Icyflamez96
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"I better not look outside and see anyone flying around on that thing"
I thought pretty much all the humor was good tho
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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"I better not look outside and see anyone flying around on that thing"
WanderingWind
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Or, she was just younger than him. Like in real life.
Bucky does have some variant of the Super Soldier serum so I imagine he could have tanked it.
Subpar Spatula
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How can Hawkeye and Black Widow lose to Punisher? LOL
Hot Coldman
Banned
Nick Fury's an old man, he's definitely shit tier.
formasymphonic
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I love how "Bucket" is a thing now.
I would like to propose tiers of
Super Natural
Super Human/Assisted Ability
Peak-Human
Human/Assisted Ability
Yamaha
(feel free to sub-tier as appropriate)
I would like to propose tiers of
Super Natural
Super Human/Assisted Ability
Peak-Human
Human/Assisted Ability
Yamaha
(feel free to sub-tier as appropriate)
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It is weird how between Avengers and Age of Ultron, Fury suddenly starts acting like an old dude. Maybe he was still recovering from his Winter Soldier injuries though.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Dude got shot multiple times in the chest, I'd definitely be using the age excuse after that experience, haha.
Excluding the A tier, could anyone on that list even scratch black panther besides Ant man?
Cap took blows from Crossbones and his glove devices didn't look less hurtful than a punch from Iron Man.
Also from his "talents" alone Spidey is already top of B tier. Once he is more trained in using them, he's pretty up there with the big guys.
Cap showed Spidy how inexperienced he is in combat. Cap quickly analysed his webs and used them against him.
Spider-Man is stronger, has precognition and could web him. Problem solved.
Iron Man and War Machine could just drop some rockets on him.
Who's bucky? Did you misspell Bucket?
PadWarrior
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Cap could and a once spidey gets some more experience I think he make things interesting
Bucky and Cap can send regular dudes flying too though. They were tearing mercs up in that stairway.
PadWarrior
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Lol
Schweinehund
Member
I watched it and I consider myself more of a DC fan, I thought the Russo's nailed the right level of joke/seriousness.
Things I liked:
+Antman, surprise cool character of the movie. He was great. Didn't even care for his solo movie that much but he did some cool stuff and was entertaining.
+Spiderman was cool. I thought they delivered on him and I wasn't even hyped or anything for him. The Cap vs Spiderman fight was a highlight of the movie for me, pretty much all of his fights were fun to watch.
+Tony Stark's approach to the situation, up until the reveal (which was unfortunately spoiled for me like a year ago or something like that).
+Bucky & Falcon interactions.
+The Airport Scene
+The Final Fight
+Vision and Scarlet Witch stuff
Things I disliked:
-The reveal that Bucky killed Iron Man's parents. Him going ballistic over it seemed... forced? Maybe it's because his parent's hardly ever seem to be a central part of his life up until this movie, I think at best it was just him resenting his Father's expectations in one of the IM movies. Maybe if he was still convinced Bucky was doing things without brain washing, but at the point it looked like he was sold that Bucky was brain washed.
-Zemo was a nobody. Nothing compelling about him. We don't even know his origins until the end of the film and it's barely anything memorable.
-The reason for the Sokovia accords. I'd consider 74 casualties or whatever a miracle when aliens invade NYC. They should have doubled down on Ultron, but that would change the story entirely to shift blame on Tony. Even the other casualty accounts were ridiculously small.
-BP was just... there. Maybe GAF hyped him up too much but he wasn't really notable, it was almost absurd how many times he was cockblocked from killing Bucky. I found Wakanda interesting but it was just that after credit scenes.
-Vision doing nothing during the Airport fight. He was mostly just there to shoot down Rhodey. It would have been cool to see him try to stop both sides from fighting or minimize destruction.
-Early fights had way too much Shakey Cam + quick cuts.
Overall I think I'd put it in the upper end range of Marvel, on the same level of Avengers, not as good as TWS & Guardians.
User 73706
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I was hoping we'd get to see some Spider-Man versus BP action, but considering both of them were being propped up as unstoppable forces in their own rights it would probably be too nebulous to cover in this particular film.
I have to imagine BP's anti-metal claws could just as easily shred through webbing, though.
I have to imagine BP's anti-metal claws could just as easily shred through webbing, though.
Reizo Ryuu
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Actually thinking about it, this makes me sad because he's relegated to the tv shows now.
Imagine an Iron Fist movie by the Russos; holy shit.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I did like how the one instant of Spider-Sense I really noticed had Peter going "OH MY GOD!". Love how nervous he was.
I think spidey would lose in his current state due to inexperience and the fact that his claws could cut the web.
Not sure how effective the rockets would be since his entire suit is vibranium, plus he would tear apart their armor like paper.
Spidey will probably be the top non-god level character after a movie or two. Depends on how much they give BP from the comics though.
What did he mean by this?
Member
So is Steve now Nomad? Or will Tony toss him his shield at the start of Infinity War?
PadWarrior
Member
Yeah gonna be fun to watch him grow. He's gonna be the future face of the mcu I think.
Icyflamez96
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So what's the definitive order to watch the Marvel movies in for a new guy?
Subpar Spatula
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BP suit doesn't make him unstoppable. He's on par with Bucky and Cap for strength and durability so Spider-Man or just Ironman could wreck them. Tony's lasers are OP depending on the situation.
Aint even a contest even if you want it to be.
Aint even a contest even if you want it to be.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Y'all are trying to force a meme and it's so cringey.
If you plan to watch them all it's probably best to watch them in order of release.
jedihunter505
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Yes, Cap could take down BP. My issue with BP in this movie is he should not be able to run as fast as Cap nor should he have his skills in hand-to-hand combat or strength. He has a vibranium suit, making him tougher to take down, but Cap has him beat in strength and skill alone.
