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[Jest Chillin]

Yes I did, he pulled down a chopper, can run faster than Usain bolt, can jump drop five stories high etc but it doesn't still come close. If I'm looking through the Cap 1-2 ironman 1-3, avengers 1-2. It's just unbelievable in any scenario aside this one, might as well say widow can beat Thor then do all the mental gymnastics to make such scenario possible

He shrugs off a full power strike from Mjolnir that would've vaporized Iron Man with the shield in Avengers and takes out a Quinn Jet single handedly and survives a missile strike directly on top of him in TWS.

But you think his power difference with Tony is equal to the difference between Thor and Widow? What?

 

[boiled goose]

I disagree that it can be reduced as Cap or Rhodey being a dick.
I understood both of them.

Rhodey is a soldier from the modern world. You follow orders and authority. You do good within a framework of accountability.

Cap is a solider from a different era. An era with more clear good and evil but also an era of whole countries against each other. An era where citizens were bombed and it was a sacrifice for the greater good. What matters here is the compass of what is "good". After winter solider he doesn't trust the compass of authority.

To me the real opposites are not Cap vs Tony, but Cap vs Rhodey.

Tony is a citizen ultimately. He is not a soldier. He is not used to sacrifice. He wants to save everyone. Unlike both Rhodey and Cap he is too smart for his own good. He can't simply rationalize sacrifices away. He has to find the ultimate "solution".

He shrugs off a full power strike from Mjolnir that would've vaporized Iron Man with the shield in Avengers and takes out a Quinn Jet single handedly and survives a missile strike directly on top of him in TWS.

But you think his power difference with Tony is equal to the difference between Thor and Widow? What?

Again, they also went OUT OF THEIR WAY to show that Tony himself AND the suit were completely fucked up. They didn't have to but they did. Also at the beginning of the final fight they clearly showed that Tony was holding back. He tied captain up, didnt't shoot to kill. If Tony had a fresh suit and WANTED to kill Cap in an open field it would likely be an instant kill. He just flies above and shoots him down.

Where do I personally fall? Somewhere in between. Tony should have lobbied more for terms favorable to Cap. No missions they don't agree on, some mechanisms to act quicker, etc.

 

[guek]

This. The government takes the lethal option far too readily, although it doesn't help that we as the audience are privy to the fact that something isn't right. They see a blurry, easily misleading picture of Bucky and immediately go off guns blazing.

To be fair, the government couldn't bring in Bucky dead or alive even if they wanted to. Not without help from an Avenger at the very least.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

To be fair, the government couldn't bring in Bucky dead or alive even if they wanted to. Not without help from an Avenger at the very least.

At the time they had Iron Man, Vision and Black Widow on their side. They still wanted to kill WS on site.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

To be fair, the government couldn't bring in Bucky dead or alive even if they wanted to. Not without help from an Avenger at the very least.

They could have sent one then.

And yet they didn't. They just wanted to murder him.

Edit: beaten. Yes^^^ they had all of those.

 

[Manmademan]

The one thing that reallllly bugs me is that Winter Soldier wears a mask and goggles while carying out orders in CA:TWS to remain anonymous. Yet when he kills Starks parents in 1991 he has no mask and goggles... Howard even calls him Barnes in confusion. WS then proceeds to walk in front of a camera without a mask.

It threw me off when I watched CW Friday, and it throws me off even more while watching TWS now.

Not really that big of a plothole. High quality Video surveillance is EVERYWHERE in 2013 or so. It was fairly rare in 1991...and in fact it's very strange that a camera with that fidelity was there at all, especially at night.

Think of how bad your typical convenience store surveillance is right now and 1991 era equipment was infinitely worse.

There's no reason for the Russians to assume he would be filmed, and anyone that saw him would just be murdered.

 

[boiled goose]

At the time they had Iron Man, Vision and Black Widow on their side. They still wanted to kill WS on site.

The government yes, not the avengers. It was clear they were holding back.

Not really that big of a plothole. High quality Video surveillance is EVERYWHERE in 2013 or so. It was fairly rare in 1991...and in fact it's very strange that a camera with that fidelity was there at all, especially at night.

Think of how bad your typical convenience store surveillance is right now and 1991 era equipment was infinitely worse.

There's no reason for the Russians to assume he would be filmed, and anyone that saw him would just be murdered.

I don't understand how this is a plothole supposedly . Can someone elaborate?

