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[EekTheKat]

I think I was the only person in my theater that got the "I can do this all day" callback, it was a great book-end to Cap with his introduction in the first Avenger. A very cool nod to the first movie.

Especially since Cap seemingly gives up the shield at the end, though Rogers seemingly remains active at the end.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yeah everything in this movie is Cap's fault

Everything ever!

Cap's fault that Aunt May is so attractive?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

His last seventy years are basically montages of murder and people chanting gibberish at him in Russian, spliced together with completely nonsensical editing that leaves huge gaps in causality. He probably feels right at home watching Batman v Superman.

lmao

 

[BronsonLee]

I'm glad we agreed then. Good night, sir!

*brofist*

Cap's fault that Aunt May is so attractive?

Aunt May...ROGERS

 

[ryutaro's mama]

*brofist*

Aunt May...ROGERS

Kevin Feige is a genius.

 

[PsychBat!]

You're asking me how grainy footage could be faked in 2016 in a Universe where technology is far more advanced than real life?

And Tony didn't know. That doesn't conflict with Tony's response coming off as if he did. Just like the first debate over the Sokovia Accords, Tony had already decided what he thought was true. Whether it was or not didn't matter. He was already seething. That wasn't going to go away just because Steve didn't know.

So you don't believe that footage wasn't doctored in some way?

 

[Calamari41]

Yeah everything in this movie is Cap's fault

Everything ever!

Good thing he realized that and got the fuck out of Dodge.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Throwing a sustained murderous tantrum in the face of all logic is only normal for selfish children with poor impulse control. I'm not saying that it was an out of character thing for him to do, just that he sucks for doing it. I could understand him attacking Bucky after seeing him murder his parents, but at no point does he come to his senses. He relentlessly tries to kill someone he knows was brainwashed, and he's still acting like a baby after Steve beats him.

It's one thing to know it happened, it's another thing to watch it unfold with that level of brutality. And then find out that Steve knew, and willingly withheld it to protect him? In the same week where this fugitive (who was responsible for murdering dozens of Shield Agents in DC) beat up half the team during his jailbreak, assaulted a German SWAT team, was responsible for the fight that got his best friend crippled, and broke up the Avengers? And Tony had just gone to bat for him (against Ross) after learning he'd been set up?

It'd be like putting down a rabid dog. He's a living weapon who hurts people wherever he goes, whether he wants to or not. It's not childish for Tony to want to finally put an end to Barnes when he learns two of his victims personally.

And "What about brainwashed Hulk?" is funny, because a) Tony in the comics shot the Hulk into space for being a repeatedly destructive force and b) the Hulk in the MCU is an actual murderer, even when he's not being mind controlled. And Bruce still blames himself for who he hurts when he's out of control, because all the mental gymnastics in the world don't change what he is, what he does, and what he knows he'll do in the future.

 

[BBboy20]

He probably feels right at home watching Batman v Superman.

 

[diaspora]

lol Bucky puts himself on ice specifically because he's still got a homicidal lunatic inside him. I'd imagine that's why Bruce left too.

 

[Mugiwara]

but i'm not on either team. when iron man was approached by that lady with the deceased son, instead of letting the guilt consume him, he could've asked himself, "well...what would've happened if we weren't there? would the kid still even be alive? wouldn't it have been an even greater catastrophe?" but he doesn't really do that.

and cap, when presented with the casualties, doesn't really look he feels like he feels any remorse. he even says "the sokovia accords just shift the blame" but he doesn't seem like he feels guilty, or sad, at all about those lost, even if it weren't for him and his teammates, the number of those lost would've been much greater.

I think this is one of the interesting differences between Steve and Tony. Steve, being a soldier from the war, understands that there are costs to doing the right thing. That had they not acted, NYC and Sokovia would've been off much worse. He's able to (you could argue coldly) rationalize that you can't save everybody, you just do what you can. In tough times, people will suffer. Tony can't compartmentalize it. He shoulders the burden of what happened in Sokovia and the death of that woman's son. He keeps trying to figure out ways to avoid having these things happen (creating Ultron), to be preventive, but it always ends up blowing up in his face because he can't deal with the guilt issues.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

I like to think that Hank Pym helped Bucky and Steve breakout the Raft.

