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Will Gwent still be DRM free? That's their thing, right?
It's a F2P game... There will probably be an offline single player mode but the main meat of this game will most likely exist online.
Will Gwent still be DRM free? That's their thing, right?
Gwent is going to have multiple story campaigns that are hours long, with voice acting, choices, and a JRPG style top-down overworld where the fights are represented as the card game.100 devs on Gwent is incredibly concerning.
Focus on cyberpunk.
Gwent is going to have multiple story campaigns that are hours long, with voice acting, choices, and a JRPG style top-down overworld where the fights are represented as the card game.
It was never going to have a small staff
Gwent is going to have multiple story campaigns that are hours long, with voice acting, choices, and a JRPG style top-down overworld where the fights are represented as the card game.
It was never going to have a small staff
Get in habit of using dodge step and roll, especially step.
It's just a pretty tight window, gotta time it just right
100 devs on Gwent is incredibly concerning.
Focus on cyberpunk.
Oh and I just discovered Alternate Movement setting.... who the hell at CDPR thought the original movement was a good idea?!
PLN is their currency right? Polish-Lithuanian nuggets?
US DollarP (o) L (a) N (d)
One big benefit of being based in Poland is a much lower living cost and thus lower wages. Honestly surprised more studios aren't moving to that part of the world.
Or have they not been paying their staff reasonably for that part of the world?
How many devs want to actually live in Poland?
Well deserved.
Witcher 4 please. Im not too keen on cyberpunk shits.
why wouldnt they? what do you find wrong with Poland?
They've had multiple offers from big publishers and have declined all of them. Iwinski made it clear they are very successful and wish to remain independent. Don't think we need to worry about that.
How many devs want to actually live in Poland?
I thought about doing it, but CDPR pays under the industry standard. Sure Poland's cost of living is lower, but I don't want to commit to living there forever, and if the money I save is worth less other places I could find employment, It doesn't make financial sense to do it.
The problem with entering Poland is that there's already two gigantic studios suctioning up a lot of the staff and a wide variety of others that are pretty sizable as well.
They have a more prominent dedicated device game industry than Germany and France at this point.
You don't see a lot of people entering Sweden despite the great industry supply chain for similar reasons.
That and the biggest tax incentive is setting up in Montreal so...
(Greetings to the cousins from Hungary, nice job CDPR!)
The fact that the game connects to GOG Galaxy is a potentially good thing, IMO. If the PS4/XBO/PC versions all connect there's a good chance our card collection will be cross platform like Hearthstone is. So no matter where you play Gwent on current and future platforms, the connection to GOG will ensure you take your collection with you (in theory).
GOG Galaxy as uPlay?
Not sure I understand that part in this thread subject.
Something I have seen people mention few times, but never with actual numbers. Like position one applies for, industry standard for that position (is that "standard" even worldwide thing?) and what CDPR offered. Would be interesting to see. Also makes you wonder what kind pay companies like Remedy offer.
Something I have seen people mention few times, but never with actual numbers. Like position one applies for, industry standard for that position (is that "standard" even worldwide thing?) and what CDPR offered. Would be interesting to see. Also makes you wonder what kind pay companies like Remedy offer.
OK here are some actual numbers. As a senior engine programmer industry standard in the US you would expect to make between $100,000/year and $120,000/year. This can fluctuate based on where you live, like if you're looking in Texas you may get paid less. And some companies will have secondary compensation which could be a significant part of your pay check.
At CDP a senior engine programmer would get paid between 13,000 PLN/month to 17,000 PNL/month. That comes out to between 40k - 50k USD before taxes.
Now within Poland this is a HUGE salary. Like serious ask anyone living there if they want to get paid 17,000 PLN/month and they will fall over themselves and say it's impossible to make that much money in Poland. A typical salary is about 5,000 PLN/month. On a salary of 17k you can live very well within Poland, even in Warszawa which is more expensive than other parts of the country. Just to give you an idea my favorite restaurant there is a little Italian restaurant where everything is super fresh, and they do a great job having an interesting menu and with two people you can order starters, desert, whatever and your bill will likely be under 150 PLN.
The thing is, while everyone will tell you how 17k is a crazy amount of money it's really not. I mean if you live like a Pole and don't leave Poland then yeah it's a ton. But if you want to buy electrons (game consoles, tvs) or video games you quickly see how far your money doesn't go. For a video game it get's priced at $59 USD, this gets converted to 59€ (for some stupid reason), then in Poland that gets translated to about 250 PLN. So you can see something like a new game is almost twice as much as two people going out to a great dinner.