 

[Tosyn_88]

He also threw a motorcycle like it was a softball in Ultron, fistfought Loki in A1, charged through solid walls like they were tissue paper in WS, took out a plane singlehandedly in WS, got shot about 5 times in winter soldier back to back and walked it off, AND basically came out of being wailed on by Bucky's cyborg arm in the face like it was no big deal.

Taking hits from a severely damaged tony Stark is no stretch here, especially since MCU tony has never been shown to be remotely as physically strong as 616 iron man.

This isn't a captain isn't strong debate, he is absolutely strong, I'd even liken his strength in the films to the ultimate cap but still, do you want to count everything the iron man suits have done since the first ironman movie? If Tony wanted to kill captain America, he will kill him!! Before pursuing Bucky. Obviously captain can beat ironman but the scenario would have to be perfect for that to happen, like the one in the movie. If they went toe to toe like the comics, both focusing on each other without distractions, captain will get his shield yanked off his hands as the first thing.... I mean, the suit has lots of toys and Cap has a shield and some grenades

 

[Kurdel]

I also noticed in the credits Heidi Moneymaker, Scaerlett Johanson's stunt double, was one of the Super Soldiers.

I wonder if the others were also stunt people for the cast? It's always cool to see them have a bit of the spotlight, even if it's 5 seconds.

 

[boiled goose]

This isn't a captain isn't strong debate, he is absolutely strong, I'd even liken his strength in the films to the ultimate cap but still, do you want to count everything the iron man suits have done since the first ironman movie? If Tony wanted to kill captain America, he will kill him!! Before pursuing Bucky. Obviously captain can beat ironman but the scenario would have to be perfect for that to happen, like the one in the movie. If they went toe to toe like the comics, both focusing on each other without distractions, captain will get his shield yanked off his hands as the first thing.... I mean, the suit has lots of toys and Cap has a shield and some grenades

yeah, I really don't get this complaint. They made it incredibly obvious in this movie that Iron man was seriously handicapped.

I can't believe how well they "got" Spiderman. Man such a good movie.

I also really like how these movies point out the silliness out to you.
Spiderman making fun of how Cap's shield defies physics reminded me of Avengers 2 when Hawkeye points out that having a bow and arrow makes not sense. Claps.

Another random comment. I can't believe how terrible Caps suit was in Avengers 1. Man what were they thinking? Suit since Winter Soldier has been badass.

 

[Tosyn_88]

He shrugs off a full power strike from Mjolnir that would've vaporized Iron Man with the shield in Avengers and takes out a Quinn Jet single handedly and survives a missile strike directly on top of him in TWS.

But you think his power difference with Tony is equal to the difference between Thor and Widow? What?

Of course that's a far comparison, what I was trying to say is the power levels don't match no and one has to really want to bend the powers to make them match.

Cap is very strong, I'm not saying he isn't, sorry if that came as if but all things considered, he's still not in ironman power category, you have to really want to believe that to find explanations for why it has to be.

I have seen everything cap can withstand, but can you also mention everything the ironman suit has done and withstand since the first film?

 

[Manmademan]

This isn't a captain isn't strong debate, he is absolutely strong, I'd even liken his strength in the films to the ultimate cap but still, do you want to count everything the iron man suits have done since the first ironman movie? If Tony wanted to kill captain America, he will kill him!! Before pursuing Bucky. Obviously captain can beat ironman but the scenario would have to be perfect for that to happen, like the one in the movie. If they went toe to toe like the comics, both focusing on each other without distractions, captain will get his shield yanked off his hands as the first thing.... I mean, the suit has lots of toys and Cap has a shield and some grenades

No, it's a "captain America is not peak human" debate which is absolutely true.

Captain America is superhuman. We do not know the extent of it, but his durability and power are far far in excess of what humans are capable of.

Direct hits to the face from Bucky's cyborg arm are not enough to KO cap, and that was a cap that had been shot about 5 times immediately prior.

A severely damaged iron man isn't going to be doing much more physical damage than that, and MCU iron man has very few purely physical feats to start with.

 

[Epcott]

The government yes, not the avengers. It was clear they were holding back.



I don't understand how this is a plothole supposedly . Can someone elaborate?

Not really a plothole... Simply that Winter Soldier wears a mask and goggles while carying out missions. At least TWS presents it that way. It's not until Cap forces his mask off while in fight that we see him not wearing it. So why would he not wear it during his mission in 1991 to kill the Starks?

