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I'd need to research this deeper. But the greeks were also around with their ideas of the soul. What is being claimed is that the word Sheol does not mean an afterlife in the way it is used in the old testament. That ancient Jews viewed this life as definitive, and later adopted the idea of the resurrection.

Early Christians and Jesus himself are said to have talked about the destruction of the sinful, not their eternal torture, and the greek words used were not referring to bodies but to persons. It is claimed that even Paul even early on believed he would live to see resurrection and only adopted the view of the soul later in his life. I would have to see his writings and study them to see if that is true or not
I meant more that ~0AD could include ~30AD, and maybe it was Jesus that introduced the idea to the Jews :messenger_winking: I don't know much about Greek influence on the Jews, could be that too. Either way, Jesus supersedes anything in the OT. I've heard good arguments for annihilationism, it could be what happens. I'm suspicious of it though, as I know too many people who would decide they'd rather live how they want now, and bet on ceasing to exist rather than be punished later.

Just want to throw out a few more verses. Definitely look into this for yourself and figure out what is true.



 

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I'd need to research this deeper. But the greeks were also around with their ideas of the soul. What is being claimed is that the word Sheol does not mean an afterlife in the way it is used in the old testament. That ancient Jews viewed this life as definitive, and later adopted the idea of the resurrection.

Early Christians and Jesus himself are said to have talked about the destruction of the sinful, not their eternal torture, and the greek words used were not referring to bodies but to persons. It is claimed that even Paul even early on believed he would live to see resurrection and only adopted the view of the soul later in his life. I would have to see his writings and study them to see if that is true or not

Since Showernota seems to be doing a decent job at replying to your questions, I'm just going to mentioned a passage from the Book of Samuel.

1 Samuel 28

8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.


There clearly has to be a realm that exist outside our reckoning of space and time. Otherwise how could King Saul request the Witch of Endor to summon the deceased Prophet Samuel? In verse 13 where it says "gods", the word used in hebrew is elohim. Which at its most basic definition is a representation of locality. "Elohim" if anything, is a classification of a entity that currently resides in the spirit realm. Some people debate if it was actually Samuel who the witch summoned, but I think looking at what Samuel said, and King Sauls reaction makes it most likely it was the real Prophet Samuel.

In the Torah, there are verses that specifically command the people of Israel to not engage in sorcery, necromancy, familiar spirits, witchs, wizards, or any practitioners of divination. So in order for the God of Israel to command the people of Israel not to commune with the dead, then that must mean there is a realm they reside in after their physical body perishes.
 

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I meant more that ~0AD could include ~30AD, and maybe it was Jesus that introduced the idea to the Jews :messenger_winking: I don't know much about Greek influence on the Jews, could be that too. Either way, Jesus supersedes anything in the OT. I've heard good arguments for annihilationism, it could be what happens. I'm suspicious of it though, as I know too many people who would decide they'd rather live how they want now, and bet on ceasing to exist rather than be punished later.

Just want to throw out a few more verses. Definitely look into this for yourself and figure out what is true.
Will have to look into that, but what I think I read is that the word translated as soul is breath as in breathing.
So in order for the God of Israel to command the people of Israel not to commune with the dead, then that must mean there is a realm they reside in after their physical body perishes.
Or we could assume necromancy can resurrect the dead temporarily. Again I don't know if we can take those who claim to have studied Jewish history and Hebrew at their word. But what some are saying is that the Jews did not belief in an afterlife and this was evident from their writings and from the hebrew words used in most of the bible.
 

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I think the Talmud would be the one of the main resources on what early Jewish rabbis believed, and I'll say some of it is insane. I really can't paste any of it here, as it is very NSFW, but I don't think many people would reach these conclusions from reading the Torah. Section 19 and beyond is very not good.


Section 5 here says that Adam had intercourse with the animals before Eve was made

And a rabbi debates God and wins in this one
 
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I think the Talmud would be the one of the main resources on what early Jewish rabbis believed, and I'll say some of it is insane. I really can't paste any of it here, as it is very NSFW, but I don't think many people would reach these conclusions from reading the Torah. Section 19 and beyond is very not good.


Section 5 here says that Adam had intercourse with the animals before Eve was made

And a rabbi debates God and wins in this one
Talmud was written hundreds of years after Christ.
 

