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I spent a little time today checking out progressive Christianity church sermons on youtube.

Most are taking COVID extremely seriously, and one made made the statement that sit-in churches will be a thing of the past. He argued church services, and their community will move to streaming services even after the pandemic is over. Then he made the observation that there won't be a need for thousands of churches online, most will die and a few will absorb the congregations. I hadn't ever thought about churches following the model of big tech like Google and Facebook, or big box stores, but streaming could make it happen. It's a chilling prospect...
 
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I spent a little time today checking out progressive Christianity church sermons on youtube.

Most are taking COVID extremely seriously, and one made made the statement that sit-in churches will be a thing of the past. He argued church services, and their community will move to streaming services even after the pandemic is over. Then he made the observation that there won't be a need for thousands of churches online, most will die and a few will absorb the congregations. I hadn't ever thought about churches following the model of big tech like Google and Facebook, or big box stores, but streaming could make it happen. It's a chilling prospect...
It’s disgusting. Christianity is being secularized and slowly corrupted.
 

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I spent a little time today checking out progressive Christianity church sermons on youtube.

Most are taking COVID extremely seriously, and one made made the statement that sit-in churches will be a thing of the past. He argued church services, and their community will move to streaming services even after the pandemic is over. Then he made the observation that there won't be a need for thousands of churches online, most will die and a few will absorb the congregations. I hadn't ever thought about churches following the model of big tech like Google and Facebook, or big box stores, but streaming could make it happen. It's a chilling prospect...
Aren't most people church-goers primarily for the community? Why would most of them choose to tune into some virtual nonsense when there are probably thousands of higher quality sermons already uploaded to YouTube for on-demand viewing?
 

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Aren't most people church-goers primarily for the community? Why would most of them choose to tune into some virtual nonsense when there are probably thousands of higher quality sermons already uploaded to YouTube for on-demand viewing?
I'm noticing a pattern with these sermons that Christianity is like science, and always changing and evolving (which is why the Bible barely counts as more than moralistic stories) to keep up with the 21st century. I don't know if Christians would move beyond physical churches, but I can definitely believe they (progressives, at least) would continue to want the newest and most up-to-date information, if that makes sense...
 

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I spent a little time today checking out progressive Christianity church sermons on youtube.

Most are taking COVID extremely seriously, and one made made the statement that sit-in churches will be a thing of the past. He argued church services, and their community will move to streaming services even after the pandemic is over. Then he made the observation that there won't be a need for thousands of churches online, most will die and a few will absorb the congregations. I hadn't ever thought about churches following the model of big tech like Google and Facebook, or big box stores, but streaming could make it happen. It's a chilling prospect...
I understand why they would think this. They don't have the mass.
 

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John 18:36 Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my Kingdom is from another place”

Is the Kingdom of God a place in Heaven as well as something embodied within the spirit? Or do you think the Kingdom of God is the way of saying those who follow God’s commandments and therefore love God and live as intended to by and for God?

I once had a very serene thought of what I thought was the Kingdom of God, I was just daydreaming. I pictures loved ones in the sky above the ocean and beach sand, the pier at night and there were lights as if they were all celebrating. I felt pretty emotional at the time. It was just a day dream of mine, during another time when I was trying to meditate on what the Kingdom of God would look like

What does everyone here think of when reading that verse? I would write the KJV but this book of Jesus quotes I have is only in NIV. I never understood this exchange between Pilate and Jesus; and what Jesus was trying to tell him
 

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John 18:36 Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my Kingdom is from another place”

Is the Kingdom of God a place in Heaven as well as something embodied within the spirit? Or do you think the Kingdom of God is the way of saying those who follow God’s commandments and therefore love God and live as intended to by and for God?

I once had a very serene thought of what I thought was the Kingdom of God, I was just daydreaming. I pictures loved ones in the sky above the ocean and beach sand, the pier at night and there were lights as if they were all celebrating. I felt pretty emotional at the time. It was just a day dream of mine, during another time when I was trying to meditate on what the Kingdom of God would look like

What does everyone here think of when reading that verse? I would write the KJV but this book of Jesus quotes I have is only in NIV. I never understood this exchange between Pilate and Jesus; and what Jesus was trying to tell him
It's a complex message. I think the heart of it is that God's Kingdom does not appear because an organization delivers it or because an earthly kingdom enforces it (though that also happened in history), but because it bubbles from the individual's pursuit of Christ's example. The kingdom of God, externally, is the sum total of the individuals acting in obedience and submission to God. This message directs the individual to pursue the kingdom via their own personal obedience, their own personal walk with God instead of trying to "bring about the kingdom" through external, earthly means.
 

