SillyEskimo
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Why are people who hate MCU movies so sleepy all the time?
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Why are people who hate MCU movies so sleepy all the time?
Octavianus
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Well I mean, he did have the benefit of being right this time at least.
Can't believe how perfect Tom Holland is as spidey / Peter. I was kinda disappointed when they revealed him but they made the right choice. Hope they don't fuck up his solo movie.
Also, fucking Giant-Man!
orthodoxy1095
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May having money =/= Peter having money.
If that's the case, then the implication is like the comic book arc, people are being forced to register?
Man, I think that's too hard to police. Keeping it bound to the Avengers probably would be better. Any enhanced...that's too far reaching. I mean, does that even apply to Black Widow and Hawkeye? They're just regular humans.
And are we seriously expecting folks like THOR or HULK to agree to any of this?
I'm pretty sure Asgardians operate outside of the laws of mere mortals like ourselves and I don't see Thor going "oh, Loki's attacking the planet? Better wait for Belgium to get around to telling me it's okay to stop him."
Jest Chillin
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The accords are an international law imposed by the UN. So it sould deal with international events (Avengers and AoS), but I doubt it would really apply to Spidey while he's doing street level crimefighting and accident stopping. I can't imagine the UN caring that much about stuff like that.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...-black-panther?utm_term=.mo1eekwoo#.msA55Evyy
Buzzfeed has an in depth article on the making of Civil War.
Buzzfeed has an in depth article on the making of Civil War.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
His current outfit still needs more color and bird motifs for sure.Just give it time, to the point Sam starts wearing a more comic accurate costume until eventually he fights Thanos wearing this.
Affeinvasion
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It was a pretty thick document. There's all sorts of stuff in those accords. The dumb thing about the accords other than all of it is that the US would veto it very easily. The avengers operate from us soil and they would want direct control. That the US government didn't snatch up the avengers after the events of winter soldier is the most unbelievable thing in the MCU.
Badpsychometry
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So I know the accords will affect AOS, what about the Netflix shows?
SpookyFries
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I am sure it's been mentioned already but dat cgi young RDJ blew my mind more than anything
LawfulEnder
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I think the chief motivation for the Accords is that the Avengers were operating all over the world and completely ignoring sovereign states/borders/laws. It impacts SHIELD because SHIELD is doing the exact same thing, but someone like Peter is exclusively running around New York City (aside from his jaunt to Germany with Tony), so he's not really a concern.
On a semi-related note: a lot of people have pointed out that Peter's explanation for why he does what he does is pretty much exactly the same as Cap's, which I agree with. But I'd also make the argument that Iron Man is motivated by the same thing, which is what Steve comes to realize in his letter at the end.
On a semi-related note: a lot of people have pointed out that Peter's explanation for why he does what he does is pretty much exactly the same as Cap's, which I agree with. But I'd also make the argument that Iron Man is motivated by the same thing, which is what Steve comes to realize in his letter at the end.
Affeinvasion
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It was an improvement over the already really impressive Michael Douglas one from ant man.
orthodoxy1095
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I don't think that's true. It's primarily targeted at the Avengers because they're the most high profile "issue," but they're not the only targets.
The document says "enhanced individuals," not Avengers. Why such a thick document if only about one team?
Probably not. The Netflix dudes are already breaking the law - the only reason that Daredevil's not in prison is because of his secret identity. It's just another charge on top of the pile of assault, intimidation, illegal tresspassing...
The Avengers are different because they're operating publicly - they have headquarters and funding and speak openly to the media. It was pretty much vigilantism that everyone was turning a blind eye to, by virtue of the fact they were doing more good than harm. Frankly, the fact they were going to be allowed to continue operating is a mercy - private citizens with heavy duty weaponry flying around the world fighting "bad guys" is SUPER illegal in SO many ways.
Other countries, especially China, Russia, GB etc. would never roll with that. It would be like every country has lost their nuclear warheads but USA would still have them.
UN/ world council controlled is the most believable.
Jest Chillin
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I don't think that's true. It's primarily targeted at the Avengers because they're the most high profile "issue," but they're not the only targets.
The document says "enhanced individuals," not Avengers. Why such a thick document if only about one team?
Because you could circumvent it by no longer being an Avenger otherwise.
OriginofHysteria
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Paul Rudd was fantastic in this movie, he definitely helps in making the character enjoyable. The look in rejection that he gave after Tony asked who he was was hilarious.
"Thinks for thanking of me!"
Shadowhaxor
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This and it opens the door for Marvel to capsulize everyone, even those who haven't been announced.
orthodoxy1095
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Normal Secretaries of State don't usually have responsibility for unmitigated disasters like Hulk and Abomination on their record either.
Which of course would make no sense.
"Oh shit guys I'm not an Avenger. I'm a "street-level vigilante" now!"
It's so obviously a superhuman act.
I don't think that's true. It's primarily targeted at the Avengers because they're the most high profile "issue," but they're not the only targets.
The document says "enhanced individuals," not Avengers. Why such a thick document if only about one team?
Fair enough.
They should have talked more about every superbeeing beeing regulated in the movie, still.
DrForester
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So...
Are they going to change Peter's origin story and make him part-kree or whatever the heck the Inhumans are?
Are they going to change Peter's origin story and make him part-kree or whatever the heck the Inhumans are?
Why should they?
Why would they do that?
call_kotaku
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I think it's been established through the movie continuity that Tony's heroism comes from wanting to be a good person while Steve's heroism comes from always trying to do the right thing. So it makes sense that accountability becomes a high priority for Tony but a low one for Cap.
