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Cops make surprising gesture when couple refuses to sit near them
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Chie Satonaka
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No doubt. It's awesome seeing people frustrated about institutional racism and murder. lol so salty xd
If the expectation for the job is to be shitty and stand back and don't say anything while colleagues fuck up people's lives or end people's lives, don't become a cop. Or if you do, fucking deal with the criticism. Being criticized is far better than what your colleagues are putting people through.
Big Baybee
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Next time I get pulled over by a cop on a power trip, I'll try to remember that time he played patty cake with the neighborhood girls.
I love posts like this. I really do.
WOW did you misread that. I wasn't generalizing black people, I'm just telling you the conversation a black parent will have with their kid about dealing with the cops because its vital. You slip up once and you can get filled with holes. So yeah you read that in the most racist way possible when I was making a point about the sad reality of things for a lot of people. Might want to look at yourself if that's your first reading of things.
A Link to the Past
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Captin Quacker
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it's like there from another planet
oooooooooooor im saying blankedstatements and dehumanizing a whole group of people isnt helping. its moronic.
in this thread 4 people get called murderers.
repeatedly.
without any info on them.
just think about that for a second.
i grabbed a low hanging fruit to show a point. sue me.
i just have other opinions how people should be labeled in a conversation and how this whole shit could get fixed.
you guys should drop your "everyone who doesnt think 100% the same as I is against me" mentality.
The Faceless Master
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must be a cop...
BrutishMrFish
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If there were an internal push for reform, then something (anything) would have happened already. Given that the very idea of reform hasn't been entertained or expanded upon by the police, given that cases of police brutality are still ending with cops getting paid vacations, and given that the police actively lied about the reason Philando Castile was pulled over, it's a much, much larger stretch to say that police could be doing things behind the scenes than it is to say that they probably aren't (or, if they are, not enough of them are speaking up to matter).
Thank you for your support.
Captin Quacker
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and who specifically called those 4 cop murders?
wesleyshark
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They're all the same, according to some in this thread.
Chie Satonaka
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I haven't seen a post that said that these four are murderers. If that's happened, it's not okay, because we don't know if they are or not. We do know they belong to an institution who routinely murders people without any actual justification or punishment, though.
How do you feel about police reform? Would you say you feel more strongly about that than you do about people being mad at cops? Where do you stand on that?
What did he mean by this?
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You still don't understand the difference between a race and an occupation. This is amazing.
BibiMaghoo
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Doesn't that just make you noticeable and suspicious enough to warrant their attention?
Lol.
SuperAndroid17
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i feel like this tweet can't be re-posted enough
Who's going to patrol the streets when the cops themselves are protesting?
Wouldn't work.
Captin Quacker
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So nobody said it?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Are you guys like this in PoliGAF? When someone criticizes the government and the corrupt culture and corrupt politicians within it, do you defend the institution and all politicians like this?
the whole institution needs reform, its a shitshow from what i can tell.
the training is bad, the backgroundchecks are bad, cops dont learn how to handle the stress.
oh yeah and one that also should change is the guncontrol. (yes, i do think those things are connected)
people who dont think they could get shot any second will react in a completely different way.
oh, i do get the difference.
i just dont care for the difference. blankedstatements about whole grooups of people are stiupid. my point still stays the same.
EdibleKnife
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They're all part of an institution. An institution that protects their bad apples and failures through manipulation and silence. It's great that cops can pay for meals or play basketball with the neighborhood kids but I can count on my hands how many cops I've heard about actually comment on the toxic brotherhood culture and encouragement of racial bias present in many modern departments. I can't even recall a cop that's actually honestly said, the way some of the recent officers have handled cases with minorities are actually examples of bad policing. It's on the members of these institutions who believe they have actual integrity to come out and to do everything they can to change the system. That's actual reform. Not both sides XYZing as many people on here like to decry. Gestures like this aren't healing. They're friendly, but that's all they are. They don't alleviate my fear of encounters with police. They don't change communities. And I can't give a standing ovation just because it's the opposite of an encounter that ends in police brutality. They're not the same. Yet, payed to perform the same job. Beholden to the same citizens and shackled by the same blue wall. They have an obligation to those they serve that is not accomplished simply by friendly smiled and niceties.
Chie Satonaka
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Fair enough. Thank you for the response. We don't have to agree on everything else, but at least we can agree on this.
It's a story about a mixed race group of cops making a nice gesture. Y'all want to have another meta-discussion about policing. Keep doing your thing.
K.
You do that, breh
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A Link to the Past
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This is such a sincere post
Spring-Loaded
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LosDaddie
keeping Americuh safe
Is this a blanket statement about generalizations?
Krappadizzle
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Cool cops.
not psycho
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I notice that they included a passive aggressive "thank you for your support", when obviously they don't think they were being supported. Doing that makes it slightly creepy. But really, the fact that it was a publicity stunt makes it meaningless, not good or bad.
