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[PsychBat!]

Based on the comic panels, Thanos will surely kill some weak heroes in Earth right?

Then people will complain that there sre too many deaths in Infinity War Part 1

Oh yeah. In the comic, Adam Warlock enlists the aid of:

Silver Surfer
Drax the Destroyer
Hulk
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Namor
Cyclops
Scarlet Witch
Nova
Firelord
Captain America
She-Hulk
Thor
Vision
Wolverine
Dr. Doom
Cloak
Quasar

Only 5 of those listed survive the initial confrontation.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Sam Wilson: Best wingman ever.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I bet with you guys that Tonys Avengers will be looking for to fly off and want fight Thanos but the UN will be like "LoL, a purple alien overlord with a silly glove, are you kidding us? You stay at earth and go to the whirlpool at Avengers Facility." And Tony will recognize, that #SteveWasRight

 

[Boss Doggie]

So, uh, what sort of power are we looking at with a fully assembled gauntlet?

an ungimped Marvel Super Heroes final boss

 

[Donos]

What is this about "film leaked" online? There are cam versions of every movie online when it opens in theatres. You even see the head of someone sitting there in the bucky/falcon gif pages back. "Leaked" online would be a high quality bluRay/VOD/dvd screener version (like expendables 3).

Going to see it today again, this time in german with a friend. Let's see if the Bucharest > Berlin transition is better with a second viewing.

 

[Houndi101]

thanosretrievesinfinitystone.jpg

 

[JimiNutz]

I really hope no major hero ever dies in one of these movies so I can see people continue to ask for completely pointless deaths.

Why pointless?
If there is absolutely no chance in people dying then what is at stake when they fight? If your Hero's can't die then it's really boring watching them fight. There is no tension and people eventually will just stop caring.

It should have been the death of key characters that brought the group back together united.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

You can make tense stuff and not kill of characters pointlessly.

The fight between Iron Man and Captain America in the end was fucking tense and nobody died.

 

[Houndi101]

You can make tense stuff and not kill of characters pointlessly.

The fight between Iron Man and Captain America in the end was fucking tense and nobody died.

It was so tense that for a second I thought Cap was gonna decapitate Tony.. I knew it wouldn't happen but they still sold it.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

It was so tense that for a second I thought Cap was gonna decapitate Tony.. I knew it wouldn't happen but they still sold it.

Exact this. I was shocked for a brief moment before I realized that he aimed for the Arc reactor.

 

[black070]

Infinity War is going to be such a hard movie to do well.

The same was said about Civil War.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Why pointless?
If there is absolutely no chance in people dying then what is at stake when they fight? If your Hero's can't die then it's really boring watching them fight. There is no tension and people eventually will just stop caring.

It should have been the death of key characters that brought the group back together united.

Because you don't need death for tragedy. Hell, Age of Ultron proved how cheap death can be. These heroes weren't out to kill each other. It was their unity, friendship and mutual respect that was at stake here.

 

[Theecliff]

Why pointless?
If there is absolutely no chance in people dying then what is at stake when they fight? If your Hero's can't die then it's really boring watching them fight. There is no tension and people eventually will just stop caring.

It should have been the death of key characters that brought the group back together united.

you don't necessarily need death to make the stakes in a fight interesting, especially when the goal of each side isn't supposed to be to kill each other until the final scene where tony goes ballistic.

and hell, there is the threat of death in this film. black panther is gunning for bucky's head for most of the film, rhodey gets paralysed, practically everyone gets injured in some form, and in the final fight scene not only does bucky get his arm blown straight off but at certain points it seems like tony or cap are gonna bludgeon each other to death.

 

[razzmahtazz]

Infinity War is going to be such a hard movie to do well.

I agree with this. Bends my mind how the hell they will do that ending. All I can think of is a severely nerfed Thanos/Gauntlet and maybe an earth invasion like the final JLU episode where Darkseid invades(The one with the cool Superman speech).

When people say the Russo's are the right people for Infinity War, I worry that they arent really tested for the way out there ideas of the comic, they more on grounding the action.

 

[Blade30]

Like the others said before you don't need characters to die (which is basically a cheap way to go) to create tension and rising the stakes. The movie were a major character could die (or maybe retire) is most like in Infinity War.

When people say the Russo's are the right people for Infinity War, I worry that they arent really tested for the way out there ideas of the comic, they more on grounding the action.