I hope we get to see a bit of shieldless Steve fighting before Tony gives it back to him

 

[Fantomex]

I love the set up for Infinity Gauntlet. The world is gonna beg the avengers to form up again and help, not only the world but the universe!

 

[Imperfected]

I like to think that Hank Pym helped Bucky and Steve breakout the Raft.

I hope we get to see a bit of shieldless Steve fighting before Tony gives it back to him

Hmm, I wasn't paying close enough attention during the Raft scene, is there a full accounting of everyone who was shown in cells?

I don't recall if Black Widow was in the brig, for example. I wouldn't mind having her doing the breakout be the opening to her solo movie, if they did one.

 

[Jest Chillin]

So you don't believe that footage wasn't doctored in some way?

This is an odd question to pose, both in composition and in inference.

I'm not saying I believe it's doctored. As viewers we know it isn't. But for Tony to not consider that it might be, in that Universe, when presented by a guy who has already doctored and manipulated evidence to suit his plans... is weird.

Obviously it serves the plot that he not consider that. As a character that recedes to pure logic when his world his shaken at it's core, I feel it's out of the norm. That's where others assert that his emotional wear throughout the movie causes him to be out of sorts. And I've already stated why I don't see it that way.

 

[The Last Emperor]

There seems to be the implication that the longer he's "off ice" the more of his memory returns. (His HYDRA handlers establish this in Winter Soldier.) At this point he's probably been defrosted long enough to remember most of his missions, though it's still going to be disorienting as hell, considering how patchy his memory must be between the freezing cycles and partial memory wipes.

His last seventy years are basically montages of murder and people chanting gibberish at him in Russian, spliced together with completely nonsensical editing that leaves huge gaps in causality. He probably feels right at home watching Batman v Superman.

Rofl

 

[The Artisan]

I disagree with this on account of his WWII record. The man probably saw so much death at that time that while it does affect him he's better at setting it aside. Remember Coulson when Tony was still in shock?

"First time you've lost a soldier"?

He also puts the blame of the deaths in Lagos on his shoulders for freezing up when Rumlow mentioned Bucky and he froze and notice the detonator as he would have had that not happened.

Well he is right. He needed to be there, but he didn't acknlowedge the costs enough, in my opinion.

I think this is one of the interesting differences between Steve and Tony. Steve, being a soldier from the war, understands that there are costs to doing the right thing. That had they not acted, NYC and Sokovia would've been off much worse. He's able to (you could argue coldly) rationalize that you can't save everybody, you just do what you can. In tough times, people will suffer. Tony can't compartmentalize it. He shoulders the burden of what happened in Sokovia and the death of that woman's son. He keeps trying to figure out ways to avoid having these things happen (creating Ultron), to be preventive, but it always ends up blowing up in his face because he can't deal with the guilt issues.

What I'm trying to say is, if iron man was never there. Things would've been worse. So (I'm talking to you Tony) what would you rather have? You being iron man and having people killed while you could still save many others? Or not be iron man and many people get killed, but the blood won't be on your hands (or would it, since you literally had the power to prevent it)? But he doesn't ask himself that. He never second guesses the accords. Neither does Steve.

 

[diaspora]

The greatest thing that came from this movie was the potential for a Zemo led Thunderbolts team.

 

[chaobreaker]

Zemo: These [winter soldiers] died in their sleep.

*cut to shots of encased soldiers each with a gunshot wound to the head.*

What? Why? How?

 

[OriginofHysteria]

So you don't believe that footage wasn't doctored in some way?

Why would it be doctored? I'm pretty sure Bucky said he remembered everything while being beaten up by Tony

 

[The Artisan]

lol Bucky puts himself on ice specifically because he's still got a homicidal lunatic inside him. I'd imagine that's why Bruce left too.

