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COD BO7 debuts on Steam with peak CCU of 87k

yazenov said:
Its all about the growth, and percentage increase or decline for these mega corporations. Its not about being number 1 in the PSN store.

If COD 7 shows significant decline over the last tiles, there will be blood in Activision (Mass layoffs).
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I don't think mass layoffs and knee capping your next entry would be a smart move if (when) this one underperforms.

Its an off year and had a short dev cycle. We've been here before. MW 4 will roll around and do gangbusters yet again. Rinse repeat.

This is nothing more than a 6 reskin and has extra competition this year. Will still sell 10-20 million.
 
I feel like I read this thread after every cod release. Yet Black Ops 6 is the best selling game ever on PS5 according to another thread.
 
clarky said:
I don't think mass layoffs and knee capping your next entry would be a smart move if (when) this one underperforms.

Its an off year and had a short dev cycle. We've been here before. MW 4 will roll around and do gangbusters yet again. Rinse repeat.

This is nothing more than a 6 reskin and has extra competition this year. Will still sell 10-20 million.
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I disagree. The current MS under Satya Nadella is ruthless. They want results and are focus on profitability, and that has been evidently shown with the increase in prices of Gamepass subscriptions, Mass round of layoff at MS this year, and their focus on Multiplatform release strategy.

No way in hell are their jobs safe if COD Black Ops 7 underperform significantly. They will cut the fat of these bloated teams and consolidate the studios to be more focused. If the rumors are true, 2026 will be brutal for the employees at MS with another round of mass layoffs.
 
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yazenov said:
I disagree. The current MS under Satya Nadaella is ruthless. They want results and are focus on profitability, and that has been evidently shown with the increase in prices of Gamepass, Mass round of layoff as Xbox this year, and their focus on Multiplatform release strategy.

No way in hell are their jobs safe in COD Black Ops 7 underperform significantly. They will cut the fat of these bloated teams and consolidate the studios to be more focused. If the rumors are true, 2026 will be brutal for the employees at MS with another round of mass layoffs.
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So your solution to this one underperforming would be to take resources away from the next one? Makes no sense. Maybe if you get 2 or 3 under performing on the bounce. They are not completely retarded. This is an off year COD that's had limited time and effort put into it. To think it would out sell the main Blops or MW entries is silly.

Then again this is Xbox we are talking about so maybe they are that dumb.
 
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clarky said:
So your solution to this one underperforming would be to take resources away from the next one? Makes no sense. Maybe if you get 2 or 3 under performing on the bounce. They are not completely retarded. This is an off year COD that's had limited time and effort put into it. To think it would out sell the main Blops or MW entries is silly.
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You obviously haven't heard of the term trim the fat. Google it.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
I'm not surprised, I saw a trailer for it a week or two ago and thought it looked terrible, reminiscent of whatever the last future call of duty was (infinite warfare?) which I personally did not love.



A friend said he'd been playing it and says the multiplayer is pretty good with Titanfall wall running which has made me install it. I'll have a go over the weekend.

They've removed skill based matchmaking which some people have complained about for a long time, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes down.

It feels like Battlefield this year had the biggest launch in ages, and Arc Raiders is a phenomenon. Anecdotally, My friends list has been full of people who like me bought both and like me, have stopped playing Battlefield and are mainly playing Arc Raiders.

I think annual releases for 20 years (!) is likely to throw up the occasional title that struggles a little more (Vanguard) than others. And this might be that. It could be symptomatic of a series fatigue too though...

This COD doesn't seem to have got the promo previous games have had though, I remember Infinite Warfare had Kevin Spacy in the cast and they got him on Jimmy Fallon to talk about it. In recent years they've put on events like the one a couple of years ago where they got (IIRC) a hundred streamers together to do a multiplayer gameplay reveal, etc. That was promoted as an event in its own right. This year, I have seen an advert on TV and the video I shared in this post and that's it. I don't even know how it's reviewed (edit: about the same as the other Black Ops Titles).
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- The campaign is nonsense, but you unlock a PvE extraction mode on the new BR map for beating it
- Multi is looking like the best in 10 years
- Zombies is as good as BO6 in my opinion

If you can get over the terrible campaign, you'll have fun.
 
It's doing big oxygen numbers on gamepass right? right? Would make sense.

There is no way you can kill something like COD, that would take some serious effort.

I mean it was bigger than HALO..
 
clarky said:
I don't need to google anything. No need to be patronising. If they need to "trim the fat" they would do it regardless of how many copies this game sold.
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So your solution to the problem of consecutive declines is to do what they've always been doing. It makes no sense. That's the definition of insanity.