This is further driven by the fact that his identity is hush hush, even Widow had no idea who he really was when she gives Rogers an account of a mission WC shot through her to kill someone (in TWC). She's in intelligence... Had he not worn a mask then, she would have discovered it was Barnes.

Again, it's not a plothole, and I know they did it to give the scene more impact when Tony watches it unfold on VHS, the break in continuity just irks me a bit.

 

[boiled goose]

Of course that's a far comparison, what I was trying to say is the power levels don't match no and one has to really want to bend the powers to make them match.

Cap is very strong, I'm not saying he isn't, sorry if that came as if but all things considered, he's still not in ironman power category, you have to really want to believe that to find explanations for why it has to be.

I have seen everything cap can withstand, but can you also mention everything the ironman suit has done and withstand since the first film?

In the MCU they have never shown Iron Man being that "strong". His power comes from his speed/mobility and gadgets.

 

[boiled goose]

Not really a plothole... Simply that Winter Soldier wears a mask and goggles while carying out missions. At least TWS presents it that way. It's not until Cap forces his mask off while in fight that we see him not wearing it. So why would he not wear it during his mission in 1991 to kill the Starks?

This is further driven by the fact that his identity is hush hush, even Widow had no idea who he really was when she gives Rogers an account of a mission WC shot through her to kill someone (in TWC).

Again, it's not a plothole, and I know they did it to give the scene more impact when Tony watches it unfold on VHS, the break in continuity just irks me a bit.

Oh should he have worn a mask in that mission? Sure... Not that big a deal IMO.

That said, why would anyone in the modern day know who the fuck "Bucky" was? Even if they had seen the museum or talked to Cap about it, I don't think anyone would recognize a random dead soldier from 70 years ago.

 

[Emerson's Essentia]

The absolutely embarrassing "X character will totally beat Y character in a fight" debates were one of the primary things that kept me away from comic book nerds, and by extension, comic books themselves, growing up.

I only partially regret that today.

 

[layzie1989]

After thinking about the accords and Cap's reasons for not signing the most important for me is the "people have agendas" line. After the revelation that SHIELD was Hydra in disguise for decades, how could you trust anybody but yourself? But, like Ross said, compromise is how the world works, and like Natasha said, staying together is more important than how they stay together. In the end if you're together you stand a better chance to fight back against the corruption.

I didn't buy the relationship between Carter and Cap in this movie. Don't know what it was, but the chemistry wasn't there for me, which is probably why I didn't find her eulogy to Cap very convincing.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Of course that's a far comparison, what I was trying to say is the power levels don't match no and one has to really want to bend the powers to make them match.

Cap is very strong, I'm not saying he isn't, sorry if that came as if but all things considered, he's still not in ironman power category, you have to really want to believe that to find explanations for why it has to be.

I have seen everything cap can withstand, but can you also mention everything the ironman suit has done and withstand since the first film?

Honestly, Iron Man's suits constantly get absolutely wrecked. They've gone through great pains to showcase that it's got plenty of weaknesses and that Tony overcomes those primarily by having clever uses and a myriad of ways of replacing parts or changing suits outright.

He's just nowhere near his comic counterpart in power or durability, while Cap is a tiny bit closer. Saying that Tony wouldn't win in a landslide is not downplaying him at all since Cap rarely loses and when he does, it's usually while he's also pulling punches (as both he and Tony do here and he did against Bucky in TWS).

 

[The Auxiliary]

Been playing Overwatch like a motherfucker, but all I can think about is this damn movie. I want to see it again! The fight scenes were amazing, and I love anything that has to do with Bucky, so this movie was fucking ace to me.

 

[Tosyn_88]

In the MCU they have never shown Iron Man being that "strong". His power comes from his speed/mobility and gadgets.

Are you sure, because I remember him being shot by a tank shell in ironman one, elecricuted by Thor, attacked by Hulk among many other list of ridiculous things thst captain wouldn't stand. All thst said, those aren't real measurement, I'm actually looking at both characters on a power level basis, captain America isn't in ironmans power bracket

 

[Tosyn_88]

Honestly, Iron Man's suits constantly get absolutely wrecked. They've gone through great pains to showcase that it's got plenty of weaknesses and that Tony overcomes those primarily by having clever uses and a myriad of ways of replacing parts or changing suits outright.