I think those rumors about hulk being in the next Thor movie is true. Their absences will be explained if the events of Thor 3 are concurrent with Cap3's.

 

[Quick]

Zemo: These [winter soldiers] died in their sleep.

*cut to shots of encased soldiers each with a gunshot wound to the head.*

What? Why? How?

"If it helps, they died in their sleep" - he shot them while they were still iced. They didn't feel anything because they were sleeping.

 

[diaspora]

Zemo: These [winter soldiers] died in their sleep.

*cut to shots of encased soldiers each with a gunshot wound to the head.*

What? Why? How?

He didn't want Iron Man and Steve to have a common enemy to physically confront with the super soldiers.

 

[Sblargh]

I am on both teams. Everyone is right given their unique points of view.

You can dislike a character or think he is a hypocrite or whatever; but I don't think anyone was out of character or acting in a certain way just because the script demanded and that's the most important thing to me.

I learned to love Tony Stark and Reed Richards even after they created a super-prison on the negative zone and made a frankenstein Thor, unleashing it on other heroes so without testing that it caused the death of one of them.

As long as the characters are acting in character, I am used to them being flawed far above anyone on this position should be flawed. It made sense for 616 Tony Stark and Reed Richards, without Captain and Sue as moral guides, to do stupid shit just because they can; because without a heart, they are too smart for their own good. Also makes sense for MCU Tony Stark to create Ultron and for post-Ultron MCU Tony Stark to do all the shit he did in this movie.

That's pretty much what I ask from these movies; that the heroes be themselves; which usually mean good people at heart, but so goddamn flawed that it takes 3/4 of the movie just for them to finally get their shit together and go fight the villain. The difference between on this movie was that the villain was smart enough to give them an excuse to act out against each other on the final act.

 

[chaobreaker]

He didn't want Iron Man and Steve to have a common enemy to physically confront with the super soldiers.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Damn Zemo was a good villain.

 

[Sojgat]

It's one thing to know it happened, it's another thing to watch it unfold with that level of brutality. And then find out that Steve knew, and willingly withheld it to protect him? In the same week where this fugitive (who was responsible for murdering dozens of Shield Agents in DC) beat up half the team during his jailbreak, assaulted a German SWAT team, was responsible for the fight that got his best friend crippled, and broke up the Avengers? And Tony had just gone to bat for him (against Ross) after learning he'd been set up?

It'd be like putting down a rabid dog. He's a living weapon who hurts people wherever he goes, whether he wants to or not. It's not childish for Tony to want to finally put an end to Barnes when he learns two of his victims personally.

And "What about brainwashed Hulk?" is funny, because a) Tony in the comics shot the Hulk into space for being a repeatedly destructive force and b) the Hulk in the MCU is an actual murderer, even when he's not being mind controlled. And Bruce still blames himself for who he hurts when he's out of control, because all the mental gymnastics in the world don't change what he is, what he does, and what he knows he'll do in the future.

This might hold water if Tony was acting on reason and out of consideration for the greater good, but he was acting entirely on emotion.

It sounds like you're trying to rationalize his attempted homicide, when even he wasn't. He just "didn't care." Bucky was a victim just as much as anyone he killed. He wasn't in control of his faculties when he was doing these things because he had been programmed. Tony's only excuse is he was really upset.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

He didn't want Iron Man and Steve to have a common enemy to physically confront with the super soldiers.

I really liked how that final scene played with expectations. You're expecting this bad ass kung fu fight against a dozen Russian super soldiers with Zemo cackling maniacally, and he's like nope, why the fuck would I want more dangerous supers running around, I hate you all.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Here it is.... My Impressions!


- The movie is not the masterpiece the internet was raving about... That being said, I really enjoyed it and thought it was great.

- I think the first hour does have some pacing flaws, I will wait for a second watch to pinpoint where exactly but even as a big Marvel fan who appreciated the setup and development, I think the first hour could have been tighter.

