thekiddfran
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I am european and I even I know how expensive the american school system is.
come on man
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Chris Pranger, Out-Spoken Nintendo Treehouse Localizer, was Fired
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I am european and I even I know how expensive the american school system is.
come on man
Reggie was clearly smack-talking and was out of jest. It's all about context.
BlastProcessing
Member
We don't really know anything about this guy's time at Nintendo. This could be the 100th strike for all we know.
akilshohen
Member
I thought he was an ex-employee to even say that.
GearDraxon
Member
The number of people dissecting his finances / using them to justify their feeling that "he got what he deserved" is just sickening.
If you read that Facebook post and your first thought is "How'd he get so much in debt? Seems like he's bad at a lot of things LOL" it's time to take a step back.
If you read that Facebook post and your first thought is "How'd he get so much in debt? Seems like he's bad at a lot of things LOL" it's time to take a step back.
How does context work
evilromero
Member
I'm afraid that's just the name of the game in corporate culture. What he discussed would have needed approval through marketing (and even then it's not his role and they would have said no). Unfortunately for him it is common practice to not talk about what goes on in your company outside of work. Sucks though but seeing as how rabid the fanbase is and how public those kind of comments are, there's no easy way around it.
crooked spin
Member
Listen @ around 15 minute mark. Pretty unflattering anecdote of Sakurai's antics.
that was more of a tongue in cheek response tho..
It's all in the pin, Robert.
chrominance
Member
This seems like a really harsh response. I mean, when Nintendo's guy in charge of indie dev relations said a bunch of stuff on Twitter, their response was to muzzle him, which is still not great but at least understandable. Why not do that instead?
I don't remember how I felt initially about the Adam Orth thing (cue GAF detective finding my post history where I tear Orth a new one) but with the benefit of distance, I don't think that was a great move either for Microsoft. With Nintendo it's a bit different, though--it's better because everyone expects Nintendo to be heavy-handed when it comes to controlling their own employees, but on the other hand it's worse because it's still the wrong approach (in my opinion, anyway).
I don't remember how I felt initially about the Adam Orth thing (cue GAF detective finding my post history where I tear Orth a new one) but with the benefit of distance, I don't think that was a great move either for Microsoft. With Nintendo it's a bit different, though--it's better because everyone expects Nintendo to be heavy-handed when it comes to controlling their own employees, but on the other hand it's worse because it's still the wrong approach (in my opinion, anyway).
This is what did him in. As I said if he had stuck to telling stories regarding his own experiences localizing games, his education, or people he's meet he'd likely be okay. What likely did him in was talking about decision making, budgeting, and customers in any possible negative light. Regarding those topics you are speaking for the company itself and not yourself.
Dan Adleman was a department and project head. He had power and responsibility. This guy is just a team member with no power.
TimeEffect
Member
I feel like Nintendo will get some backlash, no? Seems overly harsh for a guy who seems so dedicated to the job
Edit: Reading the comment directly above mine, seems like he did do himself in. Sucks.
Edit: Reading the comment directly above mine, seems like he did do himself in. Sucks.
meanspartan
Member
I suppose so, you're right.
I dunno, I still think this guy shoulda gotten probation or just simple been warned not to do any more podcasts or interviews til further notice. This seems excessively harsh for relatively tame comments. When someone is clearly this loyal to your company, you should return that loyalty to them by having their back if they fuck up, at least giving them a warning to not do it again before terminating them for a repeated offense.
Nintendo probably has a clear-cut, no tolerance policy about how their employees represent the company outside of their official marketing/publicity channels; don't say anything.
I've browsed Twitter accounts of a few Treehouse employees (really easy to find with just their first name + Treehouse on Google) and the only way they talk about Nintendo in any capacity are in retweets (either press or promo events), things they've bought, or other personal stuff. Nintendo is probably lax about what they do personally as long as it's not speaking against the company.
I've browsed Twitter accounts of a few Treehouse employees (really easy to find with just their first name + Treehouse on Google) and the only way they talk about Nintendo in any capacity are in retweets (either press or promo events), things they've bought, or other personal stuff. Nintendo is probably lax about what they do personally as long as it's not speaking against the company.
If he actually said this then I don't know how anyone can defend him. It's a wonder he wasn't fired sooner (if he actually said that).
balladofwindfishes
Member
Apparently Sakurai was very hands on with the Smash Wii U commercials. He wanted a very specific shot of Samus killing exactly three people with her Final Smash in an 8 player match and it needed to look "natural." The deadline quickly hit without the shot being ready, and they had to do the commercial without the shot and apparently Sakurai said "Fine, this is acceptable, why even bother" apparently in a snappy tone. Also apparently he made Ness bad in Brawl because someone once destroyed him with Ness in Melee, so he got his revenge.
He also acknowledged there were leaks of Smash 4, and Nintendo never does that.
I'm going by this summary on Reddit. I didn't have time to listen to the entire thing.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I feel sorry for him, but you don't go around spreading bad press for the company you work for and expect a slap on the wrist. I hope he lands on his feet but what he did was pretty unprofessional.