The problem is the writers wanted everyone to balance out in this movie and played it safe when it came to who fought who, making sure to give everyone a moment to showcase their skills. They basically put every character on a really similar power level in order to avoid humiliating any one character.
I agree. I would be really happy if the future MCU would be in the same tone like Civil War/Winter Soldier except for the solo movies like ant-man, spider-man and team movies like gotg that are more on the funny side. The previous movies were too fluffly and funny (which felt somewhat forced).
Subpar Spatula
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Vision could have wrecked the entire team by himself but he doesn't. He knows Wanda's tricks now and is no fool.
formasymphonic
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Zemo tier (special tier reserved for MCU villains whose plan actually worked)
- Zemo
Super Natural
- Hulk, Thor, Vision
- SW ("glass cannon")
Super Human/Assisted Ability
- IM/WM (suit capabilities),
- Cap, BP,
- Spidey (doesn't seem to have his spider sense on lock yet and lack of experience etc)
Peak-Human
- Bucket (they made Bucky job a bit too much in this IMO considering he was "equal" to Cap in WS)
- Crossbones (see above, but I'm willing to accept that his injuries from WS bring him down)
Human/Assisted Ability
- Ant-man
- Falcon (air advantage)
- Agent 13, Black Widow, Hawkeye,
Cameo tier
- Stan Lee
Will we ever see them again tier?
- Jane Foster
- Virginia Potts
- Zemo
Super Natural
- Hulk, Thor, Vision
- SW ("glass cannon")
Super Human/Assisted Ability
- IM/WM (suit capabilities),
- Cap, BP,
- Spidey (doesn't seem to have his spider sense on lock yet and lack of experience etc)
Peak-Human
- Bucket (they made Bucky job a bit too much in this IMO considering he was "equal" to Cap in WS)
- Crossbones (see above, but I'm willing to accept that his injuries from WS bring him down)
Human/Assisted Ability
- Ant-man
- Falcon (air advantage)
- Agent 13, Black Widow, Hawkeye,
Cameo tier
- Stan Lee
Will we ever see them again tier?
- Jane Foster
- Virginia Potts
Linkstrikesback
Member
Seriously surprised people only realised his name now. He even told us so in the winter solider.
FullMetaltech
Member
Kinda. When Tony threw the thevwebcasing at him. Not sure where else.
jedihunter505
Member
I understand that, I'm saying everyone apart from the obvious such as Vision and SW. Even Hawkeye goes toe-to-toe with BP for a bit and we know BP would have wrecked him in an instant. Panther is cool, but he is not on the same strength or skill scale as Cap.
The Cretan
Member
A Spider-Man/ Black Panther fight combination against an enemy would be the shit. I want to see that in a movie someday.
Linkstrikesback
Member
In the airport scene, spidey vs falcon and Bucket, he sees something thrown from behind coming, says "oh god", or something similar, then tosses it back. I think that's the only time it was really there.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
His plan didn't work because he willed it, though, it would have happened regardless due to the Sokovia Accords. You could remove Zemo from the movie and the Avengers would be split because power invites challenge--which they will disagree on how to approach.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
"oh god" reaction when bucky throws some blue thing at him.
"hey guys I think there's something on this shie--" when ant-man regrows and returns the shield to cap.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yep, they nerfed the hell out of him. The only time he was a shadow of his WS self was after Zemo's triggering.
In the airport fight when he's chasing Bucky and Sam, Bucky throws a piece of metal at him, he says "oh god" a good few seconds beforehand and looks behind to see it coming, this is followed by the "Hey mister, i think you dropped something" line when he tosses it back at Bucky (bucket) hiding behind a pillar.
Schweinehund
Member
Also I forgot to mention this but I'm glad they touched upon Tony's anxiety again, I was complaining about it before the movie came out, how he still kept building robots after the end of IM3. It looks like they picked up on that by having Pepper separate from him and gave him even more reasons to support the accords.
That and he says he needs the welding goggles because his senses are overwhelming him
I wish Netflix and MCU were in the same universe really so DD could teach him things about blocking stuff out
formasymphonic
Member
The Whedon effect.
PadWarrior
Member
Lol!!!!!!Seriously surprised people only realised his name now. He even told us so in the winter solider.
Eh, we're not 100% sure on BP's strength or skill right now. It'll come down to how they frame his backstory(since you pretty much have to be the best warrior in the land to get bp mantle) and if they use wakanda's version of the super soldier serum. I'd assume he's taken the serum/drug since he kept up with cap and bucket pretty easily
Sorta, he didn't come out and say he had spider sense but pretty much described it. There things in the movie he shouldn't of even got hit by, but I'll chalk that up to lack of experience
PadWarrior
Member
Panther has trained since a child in combat that's the very nature of his culture. And he is either powered by their gods or heart shaped herb. Not to mention he is highly intelligent.
He is easily caps equal and Buckys superior.
He is easily caps equal and Buckys superior.
Black Panther is supposed to be a enhanced human as well. I would say that he's a super soldier but in this movie he seems more like a super ninja lol.
I think Panther ended up having the upper hand because unlike Bucky he actually seems to have martial training. Bucky seems to use only his upper torse and the raw force of his arm.
Dude is literally just a super soldier lol.
formasymphonic
Member
Without Zemo
- no Bucky framing
- no UN bombing
- no confrontation at the airport because Cap wants to find the fake psychiatrist and prove Bucky didn't bomb the UN
- no trip to Siberian bunker to expose the truth behind the Stark's deaths
- no Cap/IM final fight.
The accords did indeed divide opinion. But alone, they wouldn't have done those things or caused the situation to escalate in the way that it did.
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