- This is how you do an Avengers movie. Keep Joss Whedon away, he's done. Russo's know how to do action but Im not a fan of the shaky cam opening sequence, It can get pretty blurry quick

- I thought I understood the premise but with a little bit of thought, it makes no sense to me.... How the fuck are people bitching about accountability? These people fucking saved the world from catastrophe on multiple occasions.... Im sorry but people are going to fucking die regardless. Its impossible to save 100% of lives, but at least the death count is mitigated. How the fuck can you be blamed for an alien fucking invasion that appeared out of nowhere? If I was in that meeting, I would have walked out. Next time some fuck shit happens, how about you deal with that shit yourself.

(Its even more insulting when the government themselves were infiltrated by terrorists and they were gonna nuke NYC but wanna talk about fucking accountability...)

- Cap getting with Sharon is such a stretch..... weak as hell just to get a female love interest in there... unnecessary

- T'Challa is a fucking king, put some respek on his name, All tree of y'all, I aint gon say it no mo'

- Bucky is a somewhat jobber, Like someone said, he's def more effective under mind control orders

- Definitive depiction of Spidey, He was awesome. I loved how they even got to really show his strength and just how much of an asset he is. At the same time, his inclusion was basically just to introduce him to the audience ahead of his film

- The airport sequence is probably one of the greatest things I've ever seen on film.]

- Giant Man was sick. Russo's did a great job balancing everybody but if anyone got snubbed for time it was Antman. Granted he killed every second he was on screen.

- Really loved the self aware meta jokes ( So you like cats? Your shield doesn't obey physics; Anyone else got new powers?)

- Tony is kinda fucked up in this, he realizes it when he sees everyone locked up.

- Cap was wrong as hell also... sorry, ya boy is an international terrorist and you're fighting everybody to protect him. Its kinda silly.

- Zemo.... I still don't know how to feel about him. He wasn't really captivating... And didn't come off to me as clever... but props for actually being the only one to succeed with his plan.

- Ya know, for a movie about accountability... Nobody gave a fuck that Vision paralyzed War Machine.

- I do feel like this movie lightened up at the end when it shouldn't. The only one who was pissed was Black Widow! It didn't show that Cap and Tony really beefed esp with that finale fight. The FedEx package was like some fake ass makeup gesture just to say they will still work together.

- To be honest, Bucky should have died in this movie. He played a huge role for both movies and I can't see how his presence will progress the story. I don't see how he's even valuable in Infinity War... he don't even have the arm no more! His death would have been a good emotional beat to cause separation between Cap and IM with real stakes. It would have been a great parallel arc to BP showing Tony succumb to vengeance while BP rises above. BP doesn't gain anything from harboring Bucky since the same could be done with Cap or any "fugitive" Avengers.

Picture this:

Final fight finale.
Bucky and Cap do the MvC combo.
Bucky tries to tear out IM's core.
IM blasts Buckys Arm off, beats the shit out of him.
IM beats the shit out of Cap. Cap gets back up / "I can do this all day"
IM give Cap the blaster special
IM walks over to half dead bucky, drags him to cliff ledge

Cap: "You don't have to do this Tony! This is all a misunderstanding! It wasn't his fault"

IM : "Misunderstanding? He killed my parents!!!!"

IM picks up Bucky, charges his blaster
Bucky looks at weakened Cap on ground

Bucky: "Thank you" / Whatever, some friend shit he would say

Cap : Tony, STOP! TONY!!

IM blasts Bucky off the cliff
*Silence*

Cap: AUGHGHGAHUAGHGHGH!!

Cap gets massive adrenaline energy
Starts fucking up Iron Man
Breaks the suit.
Grabs the shield, bout to stab Tony, Tony flinches
Stabs the core reactor in the suit.

Cap walks off.

Tony: You don't deserve that shield

Cap throws the shield on the ground.


