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[Deszaras]

Knights of the Old Republic 2

I wish I could back get the time spent on that piece of shit.

 

[codswallop]

Actually, I kind of liked it.

 

[ghibli99]

Wow, some of these are like WTF? I could see certain aspects of these games being bad or departures from past games that might not have sit well with some folks, but many of them were good in almost all other respects. To say that they shouldn't have been made is a bit much.

That being said, I definitely agree on DMC2. That game was just all sorts of bad and broken.

 

[Spike]

The Fludd-less levels alone make this the best platformer of last gen.

 

[whalleywhat]

Nooo, not Super Mario Sunshine! I loved it. The music, the atmosphere. One of my best memories of a game even.

The what now?

 

[Pride]

Asheron's Call 2 - Turbine was more focused on developing/licensing an MMO engine than developing a great game and the poo-tastic result was Asheron's Call 2. Very unfortunate as a good sequel to Asheron's Call would be awesome!

 

[Spike]

Are you fucking kidding?

If it wasn't created when it was, maybe the series would have progressed differently and gotten much better with each iteration instead of having two spectacular titles, and then fading into oblivion.

I honestly do not believe that the Konami of today has what it takes to create another Suikoden on the same level of this one. For me, the series effectively died with Suikoden II.

 

[Rahxephon91]

It's funny to see people list MGS2 and FFXIII.

If it wasn't created when it was, maybe the series would have progressed differently and gotten much better with each iteration instead of having two spectacular titles, and then fading into oblivion.

I honestly do not believe that the Konami of today has what it takes to create another Suikoden on the same level of this one. For me, the series effectively died with Suikoden II.

Look this thread is about hate. Do you hate Suikoden 2? Would have rather never experienced it? If not, your answer is just being a little too highbrow for this thread.

 

[KAL2006]

If it wasn't created when it was, maybe the series would have progressed differently and gotten much better with each iteration instead of having two spectacular titles, and then fading into oblivion.

I honestly do not believe that the Konami of today has what it takes to create another Suikoden on the same level of this one. For me, the series effectively died with Suikoden II.

I personally loved Suikoden 3 and 5, though they were not as good as 2

 

[Kadey]

I'd thought I'd never say that LO was better than FFXIII. FXIII made me forget gaming for over a year.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I'd thought I'd never say that LO was better than FFXIII. FXIII made me forget gaming for over a year.

And you haven't (as far as this sentence is concerned) so there is no problem.

 

[StuBurns]

LO is better than FFXIII though, and I know I didn't see that coming until I heard the impressions of the Japanese game.

Still, FFXIII isn't a sequel I wish didn't exist because I like FXII even less and only played about three hours of XI, FF has always been hit and miss.

 

[zlatko]

Why has no one mentioned:

It has never been the same since...

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Suikoden 2 is easily the best in the entire fucking series. It stepped up EVERYTHING from #1 in every single fucking way.

Your opinion sucks.

 

[Despera]

If it weren't for this, the result of a lot of dumb design decisions, we'd still be having Dino Crisis games today.

 

[polyh3dron]

GAFs hate for MGS4 is hilarious. The funniest part is it won GOTY 2008 and has The best thread ever made.

People like myself who actually are fond of MGS4 and voted for it to be GOTY are just sick of arguing with the very vocal haters of the game.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

To be honest though, the X series took a steep quality dive after X5. I do hope to get more X games, but only after Capcom's love for the series has returned because it became clear real quick that they started to just become cash-ins.

X5 was Inafune's last game in the series.

X8 was good, but word is Inafune stepped in to block any further X games because it was actively conflicting with his Zero storyline (though he started integrating the further X games in the ZX/A series).

 

[Rahxephon91]

People like myself who actually are fond of MGS4 and voted for it to be GOTY are just sick of arguing with the very vocal haters of the game.

That's funny because the arguments on the MGS4 side always seem to just use the "haters going to hate" defense.