Same thing when you travel. Want to go to Gdansk? No problem, train is cheap, you're in Poland, you live like a king. Want to go to Berlin? All of a sudden you don't have nearly as much money as you would like.
Then there are the issues of having a family. An apartment can be cheap (1,000 zl/month) but a decent one in a nice part of town with a couple rooms is more like 4k zl/month, and that likely won't have AC which you will be missing in the summer! And then there's school. If you want your kids in a Polish school then great, no problem (other than the language and educational differences.) But if you're British and decide to send your kids to the British school then you're going to spend about 25,000 zl per kid per year for school. American and want your kids in the American school? Good luck with that, 30,000 USD!!! per kid per year. Yeah, that school is only for kids whose parent work at the US embassy (free), work for a big US company (company pays) or for really rich Poles that want the status symbol. If you're American working for CDP then you will send your kids to Polish school.
OK, that's a Senior Engine programmer which is going to be one of the highest paid positions outside of a Lead. Something like a standard producer gets paid about 8,000 zl/month. Again this is a "great" salary for Poland but it sucks unless you are a thrifty single person, or are going to stay in Poland and never leave.
As for the other "why would you want to live in Poland" posts. Those are largely ignorant, some people absolutely love living in Warsaw, others find it really difficult and depressing. You can't really fault anyone for wanting or not wanting to live someplace. However remember that CDP is looking to open studios in North America and that's largely because there are a lot of people who would work for them but won't relocate to Poland.
Sorry for the wall of text but hopefully that answers your question.
Will we see more eastern European game studios break through like CD Projekt has?
However remember that CDP is looking to open studios in North America
Gives better picture and context than "lol, now they can afford pay salary to their employees" drive by comments. Naturally there is even more to this than what your post covers, but thank you for wall.
People Can Fly and Remedy comes into mind.
Edit: In future? Time will tell
Will we see more eastern European game studios break through like CD Projekt has?
Throw Techland into that mix too. Remedy is northern though.
Techland and Paradox are close.
Some people would argue against calling Poland Eastern Europe. They'd say it was Central Europe.
So it turns out you CAN make a shit-ton of money by being extremely customer-friendly (and by releasing good games too). I really hope other companies take note...
OK here are some actual numbers. As a senior engine programmer industry standard in the US you would expect to make between $100,000/year and $120,000/year. This can fluctuate based on where you live, like if you're looking in Texas you may get paid less. And some companies will have secondary compensation which could be a significant part of your pay check.
At CDP a senior engine programmer would get paid between 13,000 PLN/month to 17,000 PNL/month. That comes out to between 40k - 50k USD before taxes.
Now within Poland this is a HUGE salary. Like serious ask anyone living there if they want to get paid 17,000 PLN/month and they will fall over themselves and say it's impossible to make that much money in Poland. A typical salary is about 5,000 PLN/month. On a salary of 17k you can live very well within Poland, even in Warszawa which is more expensive than other parts of the country. Just to give you an idea my favorite restaurant there is a little Italian restaurant where everything is super fresh, and they do a great job having an interesting menu and with two people you can order starters, desert, whatever and your bill will likely be under 150 PLN.
The thing is, while everyone will tell you how 17k is a crazy amount of money it's really not. I mean if you live like a Pole and don't leave Poland then yeah it's a ton. But if you want to buy electrons (game consoles, tvs) or video games you quickly see how far your money doesn't go. For a video game it get's priced at $59 USD, this gets converted to 59 (for some stupid reason), then in Poland that gets translated to about 250 PLN. So you can see something like a new game is almost twice as much as two people going out to a great dinner.
Same thing when you travel. Want to go to Gdansk? No problem, train is cheap, you're in Poland, you live like a king. Want to go to Berlin? All of a sudden you don't have nearly as much money as you would like.
Then there are the issues of having a family. An apartment can be cheap (1,000 zl/month) but a decent one in a nice part of town with a couple rooms is more like 4k zl/month, and that likely won't have AC which you will be missing in the summer! And then there's school. If you want your kids in a Polish school then great, no problem (other than the language and educational differences.) But if you're British and decide to send your kids to the British school then you're going to spend about 25,000 zl per kid per year for school. American and want your kids in the American school? Good luck with that, 30,000 USD!!! per kid per year. Yeah, that school is only for kids whose parent work at the US embassy (free), work for a big US company (company pays) or for really rich Poles that want the status symbol. If you're American working for CDP then you will send your kids to Polish school.