They specifically chose for the Captain America films to be more grounded than the other movies. Look at James Gunn before doing GotG or even the Russo Bros. before Winter Soldier/Civil War, no one expected that they could do it but they did.

 

[Flintty]

They've certainly left themselves an option. Ross definitely becomes more antagonistic by the films end. Maybe he wants to get the rogue Avengers back into custody. Maybe the only people that could ever bring them down are similarly powered individuals, but Stark isn't going to help again.

Maybe this is where the Thunderbolts come in...

Fucking yes if they can start talks with Fox to get Deadpool!!

 

[Palette Swap]

You can make tense stuff and not kill of characters pointlessly.

The fight between Iron Man and Captain America in the end was fucking tense and nobody died.

Yeah, that's a great example. The stakes were very high and I absolutely dreaded one of the three dying as the fighting got more bitter.
They built up to this for the entire movie and when Tony flew off the handle, I didn't feel secure enough to say "pschh, they're all going to walk away anyway".

The murky situation doesn't help : Bucky did kill Tony's parents, Tony does want to kill Bucky, and Steve did hide that fact from Tony.

 

[Pinewood]

Sam Wilson: Best wingman ever.

Pun intended I hope

 

[black070]

On the topic of deaths, boy am I glad Whedon is out. That Quicksilver death still grinds my gears - no weight to the moment at all, just a quick death shat out to shut the 'no stakes' crowd up before moving on to the next joke.

 

[ArtHands]

If only there was some other event in MCU where people got brainwashed or mindcontrolled that they could refer to...

Just because someone got brainwashed before, doesn't mean this guy got brainwashed too though

That's a flimsy excuse when you think deeper about it

 

[Son Of D]

Yeah, that's a great example. The stakes were very high and I absolutely dreaded one of the three dying as the fighting got more bitter.
They built up to this for the entire movie and when Tony flew off the handle, I didn't feel secure enough to say "pschh, they're all going to walk away anyway".

The murky situation doesn't help : Bucky did kill Tony's parents, Tony does want to kill Bucky, and Steve did hide that fact from Tony.

Agreed. When Cap said "I can do this all day" I was actually expecting and dreading that Stark was about to kill Cap with a repulsor blast or something.

But with them surviving, they have to live with the fact that they were in that situation for the rest of their lives. Sure Bucky, Cap and Stark may live in the end, but things won't be the same between them.

 

[hamchan]

The Quicksilver death is a joke. I forgot that even happened, that's how little it meant.

 

[Houndi101]

The Quicksilver death is a joke. I forgot that even happened, that's how little it meant.

It's ok, even Wanda didn't remember in this movie

 

[Blade30]

It's ok, even Wanda didn't remember in this movie

She did, when Ross showed the footage of the Sokovia incident, she immediately looked away.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Just because someone got brainwashed before, doesn't mean this guy got brainwashed too though

That's a flimsy excuse when you think deeper about it

Not really. If Barton gets away with it, Bucky does, too.

I mean, how can they proove that this staff wo turned Hawkeye around was magical? Maybe Clint just wanted to kill some SHIELD agents and needed a execuse?

 

[Henkka]

If death is the only thing at stake, your story sucks.

 

[razzmahtazz]

They specifically chose for the Captain America films to be more grounded than the other movies. Look at James Gunn before doing GotG or even the Russo Bros. before Winter Soldier/Civil War, no one expected that they could do it but they did.

Yes that means they're great at that particular tone or theme. Infinity War is just plain crazy. And I haven't seen them do crazy like Infinity War. At most I can see them handling the number of characters well, they're good at that, but when it comes to the adapting the comic book I need to see more from them to judge. Otherwise as I said earlier, I'm expecting Infinity War to be closer to a "darker" Avengers 1 rather than adapting the comic.

 

[Glass Rebel]

She did, when Ross showed the footage of the Sokovia incident, she immediately looked away.

That was the Lagos footage iirc.

 

[El Topo]

Just because someone got brainwashed before, doesn't mean this guy got brainwashed too though

That's a flimsy excuse when you think deeper about it

I'm not excusing anything, I'm just pointing out that there is at least some other precedence for (basically magic) brainwashing/mind control in MCU. Obviously the movie ignores the TV shows.
Clearly the UN however is trying to get to the bottom of the truth though, given that the first thing they do is send in someone to do a psychological evaluation. Obviously Bucky's name requires a long investigation, as well as psychological/medical examination.

