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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Zola in Winter Soldier.
Yes he did, he lied at that part and when Stark asks him again, he admits he knew.
I think it was also implied that Black Widow gave Captain America files at the end of the film that detail Bucky's involvement.
Technically he didn't, at the time Steve didn't know Winter Soldier was Bucky.
Secret Fawful
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I dunno. I took it to mean he knew about HYDRA killing them, and that was enough.
BronsonLee
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Tony: Did you know
Cap: I didn't know it was him
Tony: Don't bullshit me Rogers, did you know
Cap: Yes
How is that shit up for any different interpretations whatsoever
Cap: I didn't know it was him
Tony: Don't bullshit me Rogers, did you know
Cap: Yes
How is that shit up for any different interpretations whatsoever
Yea, I don't know how this is up to any interpretations either. The film made it dead obvious he knew.
He knew in the sense that he figures it out based on the info he was given --- Zola implicitly told him+Winter Soldier turns out to be Bucky+mind control exists.
It's not like he knows straight from reading some files or something.
BewareTheBatsie
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It's a little confusing. I do think Steve knew but tried maybe lying which Tony calls out.
If Steve didn't know it was Bucky then it makes it confusing why he would keep the secret from Tony for two years. Telling him his parents were murdered would be rough but why would he hide it? If it was because his parents were murdered by Bucky then it makes sense as to why Steve would not tell him.
If Steve didn't know it was Bucky then it makes it confusing why he would keep the secret from Tony for two years. Telling him his parents were murdered would be rough but why would he hide it? If it was because his parents were murdered by Bucky then it makes sense as to why Steve would not tell him.
Thank you.
I mean, someone posted the letter in this thread before. If that didn't make it more obvious, I don't know what to say. Probably people who want to believe Cap wouldn't lie, but we know he would if he thinks he is doing the right thing:
Why was Fury at your apartment?
I don't know...
orthodoxy1095
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I can't wait for your salty tears when Bucky picks up the mantle.
Reizo Ryuu
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And when was that going to be? Cap didn't find out about the winter soldiers until the airport, where stark brushed him aside even though he had 12 hours left to "bring them in".
Yeah it doesn't work that way, like I said if bucky was killed there's no way in hell cap would stay on, and neither would anyone that followed him.
The accords told them to stand down and JTTF would handle it, meaning that following the accords would've gotten bucky killed; rhodes only gets involved when the JTTF strike goes south because of Cap.
There was literally no way after the UN bombing that Cap would've signed, or honored the accords if he signed them earlier
Also no plan is 100% foolproof and doesn't have to be.
They signed the accords, and after the bombing it was decided that JTTF would handle it.
Stark's team wasn't sent to get bucky because there was a kill order, Rhodes only came in after JTTF failed because of cap. So yes stark was "on board" with whatever the accords dictated.
BronsonLee
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Cap has no problem lying if he thinks something is amiss/he's trying to protect someone
He tried it with Tony but that situation was fucking done anyway
My tears are dry
No salt for me, only freedom
Also why would I want an amputee to be Captain America
He tried it with Tony but that situation was fucking done anyway
My tears are dry
No salt for me, only freedom
Also why would I want an amputee to be Captain America
Black Widow gives him files at the end of Winter Soldier saying to be careful not to pull on this thread. It's not a stretch at all that those files confirmed the Winter Soldier killed Howard.
Not to mention he could have either figured it out or pieced it together later off-screen. Either way he flat out admits he knew prior.
Mainly that, but mechanical shooters also allow for more versatility in other areas, like using different types of web fluids, to fit the situation.
Web shooters basically allow Peter to be more creative.
Plus, spiders don't shoot webs from their limbs either.
I was referring more to the Bucky killed Tony's parents issue.
So what you are saying is that it would only make sense if they came out of his
I'd love to see that comic book, lol.
Reizo Ryuu
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fair enough, the other avengers would still be in jail though and cap would've been a fugitive along side bucky.
shiftplusone
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i prefer bucky to 90% of the cast
a) most spiders don't "shoot out" their webbing and b) the web glands are in their asses
e: beaten like bucky
So what you are saying is that it would only make sense if they came out of hisassabdominal gland?
I'd love to see that comic book, lol.