What do you think they'll do? Rehire him because of internet complaints? Not how the real world works.
With an English degree? It's gonna be extremely tough. His best shot is being a localizer, but who knows if that's as stable as it was for Nintendo.
Orth was flat out insulting. He got what he deserved.
Interfectum
Member
Seems like a life lesson he and others can learn from. It's hard to imagine what mindset he was in to believe what he was saying was okay with his employer.
Best Nintendo Fan Ever
Banned
The only backlash Nintendo cares about is people not buying their games over some random guy being fired. That ain't going to happen.
Considering their attitudes about localizing/censoring games in the past, I'm sure this is very true.
It really is sad that don't consider 100,000 USD unusual in terms of student debt....
He revealed A LOT of stuff you probably wouldn't have expected him to, and he probably didn't have the authority to do so. Budgeting, marketing, costs, etc. These are the types of things that he shouldn't have talked about, yet did.
He got fired for revealing sensitive information in an unauthorized podcast.
protomouse
Member
Wow, that fucking sucks. I love the Treehouse guys. Unfortunately I think he's probably going to have a hard time finding a similar job now - although I hope he will find one.
US education system.
So people shouldn't be able to get the education they want? The problem is the system, not the person. Education should be free of tuition, and living expenses should be subsidized by tax payers' money. That's how it works around these parts.
Maybe you didn't, but a lot of people did. For this reason, and many others, it's written in many contracts that you specifically can't do what he did. I think finding a way to demote him would have been sufficient, but he likely violated several parts of his contract. Maybe it wasn't his "first strike", who knows? While I wouldn't say it was necessary, it's certainly to be expected.
From what I've heard about Nintendo, and about Konami, the working conditions sound nothing alike. Nintendo apparently hires a lot of contractors and ends up keeping them. You can't really do that if you offer shitty working conditions.
US education system.
So people shouldn't be able to get the education they want? The problem is the system, not the person. Education should be free of tuition, and living expenses should be subsidized by tax payers' money. That's how it works around these parts.
Maybe you didn't, but a lot of people did. For this reason, and many others, it's written in many contracts that you specifically can't do what he did. I think finding a way to demote him would have been sufficient, but he likely violated several parts of his contract. Maybe it wasn't his "first strike", who knows? While I wouldn't say it was necessary, it's certainly to be expected.
From what I've heard about Nintendo, and about Konami, the working conditions sound nothing alike. Nintendo apparently hires a lot of contractors and ends up keeping them. You can't really do that if you offer shitty working conditions.
Alec
Member
I'm not sure from how high up that order came down, but this was blown way out of proportion and I would love to see Reggie step in and give this dude a second chance (unless he was the one who gave the order...kinda doubtful, IMO). You want to make a dedicated employee for life? That's how you do it.
Unless of course he was already on his second chance...or his third chance...etc.
Unless of course he was already on his second chance...or his third chance...etc.
Silver_DNA
Member
He gave an interesting interview but you have to be careful when you are representing more than yourself.
At the very least he can learn from his mistakes and not repeat them. I hope he has luck finding another job.
At the very least he can learn from his mistakes and not repeat them. I hope he has luck finding another job.
I would hazard a guess it's less about what he said, per se, and more that he appeared on a show as a Nintendo employee, speaking as such, without the proper clearance and briefing.
It's an awful shame that it has ended this way though, really is. I feel for the guy and hope he finds a new job quickly.
meanspartan
Member
Precisely. How about instead of creating a situation where an overzealous loyalist goes a bit too far defending your shitty NA maneuvers, you treat NA better in the first place.
entremet
Member
lol
Well, he did leak the Fire Emblem: Awakening announcement... maybe they should fire him for that =P
Yikes. This is the kind of stuff you leak anonymously on 4chan or reddit, not say on a podcast with your name on it. That Ness bit is pretty funny though.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Yeah, you are right... Still I appreciate when stuff like this goes to light even If I know why companies will not like it.
Mixed feelings as I disagree with a lot of stuff said there and Nintendo truly didn't do different than most companies would do (if I feel is harsh just outright fire him).
Shadow_FFVI
Member
This is the guy that was on The Escapist with No Right Answer, right?
I liked him.
I liked him.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Nope. Not even close.
A candid podcast appearance can be incredibly damaging. Especially when you're violating your NDAs.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Such a sad situation all around.
He was incredibly stupid with his comments, both with the sentiments they expressed and him choosing to speak publicly about it in the first place, and I felt a bit angry when I read them (but not enough to post in that thread) but I can't help but feel this is a bit rough. Hope he ends up ok.
He was incredibly stupid with his comments, both with the sentiments they expressed and him choosing to speak publicly about it in the first place, and I felt a bit angry when I read them (but not enough to post in that thread) but I can't help but feel this is a bit rough. Hope he ends up ok.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
and how do we keep enough people stupid than ?
to work for the rich ?
wake up man wake up!