They both acted really selfishly and it does makes me feel a little sorry for their friends who got dragged into those agendas, to be honest. I'm glad the movie balanced the two leads not by making them both right but by making them both wrong, especially by not making them team up to fight a common villain at the end.
I don't think that's true. It's primarily targeted at the Avengers because they're the most high profile "issue," but they're not the only targets.
The document says "enhanced individuals," not Avengers. Why such a thick document if only about one team?
There was a picture floating somewhere with signatures for every Avengers (excluding Thor and Hulk) and only Tony signed it so far.
https://twitter.com/WHIHOfficial/status/728298967302217728
Affeinvasion
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I mean there isn't dick that anyone else could do about it aside from the obvious superhuman arms race that is obviously happening behind the scenes anyway. Sovereign nations would want to regulate existing meta humans but That's mostly a mouth piece. They would actively make their own just like the US did with cap. Hell, corporations are already trying to do it in the mcu like with extremis and they would just have to be based in the Caribbean somewhere to get around the accords. There were a lot of countries that didn't sign.
If you support #TeamIronMan after reading that, I'm lost for words...
ALSO...
ROSS: Thor, sign this.
THOR: No.
ROSS: If you don't...
THOR: Really? You want Asgard to declare war on Earth?
Although it'll be worth it for Thor coming back to Earth and flat-out losing his fucking mind.
what? why would they do that?
There was a picture floating somewhere with signatures for every Avengers (excluding Thor and Hulk) and only Tony signed it so far.
https://twitter.com/WHIHOfficial/status/728298967302217728
Does Vision even have any "human" rights? He's an artificial man, entirely synthetic.
... He's also technically two years old and even if he was human would be considered a minor.
One of my favorite Hawkeye moments, "I'm gone for, like, five months and everything goes to shit."
PadWarrior
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He's talking about Peter Parker I think.
PadWarrior
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He was bit by a radioactive spider. I'm not sure why he asked that myself lol
Secret Fawful
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Okay, so Cap lied to Tony. That's been established. Then how about this argument for Cap. Fuck Tony's parents. I'm glad they're dead.
SuperEpicMan
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I just remembered that Cap never wears his chainmail style suit in the movie. Seemed like a load of promotional things had pictures of him with it on.
Yeah...I mean Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage each gets their powers from either accident, experiment or both.
You can still get powers the old comic book way in MCU.
So the airport scene got me thinking...what does the tier list for the Avengers look like (based on their perceived abilities from Civil War and other Marvel films, not the comics)?
1. Vision
2. Hulk
3. Scarlet Witch
4. Thor
4. Spider-Man
4. Iron Man
4. Captain America
4. Black Panther
9. Bucky (technically not an Avenger...yet?)
10. War Machine
10. Falcon
10. Ant-Man
13. Black Widow
13. Hawkeye
1. Vision
2. Hulk
3. Scarlet Witch
4. Thor
4. Spider-Man
4. Iron Man
4. Captain America
4. Black Panther
9. Bucky (technically not an Avenger...yet?)
10. War Machine
10. Falcon
10. Ant-Man
13. Black Widow
13. Hawkeye
Really didn't like the premise of the civil war. Falls apart heavily if someone would just brought up what happened to shield with the whole hydra thing. Or how there would be no way to ensure people on the UN board don't have vested interests.
To me, black panther pretty much stole the movie. Dude had the most amount of character development out of anyone, even though he wasn't even there for long. Comic book fans couldn't have asked for a better introduction. Was a bit scared that they would fuck up/nerf wakanda though. Glad they didn't and am now looking forward to the black panther movie even more. Fantastic movie overall though.
To me, black panther pretty much stole the movie. Dude had the most amount of character development out of anyone, even though he wasn't even there for long. Comic book fans couldn't have asked for a better introduction. Was a bit scared that they would fuck up/nerf wakanda though. Glad they didn't and am now looking forward to the black panther movie even more. Fantastic movie overall though.
PadWarrior
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I would put Thor and hulk on the same tier.Ant man could be moved up.
DrForester
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Ross: "OK everyone. We deem it necessary for you to find this guy we have a grainy video of and kill him on sight. Any evidence that might prove his innocence will be ignored, just kill him. And if you don't you're TOTALLY a criminal and will be locked up without any due processes. "
Tony: "Sounds great!"
Just based on MCU I'd still have Thor and Hulk at the top.
Yeah.
I am guessing Marvel will be the first studio to fully use CG actors for parts.
That way Steve Rogers will always be Chris Evans in his prime, and have him be the voice actor.
DrForester
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Yeah, it was really good. Only part that looked a bit iffy was the final bit while he's just standing there, staring.
Just saw the movie last night! It was fantastic!!! Loved how Ant-Man interacted with the rest of the cast! And not to sound like a broken record but Spider-Man and Black Panther were purrrfect! And that Spider Signal at the end too! It's too good!
And honestly, I used to be Team Cap back in the Civil War comics and leading up to the movie but after watching the movie, I have to say I'm leaning more towards
And honestly, I used to be Team Cap back in the Civil War comics and leading up to the movie but after watching the movie, I have to say I'm leaning more towards
Team Zemo
Ragnorok64
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Probably look more like
A Tier: Thor, Hulk, Vision
B Tier: Iron Man, War Machine, Scarlet Witch
C Tier: Captain American, Spider-man, Falcon, Giant Man, Black Panther
D Tier: Bucket, Black Widow, Hawkeye
PadWarrior
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Lol bucket can't even hold water he so weak
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