He's just nowhere near his comic counterpart in power or durability, while Cap is a tiny bit closer. Saying that Tony wouldn't win in a landslide is not downplaying him at all since Cap rarely loses and when he does, it's usually while he's also pulling punches (as both he and Tony do here and he did against Bucky in TWS).

Yes, the suits aren't invincible but they are usually wrecked by forces way above what I have seen of cap so far. He may be durable but even he can't survive a laser, unibeam or several barrage of rockets, it's just too much

 

[call_kotaku]

See look at this solid motive from Cap.

#TeamCap

#DownWithTony'sEgo

Cap's completely selfish throughout the movie and even though his intentions are good he doesn't really consider the consequences of his actions on other people. It's all necessary for the plot, but the movie never pretends that Cap did the right thing.

He didn't consider indulging Tony's guilt or compromising for the greater good, and when his friends and a complete stranger have enough affection for him to help him at great personal risk to themselves, he didn't care enough about them to refuse.

It's not Tony's ego that divides the Avengers, it's Cap's.

 

[Rentahamster]

Zemo is one of the best MCU villains easily.

Yeah, I'd have to agree. When I saw a lot of the initial reviews stating stuff like "Once again, the movie overall was great, but as usual, MARVEL villains are weak!", I thought to myself, huh?

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Cap's completely selfish throughout the movie and even though his intentions are good he doesn't really consider the consequences of his actions on other people. It's all necessary for the plot, but the movie never pretends that Cap did the right thing.

He didn't consider indulging Tony's guilt or compromising for the greater good, and when his friends and a complete stranger have enough affection for him to help him at great personal risk to themselves, he didn't care enough about them to refuse.

It's not Tony's ego that divides the Avengers, it's Cap's.

Uh, his ideals weren't due to his ego, he didn't say anything wrong that a goody two shoes character wouldn't say.

- The UN line about agendas was spot the fuck on, if they regulated them they wouldn't be able to do shit

- They put the Avengers in maximum security jail knowing full well it's not like they'd do any harm to the people around them, they put them there because they wouldn't fall in line with a forced government mandate and refused to listen to the truth about the winter soldier from people who have saved the earth time and time again.

- The government weren't planning on taking Bucky alive and had he left them to fight them by himself they would have all died instead of just getting knocked out.

His biggest flaw is his affection for Bucky, but all it made was for him to want to trust him faster than anyone else did, and he ended up trusting his gut and was right at the end.

 

[drhankmccoyphd]

Is anyone else jonesing for Spider-Man Millenial Edition? The idea of Peter Parker as a YouTube celebrity with an aunt so hot that it needs to be addressed is just too good. Seems like the perfect vehicle for marvel to get in on that hunger games/twilight/divergent money.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Yes, the suits aren't invincible but they are usually wrecked by forces way above what I have seen of cap so far. He may be durable but even he can't survive a laser, unibeam or several barrage of rockets, it's just too much

It's harder to guage that because a good deal of the stuff that Iron Man gets hit with, Cap wouldn't because he's a superior tactician.

Cap's completely selfish throughout the movie and even though his intentions are good he doesn't really consider the consequences of his actions on other people. It's all necessary for the plot, but the movie never pretends that Cap did the right thing.

He didn't consider indulging Tony's guilt or compromising for the greater good, and when his friends and a complete stranger have enough affection for him to help him at great personal risk to themselves, he didn't care enough about them to refuse.

It's not Tony's ego that divides the Avengers, it's Cap's.

Cap was going to compromise and sign... Until he learned that Tony put Wanda on house arrest for no reason other than fear.

 

[Tosyn_88]

It's harder to guage that because a good deal of the stuff that Iron Man gets hit with, Cap wouldn't because he's a superior tactician.



Cap was going to compromise and sign... Until he learned that Tony put Wanda on house arrest for no reason other than fear.

Well isn't that what we are saying here, that cap isn't in the same power bracket. Even as a superior tactician, your tactics can only get you far if your opponent is focused on you.

 

[User 73706]

Okay, yeah, I see where this is going. Sorry, but I'd rather not continue this converstation.

Of course you don't. lmao

 

[Apt101]

Rogers may have had some blinders on when it came to Bucky, but this is a guy who lived a life back in the 30's, "died" and came back, and now Bucky is his only connection to what he considers his life. He might be all super soldier juiced up and idealistic and all of that, but he's still human. And losing control of one's emotions, or losing your better judgement because of them, was a theme through the entire thing. T'Challa, Vision, Cap, Stark at the end, Zemo, it was a facet of all of their stories.