IMO Thats the movie ending on a big ass beef. Tony and Cap are NOT friends right now and had a conflict movie that puts the characters in a WAYYY more interesting place to pick up from by the time the next threat comes around.

I want to see the movie again and see if I notice anything else.

 

[roflwaffles]

His last seventy years are basically montages of murder and people chanting gibberish at him in Russian, spliced together with completely nonsensical editing that leaves huge gaps in causality. He probably feels right at home watching Batman v Superman.

hahahahha

 

[jaekeem]

Here it is.... My Impressions!


- The movie is not the masterpiece the internet was raving about... That being said, I really enjoyed it and thought it was great.

- I think the first hour does have some pacing flaws, I will wait for a second watch to pinpoint where exactly but even as a big Marvel fan who appreciated the setup and development, I think the first hour could have been tighter.

- This is how you do an Avengers movie. Keep Joss Whedon away, he's done. Russo's know how to do action but Im not a fan of the shaky cam opening sequence, It can get pretty blurry quick

- I thought I understood the premise but with a little bit of thought, it makes no sense to me.... How the fuck are people bitching about accountability? These people fucking saved the world from catastrophe on multiple occasions.... Im sorry but people are going to fucking die regardless. Its impossible to save 100% of lives, but at least the death count is mitigated. How the fuck can you be blamed for an alien fucking invasion that appeared out of nowhere? If I was in that meeting, I would have walked out. Next time some fuck shit happens, how about you deal with that shit yourself.

(Its even more insulting when the government themselves were infiltrated by terrorists and they were gonna nuke NYC but wanna talk about fucking accountability...)

- Cap getting with Sharon is such a stretch..... weak as hell just to get a female love interest in there... unnecessary

- T'Challa is a fucking king, put some respek on his name, All tree of y'all, I aint gon say it no mo'

- Bucky is a somewhat jobber, Like someone said, he's def more effective under mind control orders

- Definitive depiction of Spidey, He was awesome. I loved how they even got to really show his strength and just how much of an asset he is. At the same time, his inclusion was basically just to introduce him to the audience ahead of his film

- The airport sequence is probably one of the greatest things I've ever seen on film.]

- Giant Man was sick. Russo's did a great job balancing everybody but if anyone got snubbed for time it was Antman. Granted he killed every second he was on screen.

- Really loved the self aware meta jokes ( So you like cats? Your shield doesn't obey physics; Anyone else got new powers?)

- Tony is kinda fucked up in this, he realizes it when he sees everyone locked up.

- Cap was wrong as hell also... sorry, ya boy is an international terrorist and you're fighting everybody to protect him. Its kinda silly.

- Zemo.... I still don't know how to feel about him. He wasn't really captivating... And didn't come off to me as clever... but props for actually being the only one to succeed with his plan.

- Ya know, for a movie about accountability... Nobody gave a fuck that Vision paralyzed War Machine.

- I do feel like this movie lightened up at the end when it shouldn't. The only one who was pissed was Black Widow! It didn't show that Cap and Tony really beefed esp with that finale fight. The FedEx package was like some fake ass makeup gesture just to say they will still work together.

- To be honest, Bucky should have died in this movie. He played a huge role for both movies and I can't see how his presence will progress the story. I don't see how he's even valuable in Infinity War... he don't even have the arm no more! His death would have been a good emotional beat to cause separation between Cap and IM with real stakes. It would have been a great parallel arc to BP showing Tony succumb to vengeance while BP rises above. BP doesn't gain anything from harboring Bucky since the same could be done with Cap or any "fugitive" Avengers.

Picture this:

Final fight finale.
Bucky and Cap do the MvC combo.
Bucky tries to tear out IM's core.
IM blasts Buckys Arm off, beats the shit out of him.
IM beats the shit out of Cap. Cap gets back up / "I can do this all day"
IM give Cap the blaster special
IM walks over to half dead bucky, drags him to cliff ledge

Cap: "You don't have to do this Tony! This is all a misunderstanding! It wasn't his fault"

IM : "Misunderstanding? He killed my parents!!!!"