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It's a complex message. I think the heart of it is that God's Kingdom does not appear because an organization delivers it or because an earthly kingdom enforces it (though that also happened in history), but because it bubbles from the individual's pursuit of Christ's example. The kingdom of God, externally, is the sum total of the individuals acting in obedience and submission to God. This message directs the individual to pursue the kingdom via their own personal obedience, their own personal walk with God instead of trying to "bring about the kingdom" through external, earthly means.
Thanks dun. I believe what you are saying is true. My walk with God started when I was 19. I believe God is always with us and by our side, and on our side all so to speak in general terms, but I wasn’t able to nor ready to walk alongside Him until I had bought that book of Jesus quotes and began to read more of Jesus’ teachings, and how to live according to God and his commandments for us. I believe the Kingdom of God is within because despite all my troubles and constant pain and failures that I was enduring at the time, my strict desire to follow God and Jesus through His many examples allowed me to feel loved and one with essentially everything in my life. It was a beautiful experience. All I had to do was try with earnest to follow as best I could and be like Jesus, treat others well, live and walk according to the path God set for us and I think something indescribable happens. It’s like everything is made right, life is better, things are better and in all directions you are closer to truth. Very tough for me describe those days in which I was reading the bible and my other book, and trying hard to apply all the new teachings and become perfect as God is perfect

But what about there being many rooms in mansions in Heaven? What was Jesus saying then? I always thought the Kingdom of Heaven was also a place as well?

Here is the verse in the Bible

John 14:2 “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you”

What is this verse teaching?
 

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Thanks dun. I believe what you are saying is true. My walk with God started when I was 19. I believe God is always with us and by our side, and on our side all so to speak in general terms, but I wasn’t able to nor ready to walk alongside Him until I had bought that book of Jesus quotes and began to read more of Jesus’ teachings, and how to live according to God and his commandments for us. I believe the Kingdom of God is within because despite all my troubles and constant pain and failures that I was enduring at the time, my strict desire to follow God and Jesus through His many examples allowed me to feel loved and one with essentially everything in my life. It was a beautiful experience. All I had to do was try with earnest to follow as best I could and be like Jesus, treat others well, live and walk according to the path God set for us and I think something indescribable happens. It’s like everything is made right, life is better, things are better and in all directions you are closer to truth. Very tough for me describe those days in which I was reading the bible and my other book, and trying hard to apply all the new teachings and become perfect as God is perfect

But what about there being many rooms in mansions in Heaven? What was Jesus saying then? I always thought the Kingdom of Heaven was also a place as well?

Here is the verse in the Bible

John 14:2 “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you”

What is this verse teaching?
We do have an eternal home in heaven, after judgment day. You're correct. That is God's kingdom as well, his heavenly kingdom. God's plan with Adam and Eve was halted, but he intends to resume that mode of relationship with us.

God's kingdom on earth does not (necessarily) appear via artifice and organization. The kingdom of God is within you, and it cuts both ways. I can either submit to God and allow his kingdom to spill out from me into the external world, or I can squelch God's word in my life and prevent his kingdom from affecting those around me. In either case, all true earthly expressions of "God's Kingdom" stem from individuals acting in this manner, and God brings them together into a church to multiply the efforts and carry out God's earthly work.
 

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John 18:36 Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my Kingdom is from another place”

Is the Kingdom of God a place in Heaven as well as something embodied within the spirit? Or do you think the Kingdom of God is the way of saying those who follow God’s commandments and therefore love God and live as intended to by and for God?

I once had a very serene thought of what I thought was the Kingdom of God, I was just daydreaming. I pictures loved ones in the sky above the ocean and beach sand, the pier at night and there were lights as if they were all celebrating. I felt pretty emotional at the time. It was just a day dream of mine, during another time when I was trying to meditate on what the Kingdom of God would look like

What does everyone here think of when reading that verse? I would write the KJV but this book of Jesus quotes I have is only in NIV. I never understood this exchange between Pilate and Jesus; and what Jesus was trying to tell him
The kingdom of heaven is central to the parables presented in all of Matthew 13, Christ also explains the Parable of the Tares himself. Likewise, the Parable of the Laborers, the Parable of the Householder, the Parable of the Marriage Feast, and the two parables in Matthew 25 all give insight to what Christ considered the kingdom of heaven to be. Jesus also referred to it as a definite place occurring at a definite time on Earth. Peter also confirms that believers of Christ will enter the everlasting kingdom, which is the traditional Heaven most usually think of.

EDIT: I'd really recommend anyone interested buy the Open Bible, it's really an incredible reference/study Bible with a very neutral commentary. It mainly lets Scripture interpret Scripture, and makes the multitude of cross-reference conenctions super easy to digest.
 