 

[HeySeuss]

Does the fact that Howard recognized Bucky so quickly after 50 years mean that he had a hand in helping to create the Winter Soldier? I'd he was involved in the 5 supersoldiers, it would stand to reason that he at least had prior knowledge in what Bucky was doing.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Well isn't that what we are saying here, that cap isn't in the same power bracket. Even as a superior tactician, your tactics can only get you far if your opponent is focused on you.

You can't divorce them from their full toolset. It's the difference between Cap avoiding gunfire and Tony tanking it but taking managable damage.

 

[Celcius]

I don't remember cap cursing?

Maybe I'm thinking of Winter Soldier

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

Does the fact that Howard recognized Bucky so quickly after 50 years mean that he had a hand in helping to create the Winter Soldier? I'd he was involved in the 5 supersoldiers, it would stand to reason that he at least had prior knowledge in what Bucky was doing.

Hm, Cap and Howard were good friends. I'd imagine after Bucky died, he was definitely there at the funeral, and Cap must have been obsessed with searching for him for a time.

Bucky didn't change at all in appearance, so that helps.

 

[Celcius]

I'm growing impatient waiting for this movie to hit 4K bluray.

Fixed that for ya

 

[HeySeuss]

Hm, Cap and Howard were good friends. I'd imagine after Bucky died, he was definitely there at the funeral, and Cap must have been obsessed with searching for him for a time.

Bucky didn't change at all in appearance, so that helps.

True, but that was 50 years prior. To immediately recognize him after just being in a car accident with head trauma would be a bit of a stretch IMO. Not exactly something you would expect to see.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Cap's completely selfish throughout the movie and even though his intentions are good he doesn't really consider the consequences of his actions on other people. It's all necessary for the plot, but the movie never pretends that Cap did the right thing.

He didn't consider indulging Tony's guilt or compromising for the greater good, and when his friends and a complete stranger have enough affection for him to help him at great personal risk to themselves, he didn't care enough about them to refuse.

It's not Tony's ego that divides the Avengers, it's Cap's.

No way. Cap was willing to work with tony until he realized that he was holding Wanda prisoner. On top of that, they immediately wanted Bucky dead. He did what he does, try to take the best path possible. That was the beauty of the film, cap never had a clear choice that was perfect, he did his best with the information he had. To say his ego divides the avengers is bogus. Tony did his best to push them all away, he imprisoned Wanda, went straight to the government rather than discuss it with the team, and stood idly by while they were imprisoned. Then after being outright told this was all a setup, he let his anger take over the situation.

 

[PadWarrior]

Fixed that for ya

Lol thanks

 

[Valentus]

anybody feels like all the dressed vision scenes feels like a sitcom?.... with superheroes?... in the MCU?... id watch it in netflix.

 

[Fandangox]

anybody feels like all the dressed vision scenes feels like a sitcom?.... with superheroes?... in the MCU?... id watch it in netflix.

I want Sweatervest Vision to be the character's super hero outfit.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Black Panther and Black Widow's chemistry really suprised me. That flirting lol.

Is she trying to move on from Banner lmao.

This is Black Widow not Sue Storm

 

[call_kotaku]

Uh, his ideals weren't due to his ego, he didn't say anything wrong that a goody two shoes character wouldn't say.

- The UN line about agendas was spot the fuck on, if they regulated them they wouldn't be able to do shit

- They put the Avengers in maximum security jail knowing full well it's not like they'd do any harm to the people around them, they put them there because they wouldn't fall in line with a forced government mandate and refused to listen to the truth about the winter soldier from people who have saved the earth time and time again.

- The government weren't planning on taking Bucky alive and had he left them to fight them by himself they would have all died instead of just getting knocked out.

His biggest flaw is his affection for Bucky, but all it made was for him to want to trust him faster than anyone else did, and he ended up trusting his gut and was right at the end.

His goals and motivations weren't wrong, but how he acted was callous and irresponsible. Essentially everything was his fault, the movie deliberately makes that the pivot point of the final act (Tony asks Cap if he knew before he snaps, the betrayal hurt him as much as finding out how his parents died). All his friends end up in Marvel Guantanamo because he asked them for help, and he didn't mind escalating the situation knowing that the rest of the Avengers would be the ones to take him in.

