Nah he apparently got mad since he found out Bucky killed his parents and Cap knew and didn't say anything. Real weak, but it got us to the ending in the trailer with them fighting
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Nah he apparently got mad since he found out Bucky killed his parents and Cap knew and didn't say anything. Real weak, but it got us to the ending in the trailer with them fighting
Yeah, they never really explain it. Something about a book they didn't like, or someone getting killed?
Weird movie.
Either way, it's not worth acknowledging.
I'll probably fall victim again though before this thread is through
edit: never mind
BronsonLee
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You should fall victim to my dastardly tactics instead
Are...are you coming on to me??
Scrooge McDuck
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It's the donuts.
BronsonLee
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I never got around to writing anything up. Fun week at work.
It was...okay? Thoroughly competent with some great moments. I think its greatest accomplishment was juggling so many characters as well as they did. It was borderline miraculous. It did feel a bit like they were stuffing characters in just for the sake of it - Ant-Man, Hawkeye and Spiderman literally show up because the competing sides needed backup, but they didn't have much of a role outside of the ensemble fight scenes (and to introduce the new Spider-Man/Peter Parker). The film lost some focus as a result, but in the end that was okay, because they were fun to have around.
They were smart in making the big airport scene not be the climactic fight of the film; they dialed it down to the core set and made it more personal for the finale. But that was also where the film kinda fell apart for me because the ending scenario made little sense. So many things had to fall into place for Zemo's plot to work. The film mistakes the end of the Steve/Tony fight with the end of the film, and drops everything there. I didn't feel like the end if the fist fight resolved the conflicts, so it ended on a note that left me unsatisfied.
I wasn't joking when I said that bit with the car was my favorite moment in the film. I liked most of the non-action better than the action, because these characters are really well defined and it's fun to see them play off each other. Vision in that goddamn sweater. He and Wanda cooking together. Peter Parker worried about his homework. Tony flirting with Aunt May. Steve mourning his lost love, while realizing he might have another (while his bros cheer him on from the car, no less). I liked that stuff more than the airport fight, which was packed with great moments and choreography while also dragging on a bit long. I'd have traded the airport fight for a road trip segment with those three in the Beetle gladly.
But overall, it was a good execution of the same premise that BvS totally borked (evil guy tricking the good guys into a fight, collateral damage of past battles a major context, the limits and dangers of heroism and power, etc.). It was nice to have a villain who had both clear motivations and wasn't surrounded by goons for the good guys to blow through. And I bought into why the conflict erupted and why sides were taken, much more so than I thought i would.
Boseman stole the film, IMO. He layered regal authority with seething rage, and simmering just beneath all of that, grief. He completely anchored the film and I thought formed the emotional center more than Steve or Tony did. Black Panther is probably my most anticipated film in the MCU right now because of him. (Kinda hoping Bucky has a role there as well.)
TBH, I don't feel strongly about this one either way. Competently done, a great ensemble, some good action. Fantastic Spidey and Black Panther. Seems clear it's setting up the Avengers to be on the run/segmented so they can come together when Thanos shows up in the next Avengers. It was a fun couple of hours, but not a while lot more than that.
StarCreator
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Moments like that were genuinely funny in Civil War whereas nothing in Age of Ultron was funny at all. I'm so glad Russo brothers are doing the next Avengers.
Yeezus H. Christ
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I guess Black Panther played Sean in Street Fighter III growing up.
Slowing down the gif makes it look very wure-fuey, whereas in the actual film, it's much more fluid.
Discotheque
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haha i'm the opposite. i think that looks way better than it did in film/bootleg gif posted here a while ago.
Callibretto
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when that line come out, I was half wondering if there will be backlash about giving that lines to someone else and not from Cap himself. but I think the consensus is everyone loves it. how did marvel does it? it's no secret that they took liberty when adapting from the source material, but their adaptation is mostly pretty well received, even Guardians of Galaxy which I think is very different from the comic is a big hit for fans.
This is lulzy to me. It just shows how you have NO IDEA that what you've been talking about is personal opinion and not fact. But you've been passing it around as the later.
I don't give a shit about any characters in Mad Max, *especially* Max himself. There's just nothing that endear them to me. Maybe because they look like a bunch of supermodel running around the dessert while the others look like a bunch of crazy loons.
He's invoking Fury Road as an appeal to authority because that movie is near universally praised. Problem is it's obvious he doesn't have the faintest clue what it is that works in that movie when he brings up character endearment and uses the fucking brides as an example.
Yup, it was a Spidey tease.
Yes. It's just a scene of Peter Parker in his room having bruises and stuff.
User Name Here
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I can't wait for Black Panther and the new Spiderman after watch this. I'm loving how they are tying all the movies together in some way. And I think they've done great casting all around for all of the characters so far.
mrmickfran
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I just remembered something that Clint said about Tony after Rhodey's accident.
"You better watch your back with this guy, there's a chance he's gonna break it!"
That's... incredibly fucked up.
"You better watch your back with this guy, there's a chance he's gonna break it!"
That's... incredibly fucked up.
Then sexy aunt May says, "that Tony guy send me a dick pic".
