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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Linkstrikesback
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We've seen Cap's handwriting already. It's not cursive:
Fair point. It's still not impossible that he writes differently in a personal notebook (that he apparently carries while running) to a formal apology letter though.
That's probably my idea shot down though.
edit: Of course, looking at it the other way, those r's don't really look like n's. I guess Stan needs new glasses
Haven't seen this show, but this is what should have been for the final fight of Avengers 2. Ultron holding off or soloing all the avengers, not a repeat of the chitauri New York fight with an easy to dispatch army of clones.
Cap would be #TeamRocky and Bucky would be #TeamDrago
BuckRobotron
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Just seeing some of the latest reactions, I'd chime in with those reminding some that Steve was very close to signing the accords halfway through. So much so that you could almost feel Tony's nervous excitement in getting the sale. Then as has been noted the Wanda detention was brought up and Steve returned the pen.
Then connect the terrible sight of Wanda encased/shackled in the max prison later, the ultimate detention that clearly rocked Tony to see.
Then connect the terrible sight of Wanda encased/shackled in the max prison later, the ultimate detention that clearly rocked Tony to see.
Evil's Bane
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Saw this again and it was even better the second time. Like, I can't get over how good this movie is. Sure it's a dumb crowd pleaser blockbuster type movie but it's so good at being that, ya know? Like they knew exactly what the fans wanted to see and put their own surprises in on top of that. I wish these were the guys that directed Age of Ultron.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
"Cap reacts to YouTubers"
"...
People like this crap?"
He'll be just like the rest of us.
I'm still thinking Stark is going to die.
I'm actually happy the MCU has been relatively death-free regarding main characters. Using death to raise the stakes is a lazy crutch to lean on and the only two major deaths in the MCU were both from Whedon's movies - both of which seem really unnecessary in hindsight.
And yet there's no proof.
I was really worried they were going to kill off Cap or Bucky. Glad it didnt happen. We gotta see more of the Winter Soldier and honestly my interest level would plummet without seeing Captain America hold the shield in an avengers movie.
I believe they might kill off Hawkeye as well, I hope not because as a normal human he is pretty badass.
I could see Vision dying/ending when Thanos takes out the Infinity Stone in his head
Yes. Loved how versatile they made his wings in this one.
Noooooo. Stark came off as the most human character in the entire film. I understood his motivations and empathized with him every step of the way. The Spider-Man thing was the only part that was off, but we all know why those scenes were added.
Tony had a job to do. Wilson was still under arrest. He probably also blamed him a little for Rhodey's predicament. Shit wouldn't have gone down like that had they just signed the Accords.
Again, Stark was dealing with some heavy shit that was put on him. He was still trying to deal with his parent's deaths. He had to once again face accountability/responsibility for his actions that led to the death of innocents. He had to deal with comrades gone rogue after the Accord talks fell through. Then he had to deal with what could be considered a betrayal by a man he deemed a good friend.
I think if nothing else, Tony's intention at least was for the Avengers as an organization to follow international law but manage its own members which Steve was basically on board with too eventually until his freakout about Wanda. Having the latter taken away disturbed him.
It'd be funnier if due to his lack of experience with the whole interne thing that he immediately and readily finds LOW HANGING MEME MATERIAL to be super hilarious.
"haha look at that frog it look so sad"
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
No, Sally Floyd will be there to tell him that he doesn't know anything about America.
It's just his 1944 brain.
The best a person could say about Maguire was that he was a serviceable Spider-Man. But to put him in the company of Reeves in terms of iconic portrayals? Pfffffft, keep dreaming.
Tony just seemed to take it too far repeatedly, recruiting Spider-man was a pretty poor idea that he obviously realized at the end. I wont say any more than that because I think everyone agrees.
The end when Stark found out about his parents he was going to kill the Winter Solider for sure but he was going to kill Cap as well (Final Warning). Cap/Bucky were only trying to disable his suit/get the hell out of there.
Putting Wanda on house arrest without talking to Cap about it before or letting him know was kinda stupid and really not necessary. She isnt a psychopath she made a mistake that cost lives, how many times did Tony did that with much more careless behavior than she ever displayed?
Cap's team never went for a killing blow while I would argue Iron Man's team did repeatedly and put more people in danger. That shot from Vision would have killed Falcon easily if it had hit him.
Saw this movie and then looked at the reviews. What the hell.
I'm glad a lot of people are arguing about Stark drafting Peter, a fucking high school kid. I'm supposed to believe Stark is genuinely distraught by his accidental murder of a very similar kid, yet is willing to let this kid (still struggling with his newfound powers), come and fight human weapons with him?
I see some excuses here to justify it (which are bad excuses and I don't buy them), it nevertheless completely destroyed the emotional foundation on which the film was building itself. Stark isn't full of regret and doing the right thing in this movie. He isn't feeling human emotions. He's being a superhero for the sake of being a superhero and his actions make no sense other than to pull the next scene forwards.
Other things: Bucky sucks. He's ugly and he has no personality. His entire story is boring. Him killing Tony Stark's dad (whether or not this is in the comics, who cares) brings this movie into coincidence hell, and it does it for no pay off. I'm sitting there dreading them bringing the 5 super warriors into the film this entire time (who wouldn't?), and it never even happens.