So whats your proposed solution
 
I don't think anyone is surprised that BO7 is doing worse than BO6, the hype just hasn't been there. But that difference in numbers is brutal, especially if it doesn't get much bigger over this weekend.
 
yazenov said:
So your solution to the problem of consecutive declines is to do what they've always been doing. It makes no sense. That's the definition of insanity.

So whats your proposed solution
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Take a year off and throw everything they have into making a true next gen COD. Like EA have done with Battlefield (regardless of whether you think that effort was successful or not).

That's if you consider this franchise to be in trouble, which I do not. You'd need 3 or 4 entries of declining sales and player numbers for that.

BLOPS 6 and MW 2, the last true mainline games did massive numbers. Like 2019 & CW before that.

Edit: Where are you getting consecutive declines from? I don't think they have released sales figures recently but its the best selling title almost every year.
 
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clarky said:
Take a year off and throw everything they have into making a true next gen COD. Like EA have done with Battlefield (regardless of whether you think that effort was successful or not).

That's if you consider this franchise to be in trouble, which I do not. You'd need 3 or 4 entries of declining sales and player numbers for that.

BLOPS 6 and MW 2, the last true mainline games did massive numbers. Like 2019 & CW before that.

Edit: Where are you getting consecutive declines from? I don't think they have released sales figures recently but its the best selling title almost every year.
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So trimming the fat basically, and consolidating the various studios that are making COD and make it more focused. Glad that we are basically saying the same thing.

With regards to your edit regarding COD sales, we have percentage declines or increase from the European charts and UK charts from from Chris . I don't have time to pull them out so you have to trust me bro on this.
 
yazenov said:
So trimming the fat basically, and consolidating the various studios that are making COD and make it more focused. Glad that we are basically saying the same thing.

With regards to your edit regarding COD sales, we have percentage declines or increase from the European charts and UK charts from from Chris . I don't have time to pull them out so you have to trust me bro on this.
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Not sure how you get "chucking everything you have at it" is "trimming the fat" so no, we are not saying the same thing.
 
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clarky said:
Take a year off and throw everything they have into making a true next gen COD. Like EA have done with Battlefield (regardless of whether you think that effort was successful or not).

That's if you consider this franchise to be in trouble, which I do not. You'd need 3 or 4 entries of declining sales and player numbers for that.

BLOPS 6 and MW 2, the last true mainline games did massive numbers. Like 2019 & CW before that.

Edit: Where are you getting consecutive declines from? I don't think they have released sales figures recently but its the best selling title almost every year.
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Modern Warfare 4 comes out next year and it is supposed to be the first COD to leave last generation behind. The problem COD has is I am not sure what they can do to revolutionize the genre? It seems like a franchise that has already done everything to perfect a formula. At this point, it feels like Fifa or Madden. Each game has variations to distinguish itself, but is it an improvement on past titles? At least with sports games, you feel the need to buy the games yearly because of the roster updates
 
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coachmcguirk91 said:
Modern Warfare 4 comes out next year and it is supposed to be the first COD to leave last generation behind. The problem COD has is I am not sure what they can do to revolutionize the genre? It seems like a franchise that has already done everything to perfect a formula. At this point, it feels like Fifa or Madden. Each game has variations to distinguish itself, but is it an improvement on past titles? At least with sports games, you feel the need to buy the games yearly because of the roster updates
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Yeah fair point. I think a big engine upgrade and some new shiny's would go along way. But you can't deviate from a winning formula.
 
Arc raider and BF6 will eat this game alive. It does not even look like a COD game, it looks like a terminator game or fortnite.
 
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clarky said:
Yeah fair point. I think a big engine upgrade and some new shiny's would go along way. But you can't deviate from a winning formula.
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I agree. I am sure next years COD will sell great because of that. It is just very clear that the trajectory of COD is pointing down. I don't like streamers, but it is very clear their is a turning against the franchise within that community too. The hate BO7 got was relentless. Battlefield 6 and Arc Raiders popping off doesmt help either
 
It's COD. They gonna take 3-5 years and slap something new to last another decade. They can take the losses like during Infinite Warfare.

I soothe my soul to see COD struggle though.
 
I got a mail november 17th about cod being out, I thought it was the beta or something didn't realise it was the full release.

Also got one this night. Funny thing they announce it twice, until you see their numbers.
 
People bring up Battle Net and Game Pass - but were these not factors for the player counts in the previous title?

The decline on Steam is still telling. And even if more people are choosing to rent it now because it's become so bad, that's still a lot of $ down the drain.

It'll still be a top seller this year - but I imagine another 12 months of al this negative commentary and energy surrounding this franchise can't be good.
 
