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CONFIRMED: Xbox Live Silver Has Free Multi for PC-360 Games Until Fall
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Beer Monkey
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duk said:
Thing is, even with pay service and no wi-fi function out of the box, 360 is still getting over half of their gamers using Live, which is comparable to PS3 and PSN. I'd love to see the service go free but do we really think they are feeling any pressure?
BenjaminBirdie
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Shins said:As if it were? It is! Its what is done. This is how it works!
Language doesn't exist in a vacuum. There isn't one right way to look at or apply it.
Sorry, but you don't turn on Sportscenter and hear someone talking about a point guard raping a basket. Just because a subsection of a minority of a minority thinks its okay to use the word "rape" to describe whatever they feel like, doesn't mean that the word's actual meaning has been fundamentally altered.
Obviously language doesn't exist in a vacuum and in fifty years, a president will probably give an address in which he says the economy is raping the middle class, just as one might say the economy is killing the middle class today.
But fifty years is a long ways away and right now, the reason people use it the way the use it is clearly with a fundamental recognition of the word's actual meaning. When people talk about MS raping the average consumer, they're fully aware that in this day in age, that word means to force someone to have sex against their will. It's why they use it. To try and draw that ridiculous and deeply offensive parallel. Otherwise, why else would it be used?
Everyone likes to dance around this fundamental truth, but if people weren't fully aware of the gravity of the word and the crime it describes, they'd just use another word.
BenjaminBirdie
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Shins said:
No. Of course not. That's why people use it. I doubt they'd say the same thing standing in a modestly populated EB Games. I don't see how the context somehow changes the fundamental "rules" of usage or, more importantly, interpretation. The word only means one thing, fundamentally, and everyone knows it. That's "the joke".
You don't? Context is amazingly important in dictating what will be considered okay usage! If I say I'm going to "murder someone" in an online match, should it not be taken into account where I'm saying that and to what it is I'm referring? Those modifiers can and do have a huge impact on how you interpret and react to what is stated. I certainly don't think anyone in Gears of War really thinks I've just declared that I literally want to take their lives.BenjaminBirdie said:
You can easily argue that using the word "rape" in this context is unseemly and cheapens the physical act of rape. I agree! I don't do it myself! But it is legitimate. You can do it, and there is a precedent in language for it. Its certainly a very inflammatory example.
Micromegas
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The Faceless Master said:
In all honesty, it's not that much extra work.
MWS Natural
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PERMABANHootie said:
GenericPseudonym
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theBishop said:
Don't think for a second Sony made PSN free for the consumers. When they rolled out the PS3 they had no online credibility and a service that was half of what it is now. Sony allows PSN to be free so that they can attract new users, but it sure most cost them.
GenericPseudonym
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theBishop said:
That's more than a tad hypocritical.
GenericPseudonym
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Mrbob said:
Not exactly I think a lot of developers and publishers know that PC gamers can and will get around "pay for" multiplayer, and so are not foolish enough to try. You can't get around Xbox Live.
Peer to peer online play on PSN costs sony nothing.
Like I said its different philosophy. You are trying to make something out of nothing.
It will be interesting to see how much longer MS will be able to charge for Live in its current form. Seems like we are reaching a point where the damn is about to burst. It is already starting with GFW Live going free.
Like I said its different philosophy. You are trying to make something out of nothing.
It will be interesting to see how much longer MS will be able to charge for Live in its current form. Seems like we are reaching a point where the damn is about to burst. It is already starting with GFW Live going free.
GenericPseudonym
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Ten-Song said:
What a great work around!
Ten-Song said:
It is a good idea. I am starting to do the same as well now that 3rd party games are basically the same on both systems.
One of the reasons GFW Live is going free on PC is because Steam is crushing it. As PS3 online gets more popular it will force MS to make a move.
Unfortunately, something like 99% of the Xbox userbase doesn't have that option. Even if they are highly dissatisfied with their Xbox 360, switching to the competition is prohibitively costly for the marginal gain.Ten-Song said:
Basically, there's no competition on the back-end. Once somebody buys a console, they are locked in. At that point, there's basically nothing Microsoft could do that would make them switch to a competitor.
They'll only change if they think it's seriously affecting 360 sales... which is unlikely. It's a back-end fee, far less visible than the sticker price on the box.
Slavik81 said:
Well then, while I'm not into stuff like Home and such, I hope it eventually kicks Microsoft in the balls in terms of prospective new console buyers, seeing a match for match set of features on both systems, but a cost being tied to another one.
Paying for online just seems silly for me, and I would like to hope that Microsoft can't keep it up forever. They seem so damn confused now about what they're really doing with their service. And calling it a "service" has been one of their key slogans to defend it's price tag. Well, I have just as many features on other platforms now, and Steam and PSN don't charge me a dime.
Ten-Song said:
On Steam maybe, but not on PSN.
I can already see the online experience being much better on Live, this Fall when games like NHL 09 come out. Using a Friends of Friends list to get an NHL GAF Clan going, using the 8 player party system to get 6 players to fill up a roster, playing other parties of 6 players...the experience will simply outclass the experience on PSN.
Nick Laslett
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Beer Monkey
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Nick Laslett said:
One survey a few months ago showed 3% of current-gen gamers having more than one the 360/PS3/Wii platforms. I'd say there are more Wii60 owners than PS360 owners, so it might not be that much more than 1%.
Most people IRL look at me when I have two heads when I say I own more than one.
Ten-Song said:
No, the FoF feature lists all of those friends no matter what game they are playing or whether they are online or not. In Home, they HAVE to be there at that specific time and NOT playing a game.
It's not window dressing, it's an awesome way of splitting friends into different lists for different games. Effectively I have hundreds of GAFers across different lists, there's a list for GTA, a list for XBLA, a list for Racing games...whenever I want to play hardcore GAF gamers, I just look them up.
The fact that you didn't see the importance of this feature, tells me that you have to read up more on Live and all that it can do. I don't think you realize the gap between PSN and Live, and how large it is despite the latest updates.
I AM JOHN!
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Wonderful! Silver users can play online in three games!!
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