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Yeah really. I was a manager in large retailer in the US and between black friday and christmas 80-hour work weeks were not uncommon.Crazy how much attention crunch gets in the video games industry like it's unique or something
Yeah really. I was a manager in large retailer in the US and between black friday and christmas 80-hour work weeks were not uncommon.Crazy how much attention crunch gets in the video games industry like it's unique or something
You're full of shit but if this were true you're getting fucked over hard. A lot of people here have been conditioned by their boss masters really well it seems.I work 7 days a week as a 911 operator most weeks with everyone getting quarantined. 12 hours a day for the next week as well. I still get my 1.5 hours in the gym on top of that. They'll be ok.
You're full of shit but if this were true you're getting fucked over hard.
And this is where EU vs US clash. US thinks working themselves to death is highly respectable in the EU they will look at you if you are straight up mental ill.
The EU is pretty vast. What you say applies only to a select few countries.
Nah, just stop.
This whole strawman of "prove intent to deceive" basically ask someone to be a fucking mind reader to argue if someone is lying or something.
Omitting known information that is relevant to the consumers purchase is lying.
CD Projekt tackles The Witcher 3 downgrade issue head on
While open world role-playing game The Witcher 3 has been met with critical acclaim, including receiving an Essential a…www.eurogamer.net
yet claimed this.
CDPR: "No Graphics Downgrade In The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Optimizing To Get Best Performance As Possible" | Gamepur
CD Projekt Red has clarified that there won't be any graphics/visuals downgrade in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt PC, PS4 and Xbox One. They are optimizing thewww.gamepur.com
So I find it a bit odd that they day after the fucking game comes out and they took people's money, oh NOW they can confirm a downgrade? Oh so...not a single day prior to that they could do that, but only after they took people's money they could officially tell you this? Never before huh?
Well their intent wasn't to help consumers by knowing about a downgrade yet saying nothing. You telling me on their own game during development before release they had no clue the state of the game, yet magically remember its been downgraded after they took your money? Oh...sooooo you HAVE to know 100% that they did it to deceive ie mind read in order for it to really be lying? Thats a lot of hoops to jump thru bud.
Shit, I own Witcher 3 day 1, I own the whole series, have Cyberpunk 2077 pre-ordered and have for years btw, but I won't pretend omitting such information to fans is not a lie.
I have a hard time understanding how not confirming the actual state of your game, until after to you took fans money is not a lie as who the fuck else would know the current state of this game before release besides the actual developers themselves? So I think many might have to concede to this shit. They are not perfect, they are not honest and they have a history of saying one thing and doing another. Its why I even told people look out for those removed features and what do you know....here is a list of removed and cut content.... I don't hate the developer, but I must be honest with what I see from the developer and I feel many gamers allow their like of the developer to cloud their judgment.
I mean shit, I'm not a mind reader, I'm not a fortune teller,
I can't see the future, I'm not a insider etc, yet clearly I called out they'd have removed, cut content etc. Many of you don't see it cause you don't want to,
That guy that works 12 hours a day, 7 days straight up works 2 entire work weeks and a bit of over time as its 84 hours of work time.Why not hire a second guy?
This is so fucking mind numbing people advocating that crunch doesn't work by pointing out that assembly line workers had higher productivity when under worked.
That's a completely different thing. Game development is highly collaborative and intertwined. As much as they've tried to make it less so the end where everything has to come together it's still effective and the more complex your game like a system heavy game it's practically unavoidable.
Look when you were in school you had group projects you diligently meet with your group every week make slow steady progress then suddenly it's due tomorrow and somehow your group pulls off 60% of the remaining effort the night before. Humans are gonna human we procrastinate, we are unmotivated but we work hard when you're a part of a collective that also shares the pain and that shot clock is a strong motivator.
Yeah. Statistics made by Soviet Union. Remember there was no famine in Ukraine and Chernobyl was small accident, reactor core totally not melted. That's imperial lie.