On the subject of blanket statements, it's true that we don't know much about these cops. Have they personally done anything bad, outside of orders? Have they personally done anything bad that was actually ordered (see: Ferguson revenue system). Have they personally witnessed anything bad and not blown the whistle? Have they witnessed any other officer being bullied into not blowing the whistle, and failed to support that colleague? Have they witnessed a culture in which such things are likely to happen and done nothing to fight that culture? And so on. We don't know; on the other hand, because we don't know, a public statement on such issues would be more welcome than paying a bill.
It doesn't even require a blanket statement to be wary of a public relations event like this, in the absence of any other public representation of their views on important issues in the police force. How happy can you be about this without knowing anything about those views?
Something I want to say to people who reflexively support the police:
You can't simply "support the police." It doesn't work like that.
If you let a murderous and/or incompetent cop keep working you are forcing potentially good cops to entrust their lives to him. You are making the job more dangerous for good cops. If you let bad cops skate on charges, you are helping create a culture of brutality which is unhealthy for good cops (and often results in them getting bullied if they try to stand up against it). If you allow a system in which cops are asked to do bad things, or things they are not qualified for, you are creating a hostile environment for good cops.
That's why I am happy to hear police speak up, even if they put the blame elsewhere.Blame legislators, blame city planners, blame whoever you want. At least that shows that using "support the police" as an excuse not to fix things is a lie, and brings issues to light. It would have been nice if officers in Ferguson had rebelled against a system that asked them to plunder, even if they put all the blame on higher ups. But paying a bill is nice too.
On the subject of blanket statements, it's true that we don't know much about these cops. Have they personally done anything bad, outside of orders? Have they personally done anything bad that was actually ordered (see: Ferguson revenue system). Have they personally witnessed anything bad and not blown the whistle? Have they witnessed any other officer being bullied into not blowing the whistle, and failed to support that colleague? Have they witnessed a culture in which such things are likely to happen and done nothing to fight that culture? And so on. We don't know; on the other hand, because we don't know, a public statement on such issues would be more welcome than paying a bill.
It doesn't even require a blanket statement to be wary of a public relations event like this, in the absence of any other public representation of their views on important issues in the police force. How happy can you be about this without knowing anything about those views?
Something I want to say to people who reflexively support the police:
You can't simply "support the police." It doesn't work like that.
If you let a murderous and/or incompetent cop keep working you are forcing potentially good cops to entrust their lives to him. You are making the job more dangerous for good cops. If you let bad cops skate on charges, you are helping create a culture of brutality which is unhealthy for good cops (and often results in them getting bullied if they try to stand up against it). If you allow a system in which cops are asked to do bad things, or things they are not qualified for, you are creating a hostile environment for good cops.
That's why I am happy to hear police speak up, even if they put the blame elsewhere.Blame legislators, blame city planners, blame whoever you want. At least that shows that using "support the police" as an excuse not to fix things is a lie, and brings issues to light. It would have been nice if officers in Ferguson had rebelled against a system that asked them to plunder, even if they put all the blame on higher ups. But paying a bill is nice too.
This is what's referred to as copaganda: Media promoting an allegedly nice thing done by a few cops to offset public perception while horrible abuse of power and unjust killings are still going on.
People should learn to recognize it as such. If you say "Oh that's cool, cops aren't all bad, see" then it's working on you. Of course cops aren't 100% murder-pigs, but based on the context you need to recognize that there's still a massive problem and nice stories should absolutely not be used to "cancel it out."
People should learn to recognize it as such. If you say "Oh that's cool, cops aren't all bad, see" then it's working on you. Of course cops aren't 100% murder-pigs, but based on the context you need to recognize that there's still a massive problem and nice stories should absolutely not be used to "cancel it out."
excelsiorlef
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Hell these guys didn't even comment on it.
The note was demanding, rude dismissive and their explanation was equally dismissive.
The Faceless Master
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the police talk about how the community is so entrenched and uncooperative with the whole stop snitching movement, but that same institution is the largest participant in it.
No, see, the point is that stories like this are used to portray ALL cops as worth protecting and respecting. Because they're a response to criticism not of all cops, but of specific cops and the ones who let them get away with their bullshit. The point is that it doesn't work that way.
ShironRedshift
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The totally passive-aggressive, attention-seeking gesture that demonstrated no attempt to actually reach out to these people at all, actually understand their problems and concerns, and then, having taken the time to actually listen, offering to do their part in addressing those concerns and trying to make a difference? Yeah, I'll take a pass on that kind of "gesture."
Having black cops in the group doesn't make make it impossible for the group to do racist things . There are tons of black people willing to sell the race down the river for personal gain. Some are to ignorant to realise that thay are taking part in racist action. And other have just internalized America's negative image of black people.
Or get them shot...
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