IM picks up Bucky, charges his blaster
Bucky looks at weakened Cap on ground

Bucky: "Thank you" / Whatever, some friend shit he would say

Cap : Tony, STOP! TONY!!

IM blasts Bucky off the cliff
*Silence*

Cap: AUGHGHGAHUAGHGHGH!!

Cap gets massive adrenaline energy
Starts fucking up Iron Man
Breaks the suit.
Grabs the shield, bout to stab Tony, Tony flinches
Stabs the core reactor in the suit.

Cap walks off.

Tony: You don't deserve that shield

Cap throws the shield on the ground.


IMO Thats the movie ending on a big ass beef. Tony and Cap are NOT friends right now and had a conflict movie that puts the characters in a WAYYY more interesting place to pick up from by the time the next threat comes around.

I want to see the movie again and see if I notice anything else.

I agree with your assessment of the ending.

I know some people will say Cap is now on the run/in Wakanda with the other Avengers, etc, but I'm just tired of major players not dying in these marvel films.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

I also didn't like how neatly things wrapped up with Tony. Should have just been the phone, no note.

 

[Apharmd]

His last seventy years are basically montages of murder and people chanting gibberish at him in Russian, spliced together with completely nonsensical editing that leaves huge gaps in causality. He probably feels right at home watching Batman v Superman.

savage.

 

[Imperfected]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Damn Zemo was a good villain.

The thing I really liked about him is the feeling that he was willing to make adjustments. Like, I can almost imagine him having made a dozen tentative attempts to put an anti-Avengers plan into motion before the Lagos event happened, each time failing but refining his approach a bit more.

He spells it out for the audience (with word and simultaneous deed) during that interrogation scene: nothing is impossible for a man with experience and patience. His plan isn't working because he's the most diabolical evil genius to ever walk the Earth and has accounted for every possible eventuality in his Xanatos Gambit; it's working because fuck you he kept trying and trying until he damn sure made it work, and was willing to change plans along the way to take advantage of new circumstances.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

This might hold water if Tony was acting on reason and out of consideration for the greater good, but he was acting entirely on emotion.

It sounds like you're trying to rationalize his attempted homicide, when even he wasn't. He just "didn't care." Bucky was a victim just as much as anyone he killed. He wasn't in control of his faculties when he was doing these things because he had been programmed. Tony's only excuse is he was really upset.

It would be inhuman to not have an emotional response after seeing that. The feeling of betrayal combined with sorrow and loss drove him to do what he probably had in the back of his mind for quite some time. He was originally going to try to send Bucky to an American psych ward.

Think about someone like the Joker. It's easy to rationalize that he belongs in a mental institution because he's criminally insane. Then you walk in on him murdering your family, do you calmly assert "well, he's not in his right mind, I'll get him the help he needs" or do you open up his fucking skull with your bare hands?

It would have been ridiculous to have Tony stand there and watch his father get his face caved and his mom get her throat crushed and go, "Well, I guess what happened 25 years ago happened, I'll give you guys a lift back after we arrest Zemo."

Edit: Should also add that T'Challa spent 90 minutes of this movie trying to murder Bucky for the exact same reason. Mind control and mental health semantics exist only in actual comic books. In the real world if you're a threat to living people, someone's going to put a bullet in you. It sucks and it's unfair, but that's life. Jessica Jones spent a good chunk of the season showing survivor guilt for mind control is a lifelong thing, no one just brushes it off.

 

[guek]

I don't think Tony murdering Bucky is something the character could ever come back from.

 

[The Artisan]

I don't think Tony murdering Bucky is something the character could ever come back from.

he's killed people before

but if you mean he would later regret it and could never get on good terms with cap again, yeah.

 

[Sblargh]

What's with people going into a superhero movie saying "yeah, I hope one of those essentialy good people who are generally trying to protect us all to have a miserable death at the end"?

Who looks at the end of this movie and goes "yep, not enough tragedy"? What the hell.