Capitalism is a pile of shit
Reading pages 1 and 6, this thread seems to have one of three response types:
“This is bullshit”
“I hope they’re paid well”
“My life is worse than theirs”
For the latter, I don’t get the lack of self respect. Do you not want to go and see your family or friends?
Enjoy the limited life you have while you’re still young and healthy?
There’s a lot of “I had it worse” like that makes it any better. It just means you normalised sacrificing the actual life part of life. Congrats.
Don’t knock people for wanting to spend more time doing things they enjoy.
Having said that, if there’s some sort of give and take to the matter I can see it not being such a bad deal. Like if they get that crunch time back as part of an extra long break after release. It’s like a larger scale version of 4x10hr working days instead of 5x8hr, because the former gives you a 3 day weekend.
This is unacceptable. I prefer the game to be delayed.
Article is behind a paywall? In any case, did Schreier also mention/talk about EU-working rights? That you're usually not allowed to work more than 48 hours a week with a mandatory day off, etc. (unless the employee specifically consents to worse conditions)? Or did he just write shit to fit his narrative like he always does?
That's a completely different thing. Game development is highly collaborative and intertwined. As much as they've tried to make it less so the end where everything has to come together it's still effective and the more complex your game like a system heavy game it's practically unavoidable.
From the studio head Adam Badowski, according to the article
“Starting today, the entire (development) studio is in overdrive,” Badowski wrote, elaborating that this meant “your typical amount of work and one day of the weekend.” The extra work would be paid, as required by Polish labor laws. Many other video game studios don’t pay for overtime.“I take it upon myself to receive the full backlash for the decision,” he wrote. “I know this is in direct opposition to what we’ve said about crunch. It’s also in direct opposition to what I personally grew to believe a while back -- that crunch should never be the answer. But we’ve extended all other possible means of navigating the situation.”
Not acceptable. No human should have to work more than 35 hours a week
U know what happens when u sit at your job at friday and everybody is at home while u sit there alone working still because u don't got your work done yet and want to pull those overnighters u talk about?
Boss or HR see's u working results in:
US:
Boss:
Good job son, i am proud on you. Can u do this and this also and make me even more proud and maybe after working yourself for 4 years completely alien from your family i will give u a raise or a promotion or will not fire you as first person and we will make u employee of the month so all the other people can start doing the same for me.
Fak yea free labor !!!
worker: fuck ya, boss likes me !!!.
WEU
Boss: Hey, should u not be going home like the others?, i see u sit there for a few times now alone and i wonder what's up.
Worker: No boss i still got lots of work to do and have to finish this up so we won't get a delay.
Boss: why is that, is the job to hard for you alone or is it simple to difficult for your position to handle? U know what, go home and next week we will talk about your position and how we can improve things
Worker: oh shit, i probably gonna get fired.
HR: hey i heard u overworked last week for a few hours and the weeks before it which is fine, when are u taking those hours off exactly? make sure to plan them in before the end of the year or u get sacked bye bye.
Yeah but it's not what you'd encounter when Naughty Dog (for example) crunches, which Schreier got off on to explain and claim how everything is fucked, etc. Dude writes shit to fit his narrative and then sells that as content for his books.48 / 6 is alittle more than 8hours a day...
I work six days a week and nobody give's a toss
There is difference between overtime and crunch. Working 6 days for 8 hours a day for month or two during 5 year long project is not crunch. It's not great situation, but it's not crunch.Call it crunch - everyone loses their minds
Call it overtime - everyone does that.
Loads of projects across many industries require overtime at the end of a project to get it to ship on time. It's a normal part of life.
I do not understand those who say that they work for 6-7 days and underestimate these people. You got into that job knowing your hours and conditions, the situation here is different. CDPR even promised that there would be no crunch, and i don't think that these people signed a contract about accepting crunch. CDPR knows how many workers they have and they should make a schedule according to that.
If you have problems, you should talk too. Don't supress other people.
There is difference between overtime and crunch. Working 6 days for 8 hours a day for month or two during 5 year long project is not crunch. It's not great situation, but it's not crunch.