 

[Houndi101]

She did, when Ross showed the footage of the Sokovia incident, she immediately looked away.

I think it was Lagos but to be fair she had pictures at her desk in the compound

 

[razzmahtazz]

Not really. If Barton gets away with it, Bucky does, too.

I mean, how can they proove that this staff wo turned Hawkeye around was magical? Maybe Clint just wanted to kill some SHIELD agents and needed a execuse?

How dumb would the governments would be if they didnt mine the Hydra leaks for any mention of Bucky and what was done to him?

 

[Dark_castle]

Sam Wilson: Best wingman ever.

Literally.

 

[Blade30]

That was the Lagos footage iirc.

Ok, yeah that's right, but she reacted to the sokovia footage, which was point.

 

[endlessflood]

The murky situation doesn't help : Bucky did kill Tony's parents, Tony does want to kill Bucky, and Steve did hide that fact from Tony.

Steve didn't know that Bucky did it, he even says exactly that to Tony in the film! All he had to go on was Armin Zola the AI saying "accidents happen" as a news clipping of Howard Stark's 'car accident' pops up on screen.

Steve only knew, or at least had strong reason to suspect, that Hydra had Howard Stark killed.

 

[Blade30]

Steve didn't know that Bucky did it, he even says exactly that to Tony in the film! All he had to go on was Armin Zola the AI saying "accidents happen" as a news clipping of Howard Stark's 'car accident' pops up on screen.

Steve only knew, or at least had strong reason to suspect, that Hydra had Howard Stark killed.

He did know. Natasha gave Steve a folder about Bucky at the end of Winter Soldier and said that he wouldn't like what he will see.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

How dumb would the governments would be if they didnt mine the Hydra leaks for any mention of Bucky and what was done to him?

If you had payed attention then you had heard in the movie that just a couple of files are open accessible and most of the them are encrypted.

Also, I am pretty sure Hydra is smart enough to not save 100% of their datas on SHIELD servers. Zemo getting hands on the mission report is also a important part of the movie btw. So not everything is out there.

 

[Son Of D]

Steve didn't know that Bucky did it, he even says exactly that to Tony in the film! All he had to go on was Armin Zola the AI saying "accidents happen" as a news clipping of Howard Stark's 'car accident' pops up on screen.

Steve only knew, or at least had strong reason to suspect, that Hydra had Howard Stark killed.

I thought it was obvious that Steve knew. Zola was talking about how Bucky was doing Hydra's dirty work and then mentioned that "accidents happen" as the newspaper of Stark's accident was on screen. I put 2+2 together.

 

[black070]

Steve didn't know that Bucky did it, he even says exactly that to Tony in the film! All he had to go on was Armin Zola the AI saying "accidents happen" as a news clipping of Howard Stark's 'car accident' pops up on screen.

Steve only knew, or at least had strong reason to suspect, that Hydra had Howard Stark killed.

Only to admit he did after being called out on it. He also admits and apologises for keeping it from him in his letter, telling him he thought he was doing so to protect him, but realises he did it to protect himself.

 

[endlessflood]

He did know. Natasha gave Steve a folder about Bucky at the end of Winter Soldier and said that he wouldn't like what he will see.

That was just info from the S.H.I.E.L.D. leak, right? If the info about Bucky being the one responsible for Howard Stark's death was in there, then Nemo wouldn't have needed to go through the whole elaborate ruse in Civil War, surely? Anything Natasha could have accessed would've been something that Nemo could've similarly gotten his hands on, knowing that character as we do.

Further to that, Steve wouldn't have lied to Tony about it in the Civil War finale. He says very clearly that he knew Howard Stark was killed, but didn't know it was Bucky.

I thought it was obvious that Steve knew. Zola was talking about how Bucky was doing Hydra's dirty work and then mentioned that "accidents happen" as the newspaper of Stark's accident was on screen. I put 2+2 together.

Zola doesn't mention Winter Soldier at all in that scene:
https://youtu.be/wNjLEaTHskQ

He also admits and apologises for keeping it from him in his letter, telling him he thought he was doing so to protect him, but realises he did it to protect himself.

He was talking about the fact that he knew Howard Stark was killed and kept it from Tony, not that he knew Bucky was responsible.

 

[Palette Swap]

Not really. If Barton gets away with it, Bucky does, too.

I mean, how can they proove that this staff wo turned Hawkeye around was magical? Maybe Clint just wanted to kill some SHIELD agents and needed a execuse?