The good parts were Spider-Man's forced cameo and Paul Rudd. Stark being distraught over his parents death was good at the end, until it went no where.
4/10
I don't know if people's standards were lowered by Batman vs. Superman, but this was just not worth the recommendation.
I'm glad a lot of people are arguing about Stark drafting Peter, a fucking high school kid. I'm supposed to believe Stark is genuinely distraught by his accidental murder of a very similar kid, yet is willing to let this kid (still struggling with his newfound powers), come and fight human weapons with him?
I see some excuses here to justify it (which are bad excuses and I don't buy them), it nevertheless completely destroyed the emotional foundation on which the film was building itself. Stark isn't full of regret and doing the right thing in this movie. He isn't feeling human emotions. He's being a superhero for the sake of being a superhero and his actions make no sense other than to pull the next scene forwards.
Other things: Bucky sucks. He's ugly and he has no personality. His entire story is boring. Him killing Tony Stark's dad (whether or not this is in the comics, who cares) brings this movie into coincidence hell, and it does it for no pay off. I'm sitting there dreading them bringing the 5 super warriors into the film this entire time (who wouldn't?), and it never even happens.
The good parts were Spider-Man's forced cameo and Paul Rudd. Stark being distraught over his parents death was good at the end, until it went no where.
4/10
I don't know if people's standards were lowered by Batman vs. Superman, but this was just not worth the recommendation.
Haven't started with AoS since impressions here and elsewhere seemed mixed and i have still a ton of good stuff on my "to watch" list.
Deepest bench maybe, but is Green Goblin or Venom really better than Dr. Doom?
Who are your favorite Spidey antagonists?
In hindsight this was actually a very good way for Tony to get Peter to see what the real world was like without putting him in any actual danger.
Probably figured that getting him to fight Captain America meant that he wouldn't be in any mortal danger.
Yea Joss "Shakespeare killed characters so I will too!" Whedon. He's a great writer and director but I feel like he never understood why Shakespeare wrote the deaths he did.
Green Goblin
Venom
Doc Ock
Kraven
Mysterio
Scorpion
Rhino
Electro
Carnage (in the right scenarios)
Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, especially after SUPERIOR.
Kraven the Hunter is up there, too. Never really cared for the Symbiote characters.
Dr. Doom is great, but as a whole, I'm still giving it to Spidey. I've always preferred the street-level heroes as well. Never cared much for Spider-Man doing Avengers stuff.
Hell, I don't care much for where he is in the comics currently. But that's another topic.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Lol wtf is this "character sucks because he's ugly"
No personality...uhh did you forget the part where he has had his mind wiped repeatedly over the course of being made a human weapon made to serve Nazis for the last 70 years?
Him killing Howard is not a coincidence at all, either.
Wheeljack539
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It had already been heavily implied that Bucky killed Howard Stark in Winter Soldier during the Zola scene. The bit with the newspaper headlines with Stark's death and Zola's line "Accidents happen..." intertwined with shots of Bucky.
I honestly don't know where to pin down Stark bringing in Spidey without mentioning the Disney/Marvel x Sony deal.
It was looking pretty rough there. I talked about this with somebody else in this thread, and he was definitely out for blood, but he didn't bring out the suit's full arsenal at all. His wrist mounted lasers could've fucked Cap and Bucky's lives up, but he never used them.
Not everything has to go through Cap. I felt it was a good decision for both her safety and the safety of others. I imagine a situation where she was allowed to go outside. She gets accosted on the street and has to defend herself, but her powers could easily hurt an ordinary human. Better to err on the side of caution.
Panther was the only dude that was actively trying to catch a body for most of the film. Wanda actually scolded Clint for pulling his punches. And Rhodey could've annihilated Giant Man after he melted that bus. Vision could've destroyed everybody.
Just other word for she is inexperienced.
Minors look quiete adult these days!
Tony is the king of "it's better to ask forgiveness afterwards than to ask permission beforehand"
Which all stems from his ego of course
I'd describe college students as kids, tbh. Tobey was called a kid in SM2 and he was in college!
Which all stems from his ego of course
I'd describe college students as kids, tbh. Tobey was called a kid in SM2 and he was in college!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
But its also like Tony said...if they didn't do it to themselves, it was going to be done to them
Damn, poor Parker... come on, that kids chin could easily eat a heavy punch from IM,War Machine, Cap, Bucky or Panther... (like getting hit from a car), something Antman, Widow, Wanda, Hawkeye and Falcon could not.
Also his webbing is good for containing people (in theory) so Tony choosing him for stopping Cap is a logical choice.
I love how you go "I'm ready to hate the movie when it seems like they're setting up 5 super soldiers fight, but then it never happens so I hate it more".
peanutbutterlatte
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Neander
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I agree. That's just a weird way to judge a character. he/she must really hate a lot of the characters if that's the metric.
He's not ugly.
