This is probably why MS figured they could change so much for a console, if people are willing to re-purchase our product 5 times during the generation we can sell a console 500+ dollars... This is an insane deal, if it doesn't break.
MS understood that and I think their studio buying spree has already achieved at least one goal. Microsoft's first party output this gen is a question mark, whereas any other gen it was easy to call it for Sony long in advance. They have a lot of capable studios now and with the most powerful hardware and large budgets, there is at least room for doubt that Sony will dominate both in quantity and quality of first party titles.
That make the difference look pretty small.... But you can't argue with the numbers, just how relevant you think they are to the final product compared to its competition.yeah this look like a simpler and more elegant solution tbh.
sony fanboy: can you imagine ND and santa monica with 10+tf after the games they created with a miserable 1.8 machine? 5 times the power yo!
me: yeah but can you imagine ND and santa monica with 12+tf under their asses? 6 times the power bromigo
sony fanboy: BZZZZ CAN'T COMPUTE THIS INFORMATION-BZZZZZ- WE CARE ABOUT GAMES- BZZZZZZ
me:
my point is, if it's ok talking and getting excited for ps5 being 4x ps4 why can't you be even more excited when ps5 is 5x a ps4? it doens't make sense.
I find that way of thinking pretty bad, didn't you lime plague's tale? And aren't those Yacusa games cheap by now?
Not sure how this became a trial of my behaviour on the subscription service that I pay for. Way to miss my point buddy. All I'm saying is that GP has so much value that it will be a factor when people decide which next gen console to get (especially if it comes bundled with the XSX for a few months)
Uhh what? Where did you get this number from?
The problem is that a 20% difference is not that big, so everything will be scalable within reason... Sure TFs are not only used for resolution, but if you cut resolution during heavy action (not much) you free the compute power to calculation these physics interactions, extensive shaders, etc. assuming you needed more than 10TF in the first place.
Of course it will, especially as it relates to Ray Tracing. RT absolutely tanks the raster capability of the GPU even with RT cores, having a surplus of that compute available means Microsoft's system could push more RT at a scene than Sony's and to such a level that it would cripple the PlayStation 5 while still affording the Series X to competently render the scene without consequence.
dude, these console are already "old" compared to max spec pc, even 1 teraflop matter in the long run.
These consoles are using the latest in AMD CPU and GPU architecture with future looking technologies that will help developers create fantastic looking games.
What does this even mean? What is a 9TF GPU? How do you define what a 1TF GPU is?
Or hear me out for a second. Maybe perhaps 10TF was their goal? Just like 12TF was Microsoft goal?
These console are already old compared to new gpu that are gonna come out in a couple of months (before the console) in terms of raw power and probably rtx technology and other minor things (nvidia is usually the leader for this shit on pc)These consoles are using the latest in AMD CPU and GPU architecture with future looking technologies that will help developers create fantastic looking games.
2 Years ago, everyone was expecting 8 - 12TF GCN GPU, 2.6GHz Zen 1 CPU, Regular Hard Drives and 12 - 16GB Ram.
We are getting 10 - 12TF RDNA 2 GPU with Ray Tracing, 3.5 - 3.6 8 cores 16 threads Zen 2 CPU, 800GB -1TB super fast NVME SSD and 16GB GDDR6 Ram.
This is what 1.8TF produced this gen
What does this even mean? What is a 9TF GPU? How do you define what a 1TF GPU is?
Or hear me out for a second. Maybe perhaps 10TF was their goal? Just like 12TF was Microsoft goal?
Remember when Mark Cerny said you'll need about 8TF minimum to ensure native 4K current gen games with no compromise?
Why take Detroit off the list?
The Last of Us 2 and Ghost already look better and Gears 5 being 60 FPS doesn't make it look better, it has better performance
The problem with the world today is that facts no longer matter and I trace it back to the moment a famous president started freely using the term alternative facts. You don't know anything about the performance or quality of at least 2 games on that list. Other than Death Stranding, the other ones are not up to par.
This is a technical thread but I of course respect all opinions, no matter how subjective.
Guerrilla still needs to fix this shit.
Is Detroit on PC?
Devs can use profiles (prioritize CPU or GPU always) to optimize their engine. The frequency is not intended to be their concern.
Gears 5 is on PC I still consider them console exclusives
I used RDNA1 Figures since that's the only RDNA Architecture available right now.
For the sake of that argument, only PS4 exclusives, no?
Who said they overclocked it just to get another Tflop?? Mark Cerny wanted to get to a certain frequency for what they wanted to achieve with the console
not to take the defense of df, but everyone can commit some mistake, loudy and hottie as fuck ps4-ps4pro or ps3 YLOD problem proved that cerny (or sony in general) can make mistake too (and on a muuuuch bigger scale than some youtube nerd blog)
That is a no brainer? Consoles have not been ahead of the curve since the original Xbox was released, you can argue that perhaps Xbox 360 GPU was a gen ahead when it released but it was surpassed within just months. Console remain the same for the whole generation while PC parts keep changing every year. This time the consoles are releasing with techs that are currently not prevalent in games. RTX, VRS, VRR, Machine Learning all these are things that are just starting to be used and the consoles support those out of the gate.
Why is is contrived? Literally everyone uses similar variation of this type of design. Mobile processors from Mediatek, Qualcom, Samsung, Desktop parts from AMD, Nvidia and Intel. Consoles have usually followed a different design but now Sony has gone the other route with their take on it, Contrived? I think not.
The better question is notice how people are hell bent on making the PS5 into a 9TF console when the designers have stated their specifications, why is that? Why are people trying to make the difference between both console bigger than it is?
There have been great performance improvement between same architecture. GCN 1 to GCN 5, Vega 10 and Vega 20. Below is AMD projection for RDNA 1 compared to RDNA 2. 50%
when i said that this console are already old it was not some gatcha moment on my part trying to winning a conversation, i was stating factual stuff, 3000 series from nvidia is gonna shit on these console from a relatively high place even before the console came out, this was the all meaning of the word "old".
I’m just saying he has comments on both sides of this topic.Optimise for a console to get best results (with a baseline easy to reach)?!
I tend to trust Cerny when he says they worked hard on making the console powerful yet very easy, not a puzzle, to program for. He said the same about PS4 (PS5 being even easier to get intended performance out of it, aka his time to triangle metric) and look at how it turned out:
With others, many at Sony included yes, not with Cerny... quite the opposite.
You can believe what you want, but he can say everything he needs to say to developers directly to them.
When his console crushed Microsofts of course did not need to marketing. Now that he is in a dog fight spec wise he is pulling out marketing speak 101 mostly, a couple. Slightly ect. Its easy to when you kicked the other guys ass to not resort to marketing speak. When it is not an ass kicking its 100% marketing speak. If it was not we would have legitimate hard numbers for the variable clocks instead of each side guessing at best and worst case and using it as a fact. The SSD 100% numbers because it way out does Microsoft no coincidence.
This is precisely what I think it is. Mark Cerny gave examples of how the map screen of certain games causes the PS4 fans to speed up more even though there's nothing very graphically intensive scene on screen. And now such situations can be avaoided because of this. Also in the digital foundry deep dive article Mark Cerny talked about another code(hypothetical) which could make the PS4 go in to a thermal shutdown and on PS5 it won't be problematic.
RDNA 1 was not meant to run at 2.2ghz, only 1.8ghz. PS5 APU (which is custom RDNA2) has being designed from the get go for high clocks. In some tests we can even see the performance increase on each steppings (using the same 2ghz clock). This APU has minimum 5 steppings, which is alot for an AMD APU.
