You realize Trump is bad for the fucking world eh?!
But yes just laugh ha ha all those minorities are going to be oppressed ha ha so awesome.
We've been oppressed all our lives, with or without Trump.
You realize Trump is bad for the fucking world eh?!
But yes just laugh ha ha all those minorities are going to be oppressed ha ha so awesome.
I'll take your answer as a noYou learned nothing about Soviet Union, didn't you?.
Hopefully not only that, hopefully this will reach people who in their mind still think America is the saviour and almighty, that America only cares for justice and right in the world, and for the rest of us, who are not Americans, well we shouldn't care and just watch from afar and laugh.
I'll take your answer as a no
The threshold is probably far, far higher.
Again, the 1953 Iran coup was not included in the list. Other electoral meddling in Iran was. See a page or two back where I and others state this.One of the countries on the list is Iran where, in 1953, the CIA toppled Iran's democratically elected government, because the leader Mohammad Mosaddegh wanted to stop having the west jack their oil.
"Meddling" is a rather gentler term than what I'd use to describe a coup d'état .
We've been oppressed all our lives, with or without Trump.
You might want to pick a different metaphor here...
because mathematically, it totally doesnt.
Oh, I see. It's a nice list.Again, the 1953 Iran coup was not included in the list. Other electoral meddling in Iran was. See a page or two back where I and others state this.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The illegal wars the US have fought in the last 15 years in the middle east are getting more revelant every day and it's consequences are by far the most important factors in global politics. They will define this century.Our past actions, while questionable and even reprehensible, have no bearing on the current crisis
America, as the rest of the world, should strife for justice and right. Russia meddling in the US-elections, just like any other country meddling with another country's democracy is not justice or right.
Same.
Umm ok. Minorities in America are going to suffer more with Trump than without
Again it's not funny and it's not good for the world but ok just laugh I guess.
Didnt hear a lot of this talk of Justice and Righteousness till Russia did it to you.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The illegal wars the US have fought in the last 15 years in the middle east are getting more revelant every day and it's consequences are by far the most important factors in global politics. They will define this century.
It's very good CNN brought the crimes and intentions of the biggest global player into the light.
Again, this is only about nonviolent election interference. Stuff like the DRC isn't counted.
There are a ton of things that America did that were not good for the world, but yet you tried your best to hide it and convince the world that your intentions were good, why now it is important when it happened to you? And to have the audacity to compare a bad president to the atrocities America enabled is laughable by itself.
There are a ton of things that America did that were not good for the world, but yet you tried your best to hide it and convince the world that your intentions were good, why now it is important when it happened to you? And to have the audacity to compare a bad president to the atrocities America enabled is laughable by itself.
Are you seriously asking about the connection between geopolitics, where Russia is one of very few rivals of the US, and Russias interference in the US election. Did you think Putin did this just for laughs?Please do explain the connection between the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Russian interference in the US election. I'm pretty interested, honest.
Again, the 1953 Iran coup was not included in the list. Other electoral meddling in Iran was. See a page or two back where I and others state this.
Assassinations are not what was being counted. This involved nonviolent interventions only.
A partisan electoral intervention is defined in PEIG as a situation in which one or more sovereign countries intentionally undertakes specific actions to influence an upcoming elec- tion in another sovereign country in an overt or covert manner which they believe will favor or hurt one of the sides contesting that election and which incurs, or may incur, significant costs to the intervener(s) or the intervened country. This definition was chosen in order to capture, as closely as possible, the phenomenon commonly referred to when partisan elec- toral interventions are publicly discussed, proposed and/or denounced.
In order to be coded as an electoral intervention, the acts done by the intervener7 required an affirmative answer to two questions: (1) was the act intentionally done in order to help or hurt one of the sides contesting the election for the executive; and (2) did the act clearly carry significant costs that were either (a) immediate (cost of subsidizing the preferred candidates campaign/a covert intervention) and/or (b) longer-term/potential (loss of prestige/credibility if a public intervention fails and/or long-term damage to the relations once act is done or exposed).8 Each case found to fit to these criteria was then coded as to other relevant aspects (covert/overt,9 intervener, etc.).
Didnt hear a lot of this talk of Justice and Righteousness till Russia did it to you.
I'm Canadian bro
I protested against Bush when he'd come here. I protested against the war on Iraq
I'm just also not going to get giddy when Putin and Russia are helping White Nationalists take power.
One of the countries on the list is Iran where, in 1953, the CIA toppled Iran's democratically elected government, because the leader Mohammad Mosaddegh wanted to stop having the west jack their oil.
"Meddling" is a rather gentler term than what I'd use to describe a coup d'état .
Fascinating to watch the myth of the USA as "the good guys" unravel like this.
I mean, the rest of the world already knew, but it's really interesting to see
Americans themselves realise this (Thanks Trump).
We've orchestrated a few genocides here and there, but what's a little meddling between nation states?
This strikes me as deliberately using the loosest possible definition of meddling ever in order to get as big a list as possible.
Yeah, this is why I'm not super pissed at Russia. If they have the means and want to piss us off, that's their perogative. But don't think there won't be retaliation.
The real issue is the treasonous Americans.
You don't even need a book for many of those. Many are detailed clearly in declassified CIA documents available on US government websites.It is known. They've been doing it for decades, especially in South America. Anyone who doesn't believe this is kidding themselves and needs to read a book or two.
Yeah this is common knowledge to anyone with any interest in international affairs. I always find it funny that Russia is seen as such a threat when the US has been a far FAR more destabilising force in the world in the last fifteen years.
Yep.Monroe Doctrine in full effect.
It is on the list.I am surpised to not see Italy on the list. I thought there were at least 2 famous examples. But maybe these count as Nato meddling.
Yep.
This is where I agree with libertarians. Way too much foreign meddling. Its not like our country is not in tatterseducation, infrastructure, so on.
This is kind of a non-sense argument at some point. Should we have a list-war between the US, the Soviet Union and Russia? I suppose that the SU and its successor state will win that battle hands-down.
But where would that get us today? Does it make Russia's meddling better or worse? Or should every country start doing the same, because the US and Russia do it? What's the conclusive argument here?
As a black dude in the US, allow me to roll my fucking eyes at this comment. I've got a laundry list of grievances with America but calling it the "ultimate evil" anything is hyperbolic to the point of being comedic.US is honestly pretty much the ultimate evil empire