Inquisitive_Ghost
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I like where the airport scene fits thematically because it underscores the original conflict, i.e. that people get hurt with the Avengers around, even when they're trying to minimize harm. It's basically "it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt" in action scene form. ¯_(ツ
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_/¯Absolutely, but so is being incarcerated in a secret offshore supermax prison no one knows about without any due process
I like where the airport scene fits thematically because it underscores the original conflict, i.e. that people get hurt with the Avengers around, even when they're trying to minimize harm. It's basically "it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt" in action scene form. ¯_(ツ
Yup. I can understand the complaints about tone but as someone who has been following the MCU quite closely over the last 8 years, it never felt jarring to me because it's consistent with how these characters have interacted in the past. The abrupt end to the fight and the change in tone is even foreshadowed by Tony earlier in the film when he describes the kid that died while the Avengers were busy having fun "kickin' ass" in Sokovia.
brandonh83
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Just got out of my second viewing and I'm not sure when the last time was that I liked a movie that I already loved even more. I really analyzed the story, themes, structure, and how brilliantly and organically the plot shifts gears with each new development.
-big fun airport brawl that lacks extreme intensity because nobody wants to actually be there doing this and hurting each other
-Rhodes' accident that leads to Tony wanting to hurt someone, shifting the gears
-Tony discovering the truth about Bucky being framed, shifting the gears
-then finally with the '91 footage, shifting the gears but oh fuck the gears just broke
It's actually a thing of beauty, really.
-big fun airport brawl that lacks extreme intensity because nobody wants to actually be there doing this and hurting each other
-Rhodes' accident that leads to Tony wanting to hurt someone, shifting the gears
-Tony discovering the truth about Bucky being framed, shifting the gears
-then finally with the '91 footage, shifting the gears but oh fuck the gears just broke
It's actually a thing of beauty, really.
Astral Dog
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wow, Spiderman was just a...kid, an ordinary high school boy, no angst, no snarky. no edgy just a boy hanging out with superheroes. i like that.
ArtHands
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Just saw this and again I am annoyed at the lack of a built up real villain.. This seems to be a trend Marvel can't shake. Where's my Dark Knight joker who can outshine the hero? Nope instead I get Cicovia complaint number 2 after the black lady, only this one speaks Russian..
Other than that the movie was good, especially Spiderman who stole the show, we need an IronMan Spiderman buddy cop film.
Joke post? Because this is a movie about Civil War, where the villain is suppose to be taking a back seat. The focuses are on Bucky, Cap, IronMan.
Did anyone complain about the comic Civil War not having a true villain behind everything?
Then why bother with mister fake Russian accent?? Just let it go, embrace its an internal fight narrative with no villain.. Either shit or get off the pot
Yeezus H. Christ
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Zemo was a direct reflection of the consequences the Avengers invoke upon themselves as a result of their 'Avenging'. Like Ultron said, people create the things they fear the most. The Avengers created Zemo.
It was a great way to tie together the MCU movies while also presenting a villain with sympathetic motivations, which, besides Loki, hadn't been done until now.
The villain was supposed to be understated, that was the whole point. He's supposed to be the consequences of the Avengers actions that they neglect and forget about. He's a subversion of the typical bombastic insane marvel villain we're used to getting.
Rentahamster
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He was? If he really wanted to kill them, couldn't he have just done that OHKO red laser thing, or unibeamed them?
brandonh83
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Yep. Thematically resonate villain with real substance. Don't worry, Thanos is coming.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Tony legit wanted to kill Bucky, he fires a missile at him point-blank, lmao.
He uses the beam too. Lol, he was definitely trying to kill Bucky.
Imperfected
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Hawkeye's super power is that his sick burns always hit the mark.
Rentahamster
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Yeah, I think he wanted to kill Bucky, but not Cap.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Yeah, I knew when Tony went there by mentioning his kids Hawkeye wasn't gonna NOT have the last word.
Rentahamster
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I don't think so. Throughout the movie, Zemo adjusts his plan based on the intel that is available to him. He tried to manipulate the events so that there was a chance that Tony and Bucky would have been in the same room at the same time as the unveiling of the video, but even if that didn't happen, he could have just emailed the video to Tony later and still sowed unrest and conflict within the team.
I think that was intended. The movie ends where everyone is on a bad note and still unsure of the future. I can see how it might not be to everyone's liking, however.
Subpar Spatula
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What was effective about him? You mentioned Pepper and Tony's relationships. You have yet to show how the movie framed Rhodey to be someone to care for except that, you know, he's Tony's BFF. This is, literally, anime level.
What reason is there for Vision to shoot at them? Tony says shoot him down but thematically and story wise this seems like
Omar (comin' yo') dying but to some random without a thematic reason
Imperfected
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What if I told you that when he and Tony were nine years old, they made a promise to each other to become power armor pilots with fully functional human legs one day?
Subpar Spatula
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Would be weird and have to be sufficiently explored before I accept it. You would then question why Vision is the one to harm Rhodey and the fallout with that. It's never addressed. The movie wants you to care but doesn't do the necessary follow-up.
L4DANathan
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Exactly, he's just the spark that gets the fire going. Hell, I would say that even calling him a 'villain' is only applicable because of the Accords bombing/setting Bucky loose on the guards. He is a very good reflection of the Avengers actually, pursuing his own idea of what's right by himself.
The Silver
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Imperfected
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Well, yeah. Unfortunately for Clint, Black Panther's super power is being better than you.
Glass Rebel
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Wouldn't really have fit the character in this movie but I still hope they end up using it in a future Cap movie. As long as they give him a good reason to return.
Scrooge McDuck
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Come on, you don't get to relentlessly challenge a person's opinion and demand a specific example of quality when all you can offer as counter points are nebulous things like "not interesting" and "anime level".
To some people, the scene works. To you it doesn't. Just leave it at that and take solace in the notion that your preference is more particular than others.
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