Edit - Darn it.
As far as Cap knowing - I feel like it was willful ignorance. He knew HYDRA assassinates the Starks. He knew that Bucky was the premiere HYDRA assassin. Did he ever read a document saying "Winter Soldier killed Howard Stark?" I don't think so. But I think, like half the audience in the speculation for Civil War, he had a strong inkling. He just chose not to connect that dot.
BronsonLee
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It ties into what Sharon Carter was saying earlier too, about not telling Peggy about certain events because she didn't want to make her keep secrets from Steve. A lot of the film is about how dangerous information can be, whether it's unveiled (Hydra files that Zemo gets) or hidden (Bucky's murders).
fallengorn
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So what you are saying is that it would only make sense if they came out of hisassabdominal gland?
I'd love to see that comic book, lol.
It's been done.
Edit: You guys...
mrmickfran
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I wonder if anyone here switched from #TeamCap to #TeamIronMan by the end of the film.
I'd make a thread about it, but it's entire nature would be a spoiler.
I'd make a thread about it, but it's entire nature would be a spoiler.
Affeinvasion
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Aunt may was super hot. That is all.
not in this lifetime
DrForester
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The orders were to shoot on sight. Tony and the others had no problem with that.
Pai Pai Master
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I didn't switch but I was 100% team Cap until the end. Watching Tony see that video, I really couldn't root for either side after that.
This conflict was handled so much better than in the comics. It felt much less manipulative by not dangling hundreds of dead kids in our faces. Every part of the argument had both sides pretty understandable.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Well I mean his other powers don't exactly match 1:1 with actual spiders so I don't really see that being an issue. Some of the other responses being brought up make sense though.
metalslimer
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Yeah I did end up team iron man just because one person wasn't worth the damage they caused trying to save him. I mean I understood caps motives with Bucky being his last connection to the past. Of course this is only by the end because of that guy did plan on making a team of super soldiers he needed to be stopped.
Live Free or Die
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So from what I gather the Avengers are broken up/done as of the end of this movie? Then the events of infinity war part 1 will cause them to get back together?
Pai Pai Master
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Probably. Half the team can't operate publically without risking arrest and imprisonment.
Well the only Avengers that aren't fugitives are Iron Man, a crippled War Machine, and Vision.
metalslimer
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Yeah that's why there are not any more big ensemble films until them. Doctor strange Spiderman, Thor 3, GotG2, and Black Panther can all operate separately. Ant Man is different but he's sort of criminal anyway.
It helps that they don't really have to explain why no one is helping like Thor 2 or Cap 2
Also, that will be the point where everyone understand that #CapWasRight because the UN wont let them go to space and fight some purple guy about a handwarmer
Live Free or Die
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. since Cap broke them out at the end, they're going to be wanted. I wonder how going to play out in Ant-Man 2? Is the movie going to with him in hiding or something? Will be interesting to see.
Thanks for the input!
It's going to be weird how they fit in the solo movies between the two Infinity War films. Ant-Man and Wasp and Captain Marvel are both sandwiched in-between.
Pagusas
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I was 100% team iron man and by the end hated Caps stance even more. The dude is a text book vigilante.
mrmickfran
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I understand what Tony was going through, but yeah, he just reacted the wrong way. Both sides got skeletons in their closet.
Maybe he should join Daredevil & co. in The Defrnders. Haha
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About Howard and Maria's deaths, couldn't they have done an autopsy on them and realize that it wasn't the crash that killed them? Hell, for Maria, it would've been pretty obvious that she was strangled. But in Winter Soldier, their deaths were labeled as "car crash".
Hydra is everywhere. Most likely the investigation was sabotaged.
"The only person I trust to be always right is myself" is such a stupid stance to take.
Autopsy want common back then. Detective rolls up, sees car crash, finds bodies, writes up car crash as COD. Nobody would think to autopsy the bodies.
metalslimer
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Yeah I imagine the destruction is going to be pretty high unless Thanos doesn't attack Earth which would be disappointing.
Not really after unveiling that everything is controlled by Hydra. Steve has every reason to have trust issues
DrForester
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They kind of have to be. They can't be used as political leverage. And this movie showed why. The organization that would oversee them is corrupt.
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