Yeah, the way I took it that they all live in a world where brainwashing happens and are theoretically okay, if uneasy, with good guys unwillingly killing innocents. Stark would be the first to do that. Still, even if you accept as an hypothetical that some good guys can kill innocent people with families, it all flies out the window when it becomes personal. That's what happened to Tony. That revelation, decades of frustration and seeing the footage broke him and he can't be really faulted for it. Even if he never wondered if these redshirts Clint killed had families.

Steve didn't know that Bucky did it, he even says exactly that to Tony in the film! All he had to go on was Armin Zola the AI saying "accidents happen" as a news clipping of Howard Stark's 'car accident' pops up on screen.

Steve only knew, or at least had strong reason to suspect, that Hydra had Howard Stark killed.

Yeah, no, there are several lines of dialogue there.
At first, Steve says he didn't know that Bucky did it, but immediately after that, Tony presses on and Steve admits he knew it was Bucky. The first line is essentially a weak lie to soften the blow, but Steve being Steve, he doesn't really manage that.
Steve reiterates he knew in his letter to Tony at the end.

 

[Spinx]

Time is a flat circle.

 

[Henkka]

How did he know? Just an educated guess based on him knowing that Hydra assassinated Stark?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It's ok, even Wanda didn't remember in this movie

Clint also mentions owing her a "debt" when he signs up.

 

[Betty]

How did he know? Just an educated guess based on him knowing that Hydra assassinated Stark?

Probably from the files Widow handed him at the end of Winter Soldier.

 

[razzmahtazz]

If you had payed attention then you had heard in the movie that just a couple of files are open accessible and most of the them are encrypted.

Also, I am pretty sure Hydra is smart enough to not save 100% of their datas on SHIELD servers. Zemo getting hands on the mission report is also a important part of the movie btw. So not everything is out there.

Yes but given that with patience and a little know how Zemo was able to crack some of it, I doubt the governments of the world had that problem.

From the small part of what Zemo unearthed he already knew Bucky was a manchurian candidate.

 

[Henkka]

Probably from the files Widow handed him at the end of Winter Soldier.

Oh, right I forgot about that. They could've spelled it out a little better, but I guess it's neat that they didn't. It rewards people who are really paying attention.

 

[ArtHands]

I'm not excusing anything, I'm just pointing out that there is at least some other precedence for (basically magic) brainwashing/mind control in MCU. Obviously the movie ignores the TV shows.
Clearly the UN however is trying to get to the bottom of the truth though, given that the first thing they do is send in someone to do a psychological evaluation. Obviously Bucky's name requires a long investigation, as well as psychological/medical examination.

Yah. That will give Stark an excuse to be pissed at Bucky if it turns out that he wasn't brainwashed at all.

 

[black070]

That was just info from the S.H.I.E.L.D. leak, right? If the info about Bucky being the one responsible for Howard Stark's death was in there, then Nemo wouldn't have needed to go through the whole elaborate ruse in Civil War, surely? Anything Natasha could have accessed would've been something that Nemo could've similarly gotten his hands on, knowing that character as we do.

Further to that, Steve wouldn't have lied to Tony about it in the Civil War finale. He says very clearly that he knew Howard Stark was killed, but didn't know it was Bucky.


Zola doesn't mention Winter Soldier at all in that scene:
https://youtu.be/wNjLEaTHskQ


[He was talking about the fact that he knew Howard Stark was killed and kept it from Tony, not that he knew Bucky was responsible.

Tony: Did you know ?
Steve: I didn't know it was him.
Tony: Don't bullshit me Rogers, did you know ?
Steve: Yes.

You seem to be dismissing the latter half of the conversation.

 

[Maximo]

shaky cam. especially in the beginning of the movie destroyed all the amazing action scenes for me. You can't concentrate on anything on the screen, camera goes left-right-up-down without the possibility to really see what happens. I understand that it can be used to show how intense a fight is..but SO MUCH. nope.. Luckily it gets better in the last third of the movie.



nope. #teamironman

Yeah this shit needs to stop it was hard to concentrate on anything with split second cuts each few seconds, Marvel is getting worse with them.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Just as a little side-note as to the movie's potential success. My brother and his girlfriend went to go and watch it yesterday but decided not to because people were lined up outside the cinema and the cinema has six cashiers on two sides of the theater and the line isn't a straight line so from personal experience I've never heard o this happening, the theater is massive inside. Film could do well if this is the same up and down the country (UK).