Would make her potentional relationship with a underaged child way less creepy
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Tony brings in Spider-Man specifically for his webs, because he sees them as a very potent way to bring in Steve's team quickly and safely. He even tells Peter the plan is to keep his distance and disable. Its an irresponsible mistake, yes, but Tony's plan was not for Peter to be duking it out
holland screaming "the walking thingies" was more on point than anything tobey did through 3 full movies
Ooh yeah sure, just know that every point you find against Tony, that same critic is also the same for Steve. In fact, almost everything, try it and see if you can
We've seen Cap's handwriting already. It's not cursive:
Fun fact they localized that list for different regions. No ways its his actual handwriting.
You're telling me women don't get pleasure from machines in the real world?!
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Saw it last night. I went in with high expectations, hoping it was the movie that BvS might have been. It was better than BvS, but not nearly as much daylight between the two as the reactions had me thinking.
1) The dialogue is top-notch and the action is stellar. These are the reasons to see the movie.
2) By the end of the movie, I was wanting it to be over. This is a new one for me for a Marvel movie, but by Siberia I just wanted to be done. The reveals there, of Zemo's "plan" and the Starks' murder failed to land in any meaningful way and just felt dumb. Having one more Cap/IM fight was too much as well.
3) I don't normally go off on plot holes, as I think they are often easily explained or handwaved or even implied, but this movie broke me. Most egregious-- IM has 36 hours to take down Cap-- so he goes to Queens to recruit an Unknown (and make him a suit)? Second-most egregious (possibly explicable, but certainly not clear)-- Zemo plans to take down the Avengers from the inside, but doesn't know all the details when he starts-- so does he just go raid some Hydra guy's place to dig up *anything* and happen to find the perfect wedge to drive between the team? I feel like the Zemo plotline got seriously starved and as such has little impact and isn't at all interesting. I cared more about the random kid victim referenced earlier than Zemo's family.
4) Spider-Man and Black Panther were great, and I am looking forward to their movies, even if Spider-Man seem shoehorned in here.
5) Lots of unnecessary stuff that I was mixed on. I love the Wanda/Vision relationship in the comics, but it really added nothing to the movie here. They beat the ideological rifts about twice as many times as they had to for the story. The Pepper stuff (and much of the Stark stuff) was unnecessary. Basically, the film really needed an editor.
6) I though Cap was reckless in a very out-of-character way. The amount of damage and near-loss of life he caused by his choice wasn't at all balanced in the movie by anything. I get not wanting to sign the accord, but attacking police and nearly getting them killed, and being somewhat responsible for later deaths and conflict doesn't look good on him. When he was trying to stop a loose terrorist who might be about to unleash supervillains it was justified, but a lot of it was just because he wanted to save Bucky.
7) I didn't care for where they left things at the end, but that's a taste thing. I don't like Cap and Co. being outlaws. But I also suppose that might be resolved.
1) The dialogue is top-notch and the action is stellar. These are the reasons to see the movie.
2) By the end of the movie, I was wanting it to be over. This is a new one for me for a Marvel movie, but by Siberia I just wanted to be done. The reveals there, of Zemo's "plan" and the Starks' murder failed to land in any meaningful way and just felt dumb. Having one more Cap/IM fight was too much as well.
3) I don't normally go off on plot holes, as I think they are often easily explained or handwaved or even implied, but this movie broke me. Most egregious-- IM has 36 hours to take down Cap-- so he goes to Queens to recruit an Unknown (and make him a suit)? Second-most egregious (possibly explicable, but certainly not clear)-- Zemo plans to take down the Avengers from the inside, but doesn't know all the details when he starts-- so does he just go raid some Hydra guy's place to dig up *anything* and happen to find the perfect wedge to drive between the team? I feel like the Zemo plotline got seriously starved and as such has little impact and isn't at all interesting. I cared more about the random kid victim referenced earlier than Zemo's family.
4) Spider-Man and Black Panther were great, and I am looking forward to their movies, even if Spider-Man seem shoehorned in here.
5) Lots of unnecessary stuff that I was mixed on. I love the Wanda/Vision relationship in the comics, but it really added nothing to the movie here. They beat the ideological rifts about twice as many times as they had to for the story. The Pepper stuff (and much of the Stark stuff) was unnecessary. Basically, the film really needed an editor.
6) I though Cap was reckless in a very out-of-character way. The amount of damage and near-loss of life he caused by his choice wasn't at all balanced in the movie by anything. I get not wanting to sign the accord, but attacking police and nearly getting them killed, and being somewhat responsible for later deaths and conflict doesn't look good on him. When he was trying to stop a loose terrorist who might be about to unleash supervillains it was justified, but a lot of it was just because he wanted to save Bucky.
7) I didn't care for where they left things at the end, but that's a taste thing. I don't like Cap and Co. being outlaws. But I also suppose that might be resolved.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I like this movie a lot but the more I reflect on it the more frustrated I get, because Cap's side with regards to the accords only makes sense in the house since I've seen it, and his actions in the movie seem contrived to move the plot forward. I was 100% team Iron Man through the movie, and even now I'm just back down to "they both have a point" but during the actual film all I could think was "Cap you don't need to fight there are other damn ways to resolve this, just go talk to him"
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