 

[lucebuce12]

What's with people going into a superhero movie saying "yeah, I hope one of those essentialy good people who are generally trying to protect us all to have a miserable death at the end"?

Who looks at the end of this movie and goes "yep, not enough tragedy"? What the hell.

I don't know about that man, I just wanted more Aunt May.

 

[guek]

he's killed people before

but if you mean he would later regret it and could never get on good terms with cap again, yeah.

He's killed people in self defense or in the defense of others but he's never straight up murdered someone as an act of revenge.

 

[mrmickfran]

This entire movie was basically: "How much more can we fuck up Tony's life in 2 hours".

This entire film was Tony getting the most shit out of anybody.

Russo Bros. aren't a fan.

 

[The Artisan]

He's killed people in self defense or in the defense of others but he's never straight up murdered someone as an act of revenge.

you mean, avenge? as in, he's never been in a position before where he'd feel the adrenaline rush to avenge his murdered parents, right?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

What's with people going into a superhero movie saying "yeah, I hope one of those essentialy good people who are generally trying to protect us all to have a miserable death at the end"?

Who looks at the end of this movie and goes "yep, not enough tragedy"? What the hell.

Are you serious?

When was Bucky ever protecting us all?


If the person who murdered your parents was standing a foot away from you, How would you react? Don't lie, its a completely expected human reaction.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I really like this movie. Like, a lot.

It's absolutely better than Ultron
It's absolutely not as good as Winter Solider
It might not be better than The First Avenger (though you all know me and that I'm a soft touch for that picture)
But part of why I feel that way is due to the fact that this isn't really Cap's movie.

It's Tony's.

Did you know his parents died ON MY BIRTHDAY in 1991?

Like, I was getting a kickass nintendo game and maybe some new basketball shoes in 1991.

 

[mr jones]

What's with people going into a superhero movie saying "yeah, I hope one of those essentialy good people who are generally trying to protect us all to have a miserable death at the end"?

Who looks at the end of this movie and goes "yep, not enough tragedy"? What the hell.

All still drunk on Game of Thrones, bruh.

 

[Ashhong]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Damn Zemo was a good villain.

I don't think it's that deep. He doesn't want innocents to die and chaos/the world to burn or whatever. He just wants the Avengers to fight, that's all.

Zemo being called a good villain just shows how poor MCU villains have been imo. Dude was cool, but pretty simple and nothing special.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

This entire movie was basically: "How much more can we fuck up Tony's life in 2 hours".

This entire film was Tony getting the most shit out of anybody.

Russo Bros. aren't a fan.

Tony needed to be taken down a peg after the shit he pulled in AoU.

But they did a great job of painting both sides in shades of grey. Tony isn't a villain here just because he's an antagonist. Like others have said everything he does had a reason behind it.

You can tell he's really on edge when he blasts Falcon in the chest during his half-assed apology over Rhodes' accident.

 

[guek]

you mean, avenge? as in, he's never been in a position before where he'd feel the adrenaline rush to avenge his murdered parents, right?

Lol I guess it is a matter of your point of view. Imo, it'd be murder. Bucky was a victim too.

 

[Sblargh]

Are you serious?

When was Bucky ever protecting us all?


If the person who murdered your parents was standing a foot away from you, How would you react? Don't lie, its a completely expected human reaction.

Bucky was protecting us all during WW2 when he wasn't being mind controlled; but regardless, I am not talking about Tony wanting to kill him, I am talking about coming in this thread saying "someone should have died".

Why?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Bucky was protecting us all during WW2 when he wasn't being mind controlled; but regardless, I am not talking about Tony wanting to kill him, I am talking about coming in this thread saying "someone should have died".

Why?

Oh, I thought you were talking about Tony wanting to kill him

 

[The Artisan]

Lol I guess it is a matter of your point of view. Imo, it'd be murder. Bucky was a victim too.

indeed he was, but that is a different conversation (this thread has a lot of those, since a lot was going on in this movie but it was executed pretty well)