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John 18:36 Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my Kingdom is from another place”

Is the Kingdom of God a place in Heaven as well as something embodied within the spirit? Or do you think the Kingdom of God is the way of saying those who follow God’s commandments and therefore love God and live as intended to by and for God?

I once had a very serene thought of what I thought was the Kingdom of God, I was just daydreaming. I pictures loved ones in the sky above the ocean and beach sand, the pier at night and there were lights as if they were all celebrating. I felt pretty emotional at the time. It was just a day dream of mine, during another time when I was trying to meditate on what the Kingdom of God would look like

What does everyone here think of when reading that verse? I would write the KJV but this book of Jesus quotes I have is only in NIV. I never understood this exchange between Pilate and Jesus; and what Jesus was trying to tell him
John 18:36 KJV + Strong's
36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. -https://biblehub.com/kjvs/john/18.htm

At this time, Jesus Christ's role on earth is as Savior, not as King. Currently, God's kingdom is in heaven. There is a prophesy that has yet to come where God returns during the 2nd advent as King of kings and Lord of lords, but before that many other prophesies will come to pass including the tongues of the Pentecost which God's Elect will have the Holy Spirit spoken through them so everyone around them will hear God's Word in their own language and dialect.

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I'm actually considering going to church this weekend.

It's been a long, long time. I wonder if Catholic mass is even open here. They definitely aren't having us all drink from the same cup. I'll tell you that much
I bet you could find a church that's open. We eventually said fuck it and found a church that doesn't give a rats ass about the lockdown rules. It's been awesome to be back in a worship service. :messenger_heart:
 
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What the Great Debate Tells us About Trump and Biden
The debate itself was so much better than the last one (a low bar). Although I thought the format was biased against Trump (it did not for example deal with the key issues for both sides of the Supreme Court, abortion and the culture wars), in some ways it suited him better. There was actual debate and to some extent both candidates came across better. Biden came across as less senile and more together than previously – Trump more presidential and less bullish. The moderator was excellent, and I think her handling plus the threat of the mute button worked wonders. Even the Sydney Morning Herald had to admit that Trump had learned from the previous debate. So, who won? And what did we learn. Let’s score it by subject.
Breaking Things
“Male groups are formed initially because male peers are so drawn to one another, and away from everyone else...boys who cannot follow any adult authority’s directions, group together, through graffiti writing, skateboarding, or gang fights.”
Dave Rubin: Why I’m no longer an atheist
Dave Rubin is one of the bright lights of the intellectual dark web. He occupies that unique niche inhabited by the likes of Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray, where the sacred and secular rub shoulders. Tired of living in a contentious world of non-overlapping magisteria, these men seek a parley. They aren’t puppets of a particular ideology but a curious audience who just wants to know who is really pulling the strings.
The world needs Jordan Peterson more than ever
One of the strangest and most baffling aspects of the Peterson phenomenon has been the way in which his critics failed to contend with his points and arguments. And not just the specifics, but the fact that anybody with such a following must be onto something. Of course critics primarily on the ideological Left claimed that Peterson was some kind of fringe “alt-right” figure, against the evidence of any and all of his words. It was telling that they remained so incurious about the popularity of his work.
Eat, Pray, Love: How Families Grow Stronger During the Pandemic
Prayer not only invites God into the relationship at times of unhappiness and struggle, but also helps the couple become more intimate and concerned with one another. Regularly sharing one’s thoughts with God in the presence of another is extremely intimate, perhaps rivaled only by physical intimacy. It binds people together. They both require great transparency and trust, enhancing the marital relationship.
Video: A Conversation with Glenn C. Loury
...Albert Mohler talks with one of the most important conservative intellectuals of our day, Glenn C. Loury, on law, race, economics, and human dignity.

Video: A Conversation with James Lindsay
...Albert Mohler talks with scholar and author James Lindsay about critical theory and the cynical transformation of society as examined in Lindsay's new book "Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody."

Video: The Apologetic Inherent in the Gospel Message - Jerry Root
Apologetics comes from a Greek word that simply means “defense”. We see it used in classical literature in Plato’s Apology/Defense in Athens. We see it used in the early Church by Justin Martyr in his Apology I and II as he makes a defense for Christianity before the emperor of Rome. Though it is good to be familiar with the basic types of apologetic appeals it is best of all not to neglect the most profound apologetic inherent in the Gospel itself.

Video: Evil is a Power
Miroslav Volf is a Professor of Theology at Yale University and the author of Exclusion and Embrace, a classic work on conflict. In this RESET interview we discuss the origins and nature of conflict. Where is peace found?
 
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