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Talmud was written hundreds of years after Christ.
The Talmud is the repository of the Oral Torah, allegedly given to 70 elders of Israel at Mt Sinai while Moses was receiving the 10 Commandments. It was passed down until the destruction of the 2nd temple, and finally written down.
 

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Proving the deity of Jesus in the first 3 verses of Mark.

Mark 1: 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
A reference to Malachi 3:1
Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
Objection: But LORD in Hebrew doesn't always refer to YHVH. - Well, who does the temple belong to?


Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
A reference to Isaiah 40:3
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
In Hebrew, this verse refers to the LORD/Yahweh and God/Elohiym.

Praise Jesus!


Also, this is a good proverb for today.
 
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Psalm 73
1 Truly God is good to Israel,
To such as are pure in heart.
2 But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled;
My steps had nearly slipped.
3 For I was envious of the boastful,
When I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

4 For there are no pangs in their death,
But their strength is firm.
5 They are not in trouble as other men,
Nor are they plagued like other men.
6 Therefore pride serves as their necklace;
Violence covers them like a garment.
7 Their eyes bulge with abundance;
They have more than heart could wish.
8 They scoff and speak wickedly concerning oppression;
They speak loftily.
9 They set their mouth against the heavens,
And their tongue walks through the earth.

10 Therefore his people return here,
And waters of a full cup are drained by them.
11 And they say, “How does God know?
And is there knowledge in the Most High?”
12 Behold, these are the ungodly,
Who are always at ease;
They increase in riches.
13 Surely I have cleansed my heart in vain,
And washed my hands in innocence.
14 For all day long I have been plagued,
And chastened every morning.

15 If I had said, “I will speak thus,”
Behold, I would have been untrue to the generation of Your children.
16 When I thought how to understand this,
It was too painful for me—
17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God;
Then I understood their end.

18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 Oh, how they are brought to desolation, as in a moment!
They are utterly consumed with terrors.
20 As a dream when one awakes,
So, Lord, when You awake,
You shall despise their image.

21 Thus my heart was grieved,
And I was vexed in my mind.
22 I was so foolish and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.
23 Nevertheless I am continually with You;
You hold me by my right hand.
24 You will guide me with Your counsel,
And afterward receive me to glory.

25 Whom have I in heaven but You?
And there is none upon earth that I desire besides You.
26 My flesh and my heart fail;
But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

27 For indeed, those who are far from You shall perish;
You have destroyed all those who desert You for harlotry.
28 But it is good for me to draw near to God;
I have put my trust in the Lord God,
That I may declare all Your works.
 
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Take care all. I learned a lot from you guys even though we don't all see eye to eye on ecclesiology

bolivar#9579 on Discord if anyone wants to keep in touch.

Yeah, same. I'll continue to lurk from time to time but I am taking my time off just like in the 2016. Au revoir!

Not like NeoGAF is a beacon of deep Christian thought and discussion. But its always good to share wisdom and encouragement where ever you find a fellow bother or sister in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Numbers Chapter 6:24-26
The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.


Until next time. Fare thee well.
 

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On the whole the English intelligentsia have opposed Hitler, but only at the price of accepting Stalin. Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side. Indeed the statement that we haven’t a Fascist movement in England largely means that the young, at this moment, look for their fuhrer elsewhere. One can’t be sure that that won’t change, nor can one be sure that the common people won’t think ten years hence as the intellectuals do now. I hope they won’t, I even trust they won’t, but if so it will be at the cost of a struggle. If one simply proclaims that all is for the best and doesn’t point to the sinister symptoms, one is merely helping to bring totalitarianism nearer.
The Moral Necessity of Accountability for Civil Disobedience
A mayor who condones violence on his or her watch is essentially saying: “I don’t know history well enough to understand that there are peaceful ways to fix the underlying problems that led to the pain, frustration, and anger of you, my constituents. If I did, I would lay down the privilege of my office to bleed with you on the streets or rot with you in the jails, and at every step of the way we would carry the dignity of those who taught us. So instead I’m gonna sanction some of you to just break shit and hurt people instead. And I’ll say your violence is noble given the weight of your injustice, so I can hide behind your behavior in a way that won’t cost me votes.”