LO is better than FFXIII though, and I know I didn't see that coming until I heard the impressions of the Japanese game.

Still, FFXIII isn't a sequel I wish didn't exist because I like FXII even less and only played about three hours of XI, FF has always been hit and miss.

No.

 

[MalboroRed]

I will pick more than just one because other people in the thread is doing that.

*sight* the two most boring Zelda games ever, back to back too, and because of them now I don't care for the series at all.

I literally fell asleep playing it, the game felt so boring and drab, Link has always been a boring character but the other characters and the game world just weren't very interesting.

 

[StuBurns]

No.

One of them wasn't even ambiguously subjective and still a no? Damn.

FFXII is really bad.

 

[Roto13]

One of them wasn't even ambiguously subjective and still a no? Damn.

FFXII is really bad.

Except for the ways in which it is awesome, which is almost all ways. Best Final Fantasy since VI, by far.

 

[StuBurns]

Except for the ways in which it is awesome, which is almost all ways. Best Final Fantasy since VI, by far.

I think it's the worst in the series personally (outside of XI which I haven't given a fair shake too, and XIV which I literally haven't touched). I know lots of people love it, but I think it's pretty terrible.

 

[Lindbergh]

I remember my life going downhill after playing FFIV: The After Years on Wii.

 

[DR2K]

Besides the horrid online games this is by far the worst mainline FF. What an utter disappointment.

 

[Rahxephon91]

That Final Fantasy VIII logo looks pretty funny.

 

[Kadey]

And you haven't (as far as this sentence is concerned) so there is no problem.

Not only is LO infinitely better but Mystic Quest is as well. FFMQ > FFXIII.

 

[Kalnos]

Outside of the music, Chrono Cross.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I wish I played this magical Lost Odyssey that was good and not a very generic jrpg.

 

[StuBurns]

I wish I played this magical Lost Odyssey that was good and not a very generic jrpg.

I wish I played this magical Final Fantasy XIII that was even on par with a very generic jrpg.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I wish I played this magical Final Fantasy XIII that was even on par with a very generic jrpg.

Here we can trade copies. I have the game you want and you have the game I want. I think you're overseas though so shipping may be costly, that and pal systems confusion? Trust me though, this version of XIII is pretty amazing.

 

[carlo6529]

Ever since this ff released, console ff's have never been the same. I am saying this title assuming that if it wasn't released, ff's today would be more akin to ff1-ff9.

 

[Verendus]

http://www.originalsoundversion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ffxiii_logo.jpg aka shite

Besides the horrid online games this is by far the worst mainline FF. What an utter disappointment.

 

[StuBurns]

Here we can trade copies. I have the game you want and you have the game I want. I think your overseas though so shipping may be costly, that and pal systems?

Shit good point, we'll have to forever wonder what could have been.

 

[Despera]

I think it's the worst in the series personally (outside of XI which I haven't given a fair shake too, and XIV which I literally haven't touched). I know lots of people love it, but I think it's pretty terrible.

I didn't like XII that much, but I think it's way better than XIII.

 

[shintoki]

Dino Crisis 3, Tanked the series, nothing more to say.
Jak II, probably the best example of a developer putting their head up their ass, listening to market executives about what's popular, and ruining one of the best Platformers of last gen.

On FFX, I can't agree with it ruining the franchise nor any of the PS2 makes. X,X2,and XII all fantastic battle systems. PS1 gen was the lowest point for the series. Both VII and VIII are throwaway entries, while IX being the only true classic(Arguably the best FF since it's jump to PS family)

 

[Kalnos]

I didn't like XII that much, but I think it's way better than XIII.

Had Vann not been added, and Basch remained the main character, it would of been an amazing game.

 

[carlo6529]

[i mg]http://www.originalsoundversion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ffxiii_logo.jpg[/img]

Besides the horrid online games this is by far the worst mainline FF. What an utter disappointment.