OK, that's a Senior Engine programmer which is going to be one of the highest paid positions outside of a Lead. Something like a standard producer gets paid about 8,000 zl/month. Again this is a "great" salary for Poland but it sucks unless you are a thrifty single person, or are going to stay in Poland and never leave.
As for the other "why would you want to live in Poland" posts. Those are largely ignorant, some people absolutely love living in Warsaw, others find it really difficult and depressing. You can't really fault anyone for wanting or not wanting to live someplace. However remember that CDP is looking to open studios in North America and that's largely because there are a lot of people who would work for them but won't relocate to Poland.
Sorry for the wall of text but hopefully that answers your question.
why wouldnt they? what do you find wrong with Poland?
OK here are some actual numbers. As a senior engine programmer industry standard in the US you would expect to make between $100,000/year and $120,000/year. This can fluctuate based on where you live, like if you're looking in Texas you may get paid less. And some companies will have secondary compensation which could be a significant part of your pay check.
At CDP a senior engine programmer would get paid between 13,000 PLN/month to 17,000 PNL/month. That comes out to between 40k - 50k USD before taxes.
Now within Poland this is a HUGE salary. Like serious ask anyone living there if they want to get paid 17,000 PLN/month and they will fall over themselves and say it's impossible to make that much money in Poland. A typical salary is about 5,000 PLN/month. On a salary of 17k you can live very well within Poland, even in Warszawa which is more expensive than other parts of the country. Just to give you an idea my favorite restaurant there is a little Italian restaurant where everything is super fresh, and they do a great job having an interesting menu and with two people you can order starters, desert, whatever and your bill will likely be under 150 PLN.
The thing is, while everyone will tell you how 17k is a crazy amount of money it's really not. I mean if you live like a Pole and don't leave Poland then yeah it's a ton. But if you want to buy electrons (game consoles, tvs) or video games you quickly see how far your money doesn't go. For a video game it get's priced at $59 USD, this gets converted to 59 (for some stupid reason), then in Poland that gets translated to about 250 PLN. So you can see something like a new game is almost twice as much as two people going out to a great dinner.
Same thing when you travel. Want to go to Gdansk? No problem, train is cheap, you're in Poland, you live like a king. Want to go to Berlin? All of a sudden you don't have nearly as much money as you would like.
Then there are the issues of having a family. An apartment can be cheap (1,000 zl/month) but a decent one in a nice part of town with a couple rooms is more like 4k zl/month, and that likely won't have AC which you will be missing in the summer! And then there's school. If you want your kids in a Polish school then great, no problem (other than the language and educational differences.) But if you're British and decide to send your kids to the British school then you're going to spend about 25,000 zl per kid per year for school. American and want your kids in the American school? Good luck with that, 30,000 USD!!! per kid per year. Yeah, that school is only for kids whose parent work at the US embassy (free), work for a big US company (company pays) or for really rich Poles that want the status symbol. If you're American working for CDP then you will send your kids to Polish school.
OK, that's a Senior Engine programmer which is going to be one of the highest paid positions outside of a Lead. Something like a standard producer gets paid about 8,000 zl/month. Again this is a "great" salary for Poland but it sucks unless you are a thrifty single person, or are going to stay in Poland and never leave.
As for the other "why would you want to live in Poland" posts. Those are largely ignorant, some people absolutely love living in Warsaw, others find it really difficult and depressing. You can't really fault anyone for wanting or not wanting to live someplace. However remember that CDP is looking to open studios in North America and that's largely because there are a lot of people who would work for them but won't relocate to Poland.
Sorry for the wall of text but hopefully that answers your question.
They didn't have to miss it just delay playing them. If people didn't subscribe to those clients time 1-2 years and everyone would have eventually gone back to Steam.
This isn't a Polish issue. It's a European one. European studios don't pay North American wages.
GOG Galaxy as uPlay?
Not sure I understand that part in this thread subject.
For people asking about Gwent, there are lots of matches and information in this YT channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxZnSkDHvtVhwzcJU5DEjNA
Sweden is Eastern Europe now? Technically, Poland isn't even Eastern Europe.Techland and Paradox are close.
Gwent will be on Steam after the beta period
FYI, this is not how the game is going to be. CD Projekt RED realized that Gwent as it exists in The Witcher 3 is completely broken from a competitive perspective, so they changed a ton of rules for the game