3 and DMC4, and create a great game that has a fanbase waiting. Heck, I don't have any current gen tech and I'd freaking buy it day 1.
* Look back over the smaller franchises and see about bringing them back, Dino Crisis is a big one.
* Sensible budgets and expectations.
They'll need to do a couple of things:
* More RE7 style critical darlings, it may not be big sellers at first but confidence needs to be restored.
* DMC5. Let them learn from the flaws of DMC3 and DMC4, and create a great game that has a fanbase waiting. Heck, I don't have any current gen tech and I'd freaking buy it day 1.
* Look back over the smaller franchises and see about bringing them back, Dino Crisis is a big one.
* Sensible budgets and expectations.
Deep Down
lol
Dr. Carroll
Banned
Different genre, but Shadow Warrior 2 did something similar, where a lot of enemies had elemental resistance, meaning you had to keep switching between weapons with the relevant elemental gems you had inserted in order to do any meaningful damage. It was a controversial choice, obviously.
FanDeNintendo
Neo Member
Outside of a Nintendo, Capcom probably has the best collection of IPs in the industry.
So despite the fact they have over three decades of proven hits with proven game design, they just can't help themselves and make decisions time and again that alienate their fans and hamper the enjoyment of the games with unnecessary corporate meddling.
They can suck the fun out of a guy with a bionic arm, salt the earth for one of their most beloved mascots while Nintendo treated him better, needlessly redesign and reboot a franchise that was never in any danger of growing stale, rush out their preeminent fighting game series without basic industry standard modes, and neutered countless unique genre games by making them as bland as possible with QTEs and expensive setpieces that bore rather than thrill, all while spending a whole generation pushing the limits of acceptable DLC practices by charging for basic things like pallet swap colors, friendly fire, cheat codes, the final 1/3rd roster of a game already on the disc, simple difficulty modes, and even game endings.
Capcom can't help themselves. They break things that were never broken time after time and then wonder why they keep failing to meet sales targets.
So despite the fact they have over three decades of proven hits with proven game design, they just can't help themselves and make decisions time and again that alienate their fans and hamper the enjoyment of the games with unnecessary corporate meddling.
They can suck the fun out of a guy with a bionic arm, salt the earth for one of their most beloved mascots while Nintendo treated him better, needlessly redesign and reboot a franchise that was never in any danger of growing stale, rush out their preeminent fighting game series without basic industry standard modes, and neutered countless unique genre games by making them as bland as possible with QTEs and expensive setpieces that bore rather than thrill, all while spending a whole generation pushing the limits of acceptable DLC practices by charging for basic things like pallet swap colors, friendly fire, cheat codes, the final 1/3rd roster of a game already on the disc, simple difficulty modes, and even game endings.
Capcom can't help themselves. They break things that were never broken time after time and then wonder why they keep failing to meet sales targets.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
Phoenix Wright has never actually "done well" per se, AFAIK. At least outside Japan. Sales have always been middling. That's why two major entries were never released outside Japan.