Hey, I'll give you FFXIV, though it's not so much horrid as it is released unfinished, but ffXI back in the day was a good mmo.

 

[Despera]

Had Vann not been added, and Basche remained the main character, it would of been an amazing game.

You know what, that's absolutely fucking true.

Ever since this ff released, console ff's have never been the same. I am saying this title assuming that if it wasn't released, ff's today would be more akin to ff1-ff9.

Yo! Leave the amazing game that is X out of this. It's the merger between Square and Enix that ruined everything... So blame that.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Had Vann not been added, and Basch remained the main character, it would of been an amazing game.

I don't think the change of main characters would fix the fact the story falls apart which is'nt Vanns fault or the gameplay in which the leveling system might as well not be there.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Had Vann not been added, and Basch remained the main character, it would of been an amazing game.

Huh? Halfway through the game the developers completely forget there are characters at all.

 

[Igor Antunov]

 

[Error Macro]

Nooo, not Super Mario Sunshine! I loved it. The music, the atmosphere. One of my best memories of a game even.

The what now?

 

[Rahxephon91]

I wouldn't even choose Metal Gear Solid 4, because it still has some really good bits that make the game worthwhile even with all the massive amounts of stupid that accompany those bits.

I think MGS4 is a very valid choice. It's good bits(few in my opinion) are overshadowed by everything else.

-MGS3 was in the jungle and that served as an awesome sneaking environment. A battlefield, well that is a very exciting idea and MGS4 blows it. So while the first two chapters are cool they also just remind me of what could have been and how much the game waste it's potential. And lets not even talk about the non existent faction mechanic.

-Gameplay is cool yeah and Sneaking is fun, but the bosses are beyond terrible and the parts that add variety to the game are pretty shitty. The bike scene has no tension at all, making it feel very pointless.

-Story, well the argument that MGS is crazy already is a very lame argument. We are all already aware of this fact, but that dosen't excuse how bad this is. Character assassination for one thing are not excusable and no Raiden doing flips and stuff does not make him cool. He is more "emo" in this game then in 2. The attempts to answer the questions are very lazy and aren't actually crazy. Look, I was already on board with the arm thing and MGS3 even makes sense of it and it works in the MGS universe. The twist regarding it in 4 is terrible and reeks of an attempt to force the same feeling you get from the Boss in 3. It's lame and even more stupid then possible.

 

[carlo6529]

Yo! Leave the amazing game that is X out of this. It's the merger between Square and Enix that ruined everything... So blame that.

I'm sorry Despera, I can't do that.

 

[Diomedeskun]

Unmaking Alundra 2 or Suikoden Tierkreis would make this a better world.

 

[Gully State]

Gotta go with Bioshock 2. I'm playing through it right now and it just feels like so uninspired. Whereas the first one instilled a sense of discovery, this one just feels like a linear corridor shooter. Also, the tapes in Bioshock 2 this time around are far too frequent and really just aren't very interesting.

 

[revolverjgw]

Get those grotesque creatures out of there and that's a nice shot

 

[Error Macro]

Get those grotesque creatures out of there and that's a nice shot

Close enough?

It also helps to have this playing in the background.

 

[AAK]

Yeah, I'll go with Tekken 4

It wasn't that bad a game, but it was such a step in the wrong direction. And as a result, after the insane investment so many arcade owners put into it going from the success of Tekken Tag Tournament, it had a very poor revenue return crippling the vast majority of arcades dedicated to fighting games across North America.

Hence I personally believe Tekken 4 kick-started the downfall of arcades... BUT it wasn't solely responsible, just a major catalyst for the inevitable.

 

[whalleywhat]

*shrugs* Not for me. Game looks like someone vomited a Pina Colada all over everything.

 

[.JayZii]

I could have done without Final fantasy XI or XIV being released. Not that they are completely awful or anything (maybe XIV) it's just that all they seemed to do was slow down the series' momentum. I would would like to see their art teams work on a single player RPG though.