I knew Microsofts marketing was bad because most of the time their games come out and i dont even realize it. But i didnt think it would reach the point where even VOD comes out and i dont know it until after.
 
jm89 said:
They made aim assist changes to appease pc gamers and yet it's looking like it's gonna underperform on pc.

They better start hoping they didn't piss of console players in the process with that change, cause that's who they are gonna rely on for sales.
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Lol you mean Playstation players here.

Only a matter of time until Microsoft bends the knee and pursues a marketing deal for COD again.
yazenov said:
So trimming the fat basically, and consolidating the various studios that are making COD and make it more focused. Glad that we are basically saying the same thing.

With regards to your edit regarding COD sales, we have percentage declines or increase from the European charts and UK charts from from Chris . I don't have time to pull them out so you have to trust me bro on this.
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clarky said:
Not sure how you get "chucking everything you have at it" is "trimming the fat" so no, we are not saying the same thing.
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They will absolutely "trim the fat", but what's more likely is Activision layoffs will be limited while the larger MS Gaming outfit will be taking the majority of the job losses.

They won't hobble the next COD to make up for missing guidance on the current one, but maybe you don't get an Outer Worlds 3 or a Double Fine game anymore.
 
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Astray said:
They will absolutely "trim the fat", but what's more likely is Activision layoffs will be limited while the larger MS Gaming outfit will be taking the majority of the job losses.

They won't hobble the next COD to make up for missing guidance on the current one, but maybe you don't get an Outer Worlds 3 or a Double Fine game anymore.
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Make no difference to me, most of their output is mediocre at best. If COD underperforming means Ninja Theory are out of a job then so be it.

There's a lot of studio that MS own that are treading water.
 
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I know CoD sells more on consoles, but this is really bad when you think about it.
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LectureMaster said:
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I had planned to play this for a week or so, get the prestige before the sweatlords and retarded skins ruin it. After playing for 30 minutes uninstalled.
Game is ass. 15 years ago this wouldn't even get away with being called a stand alone expansion,, let alone being a numbered sequel.
 
Ive been buying most cods because its a comfort mp shooter for me, but fuck man, this looks so fucking shit i wont bother. Just gonna play cold war and mw multiplayers
 
Darkness_Arises said:
Is this the actual launch or an early access launch? I haven't seen a single ad for this online or offline (on buses, billboards, etc).


It makes no sense to support the older consoles five years into this gen. Most PS4 gamers are likely just using it as a Fortnite/Minecraft machine. It would be make more economic sense to support day and date launch on Switch 2.
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Full release
 
yazenov said:
So your solution to the problem of consecutive declines is to do what they've always been doing. It makes no sense. That's the definition of insanity.

So whats your proposed solution
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Solution to what? The game continues to sell multiple millions of copies.
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And we know black ops 6, in less than a full calendar year, is the best selling game on ps5.

People here need to get real. People saying ghost of yotei is a success with 3 million sales. Sony would happily ditch that series for a sales juggernaut like cod.

There is no solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Until cod starts regularly selling less than 10m 2 years in a row, it won't change.
 
Brakum said:
I knew Microsofts marketing was bad because most of the time their games come out and i dont even realize it. But i didnt think it would reach the point where even VOD comes out and i dont know it until after.
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It's so telling you even forgot the name of the game
 
Seyken said:
I thought it couldn't happen, but... Will we witness Microsoft actually managing to kill Call of Duty eventually? They seem to have the touch of death.
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Microsoft have the uncanny knack of being able to suck the very soul out of anything they get their hands on in my opinion, so it is hard to disagree with what you wrote.

Lost interest in Call of Duty years ago but then I only ever played it for the single player campaign (the original game and its sequel on PC were awesome for the time) and never had any interest in the online modes which seem to be the main reason why most people buy this game every year.

Aren't most people on PC and Xbox just playing this on GamePass anyway? Always expected the sales to drop and it is common knowledge that sales have dropped overall because the game is now on GamePass. It seems like the majority of Call of Duty's sales will ironically be on PS5.
 
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I was watching some clips of the campaign and oh boy, takes me back to when people complained that MW2 2009 was too over the top lol
 
I would buy it if they patch in a updated stakeout map into bo7.

Bo6 was my first cod since forever and that map was perfect for chilll out runs.
 
Microsoft will get the blame but this was always going to happen at some point.

It's fundamentally impossible to be excited about yearly released games.

They dragged this out a bit by rotating sub franchises but the fanbase rejected everything accept black ops and modern warfare.

Now they're stuck rotating black ops and modern warfare and of course fatigue has set in.

No franchise is too "too big to fail" anything can be milked dry.
 
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