There are other companies where people work 60, sometimes even 100 hours a week for months. There are games where people were working for 60hours for half a year sometimes even more. L.A. Noire was made with years of really heavy crunch from team. How is that even comparable?
Hahaha no. Capitalism is the root cause of pretty much every world wide problem from poverty and malnutrition to global warming and the absolute raping of the environment, racism and classism is entirely capitalist based in most of the world. Innovation has been stifled greatly by capitalism. Kill the rich.On the contrary. It's the best system mankind has ever devised. It has produced the freest, wealthiest societies ever known to mankind. People all over the world flee non-capitalist countries and try to get into capitalist countries, not the other way around.
In fact, it is the only moral system because it's the only system based on voluntary win-win transactions. It is precisely when it fails to live up to that core intrinsic principle that it fails.
If they werent getting paid then id get the uproar but this is a single day a week for two months to make your product as best as it can be, something they can personally be proud of. Im betting 90% of them are more than happy to do this.
Hahaha no. Capitalism
is the root cause of pretty much every world wide problem from poverty and malnutrition to global warming and the absolute raping of the environment, racism and classism is entirely capitalist based in most of the world. Innovation has been stifled greatly by capitalism. Kill the rich.
Not acceptable. No human should have to work more than 35 hours a week
I work over 100 some weeks and average 50 to 60 most weeks. I see no problem with it as long as they being paid properly. If they are on salary then I have issues with it.
WOW just WOW. I guess you never had to live under communism.Hahaha no. Capitalism is the root cause of pretty much every world wide problem from poverty and malnutrition to global warming and the absolute raping of the environment, racism and classism is entirely capitalist based in most of the world. Innovation has been stifled greatly by capitalism. Kill the rich.
Exactly, there's a point of convergence where you need everyone available. Like a project go live. I'm convinced a lot of people just haven't worked at enterprise level when I see these comments. It's a month - on top of their extra hours they are being asked to work 4 extra days for a day one patch essentially. There's little sympathy when people have worked these hours and been tired in their own lives. It doesn't last forever and it sucks but needs must. Plus some of this will have been partially forced by COVID, delays see
Creative market is competitive enough and is often just about who works the most/hardest to keep their positions/make themselves invaluable. There's a lot of artists on twitter that complain about needing to pick up edges of work that would traditionally be classed as 'developer' work, when they just want to be drawing. If you have a diverse skillset then you're more valuable as well.
Colin weighs in as well
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Guys, I know Jason Tweeted about me. I get it.
He blocked me a while ago, so I have no idea how he saw what I Tweeted, but nonetheless, I get the message! LOL.
If you want agenda-driven journalism totally devoid of the reality of making and selling games, he's your man, not me.
For real, can you imagine being so blessed that you get to make video games for a living?
Not just any game, but a AAA game that will sell millions, that will grace your resumé forever, make you lots of bonus cash, leave a legacy.
And you're asked to work seven extra paid days.
And then a journalist with a blatant axe to grind, who seeks out literally anything that could feed his weird narrative, reports on this like it's relevant.
Do these writers realize that many people who read their work have real problems? That this shit comes off as tone deaf?
Imagine working 10 hours at the supermarket with a fucking surgical mask over your face, you grab your phone to see what's going on, and you read a story about the crisis of how a famous AAA game dev has to work seven extra paid days.
Sorry. I'm just gonna call it like I see it.
Jasons 'callout'
Yeah kill them for the millions murdered to make a buck. They ain't gonna give it up without a fight. If you take issue with any of the facts in my post then please point them out and start a dialogue. War is coming. America the great beacon of capitalism is burning and the cause is late stage capitalism.Hahaha yes.
Kill the rich?
Call for violence?
Kill stupidity, abysmal ignorance and cosmic levels of inanity, all abundantly on display in your pathetic manure-like post.
Isn't one of the problems is they can overwork their staff, then they burn out and quit and they just hire fresh students out of college? We use humans like a renewable resource.