Granted, compromising isn't his character and he's written to be a bit too naive and inexperienced to really emphasize with others, and the movie is build around those character flaws.

It's harder to guage that because a good deal of the stuff that Iron Man gets hit with, Cap wouldn't because he's a superior tactician.



Cap was going to compromise and sign... Until he learned that Tony put Wanda on house arrest for no reason other than fear.

But he undercut's Tony's position and gets everyone into even bigger trouble because he didn't care about how much Tony and Natasha were bending over backwards to try and accommodate him. I feel like he paid lip service to compromise but bailed the second he realized he actually needed to compromise.

 

[Rentahamster]

Sure which I get, but his entire personality was exactly what Zemo was able to use effectively to turn the Avengers against one another.

Well, it fueled part of it, but Cap and Tony made up by the third act...until Zemo was able to use Tony's character flaws to turn Tony against Bucky and Cap. If it wasn't for Tony (understandably) losing it at the end, they would have been more or less still intact.

I think in the end both sides were shown to have significant flaws at the very least

Yeah, that part is true.

 

[woolley]

After thinking about the movie after a day the only part that bothers me is the random camera on a wooded road that gives a perfect shot of Bucky killing Tony's parents. I feel like that could of been handled much better.

And I'm kinda upset that I missed the second bonus scene, hope it pops up online sometime soon. I really can't wait for the Spider-man movie, gonna be so good.

 

[Apt101]

I also realized I sympathize with Thunderbolt Ross while watching this. When he mentioned Bruce Banner to Cap. Here's this guy, military career, high-ranking general and politician, and that all informed his view of what it takes to maintain order and what peace should be. Then this gigantic rampaging radioactive monster comes along destroying everything in its path - Godzilla basically. I suddenly found it funny that people think they could then tell a man like that "but no, it's a good monster" and just expect him to stop trying to take it down. I was like "of course he would mention Hulk - he can't let it go".

 

[dmr87]

Just came home from the theater, loved it, as I expected. Cap 2 and 3 are definitely in the top of the Marvel movies for me. He's just perfect in front of the camera, action scenes and his fighting style is so so satisfying. Spidey was ok, way better than Garfield.

Just so much fun.

 

[Tosyn_88]

You can't divorce them from their full toolset. It's the difference between Cap avoiding gunfire and Tony tanking it but taking managable damage.

That's why I initially said they aren't in the same power bracket. You have to be wanting to do mental gymnastics to make it possible, just as this movie did, hell even the hand to hand which is Steve major, he gets downloaded and taken down quick. It's not a far bracket apart but it isn't the same level either

 

[Rooster12]

anybody feels like all the dressed vision scenes feels like a sitcom?.... with superheroes?... in the MCU?... id watch it in netflix.

That would be awesome.

But no...never felt that way at all.

The theater I watched at....only 1 person was laughing throughout....most of them didn't laugh at the "funny" scenes.

 

[Rentahamster]

People need to stop using this argument. Hydra had influence over shield do to a unique opportunity after WW2. Even after decades of infiltration they only managed to assume partial control.

They had a lot more than partial control. Robort Redford was in charge, and they would have had control of all 3 uber-carriers.

To assume that 117 countries are controlled by Hydra is silly, and if Hydra is that powerful they would have already won. The movie made it clear the issue was about sovereignty and b accountability when it mentioned the Avengers were US based.

The counter point isn't "but HYDRA might have infiltrated the other 117 countries too". The counter point is that the world doesn't think the Avengers can be trusted with their own discretion, but the world is wrong because countless times it is demonstrated that faceless bureaucratic organizations don't have the responsibility necessary to wield that power.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Man this movie is weirding me out. I thought it was a very good movie, yet my primary feeling walking out of the theatre was disappointment.

Think when I get home from work, I'll try writing up my thoughts. Got quite a lot to say about this one

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

So outside of the MCU editors directing it, why in the world was spidey in this film. He's a minor, only 6 months experience, and with a very tight window Tony just goes out of his way to bring him in...for what? It's not like his crew is underpowered. And the "UN world leaders" side is cool with this? This is how Tony shows accountability? And there's no blowback?

And it's funny the man who creates Ultron the time the avengers were truly reckless is the one that ends up running the avengers (sponsored by the world govs)