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Cops make surprising gesture when couple refuses to sit near them
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which you interpret in the way it fits your agenda.
excelsiorlef
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Gordon Shumway
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Wasn't aware that these officers murdered anyone. Please tell us more!
A cop could save an entire truck full of kittens and some of you would find something to criticize. "If only that oppressive murderer would treat humans the same way" etc
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
http://www.wtae.com/news/homestead-...ed-to-sit-next-to-them-at-restaurant/40460032
This news clip? He doesn't say anything about "UNLESS" He says "if you're not" in a very mumbled way, like he's stumbling over his words. If you watch it yourself, you can make the judgement for your own.
He says verbatim:
Clearly dude isn't a public speaker. If you're hanging on to that as your evidence, then so be it, but I disagree that he was being passive aggressive.
I'll try to find the video and post it. They played it on the radio on my way in and the hosts were championing them as one of the good ones. Sad thing is, is that they might honestly think they were being the better man in this scenario without realizing how condescending it comes off as.
He was about to say "if you're not giving us a reason to hurt you". So I got the unless part wrong, I said I was paraphrasing to begin with.
I know that's what he was about to say because working as a cop for as long as I have, this is the mentality of many cops on the street. That's their mindset. There's a phrase used all too often by cops which is "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". Which basically means mess with the bull and you get the horns. That's a terrible mindset to have as an officer because it makes it seem like you're just itching for a fight and then minimize it afterwards because they deserved what they had coming to them. It's part of the root of the problem with policing and it's that us vs them mentality that get people killed that shouldn't have.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Irrelevant to whether the note is passive aggressive or not, to me. It's not some shining bastion of evidence like you presented it. He sounded humble, he looked fairly happy, and nothing suggests that he had ulterior motive.
The war on drugs is not a "war". They aren't digging trenches and setting in for the long haul because the cartels are lobbing bombs over the border. The war on drugs has done far more harm to the minority communities in this country than it has cops.
You are damn right because saving a truckload of kittens, while cute and nice, does nothing about the racial injustice in America perpetrated by the police insitution at large.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
HeySeuss why you changing the police officers words tho? You some kind of cop hater??
Some kind of one...lol
Ew, fuck that shit. I'd refuse and pay my own damn bill. If there's one thing I'm more sure of than my distrust of the police it's that the last thing I want is for them to patronizingly pay for my food with a passive aggressive note as icing on the cake.
And then a fucking photo op and news story on top of it. Fuck you. Maybe I should call CNN every time I pick up some trash off the ground so that the whole world can know just how cool a guy I am.
And then a fucking photo op and news story on top of it. Fuck you. Maybe I should call CNN every time I pick up some trash off the ground so that the whole world can know just how cool a guy I am.
The Faceless Master
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The Faceless Master
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Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
It's always good to get extra context, don't you agree? From what I read from HeySuess, I agreed, from what I listened to, I changed my mind. I made it a point to call it out for that reason.
rokkerkory
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Awesome cops does awesome things.
I would totally buy cops coffee or lunch next time I see them.
I would totally buy cops coffee or lunch next time I see them.
but did you see the note?
"Thank you for your support" smh
Should have just rubbed his nose in it like a dog that just pissed on the rug.
We can agree to disagree it's all good. I hear something very different than you and I won't chalk it up to being a poor public speaker.
^^^^^^^
The entire force should be speaking out about everything that's going on. Every good cop. EVERY "good cop". Because you know, the argument is that there's oh so many of them and everything we're hearing is just about the few bad apples or whatever.
All the puff pieces in the world about rescuing kittens from trees, buying ice cream for kids, and spreading sunshine and rainbows aren't going to mean a damn thing until they stop fucking murdering people and actually confront that issue.
But hey, maybe next time I get stopped by a cop with my hijabi mom or sister I can ponder whether or not he'll hand us free sunshine and daisies or murder us in cold blood because he thinks we're suicide bombers or something with that dehumanizing Arab stare.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
That's fair. I fully believe if he was going to continue that line he would've said what you said he would've said though. I just don't equate "UNLESS" (Because it seems targeted towards the restaurant goers) to "if you're not" (Because it seems like a general statement towards people doing wrong)
Based on that picture, twasn't a $25 meal being eaten there.
excelsiorlef
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This is splitting insanely fine hairs. He clearly meant we aren't here to hurt you if you're not doing abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789
Which has been proven to be whatever tickles their fancy at any given time.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I may be misunderstanding you so forgive me if that's the case but how does asking for recognizing a problem and standing with people who which to fix it qualify as punishment?
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Continue that nonexistent sentence in whatever tone you want to paint him however you want, despite him saying other things. That's fine.
The way I read HeySuess's description was like dude was being a jackass saying "We're not here to hurt you *wink* UNLESS, *cough*, I mean, jk, we're here for you lol." That's just what I pictured. So I went and looked it up. When I watched the video my opinion changed. That's not splitting hairs, that's changing my opinion based on new information.
Your phrasing is curious.
For clarity's sake, are you suggesting that they do the right thing with the end result being them getting shot and killed, or are you saying the right thing in general?
As it is, your post sounds... passive aggressive.
wesleyshark
Banned
I was referring to folks who are talking down on what the cops did, as if these cops had some secret agenda or ulterior motive. They decided to do a nice thing for people who didn't want to sit next to or near them. No Good Deed Goes Un-criticized would be a better phrasing, I suppose.
excelsiorlef
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On a side note that news report was bias as fuck.
Not wanting to sit near the police became didn't want the police to dine there at all.
This whole thing is PR and kinda gross
And his if you're not was not jovial or accidental either.
Funny that the note contains absolutely nothing of the supposed message of unity the cops now claim they were sending.
Not wanting to sit near the police became didn't want the police to dine there at all.
This whole thing is PR and kinda gross
And his if you're not was not jovial or accidental either.
Funny that the note contains absolutely nothing of the supposed message of unity the cops now claim they were sending.
DOWN
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Uh not if the food was cheap
Okay? So we're not allowed to commend someone for doing something nice as long as they're perpetually guilty by association? You sound like you'd want the cop to let the truck full of kittens burn to a crisp in favor of protesting police brutality. These people still have jobs to do, and those who do their jobs well or go the extra length to build bridges with their community should be commended. Instead people like you look for any reason you can to discount their actions. Some of you call individual police officers murderers without knowing anything about them. We're not going to get anywhere if all you do is shit on someone because they're part of a flawed institution. The institution itself is the problem, not every single officer associated with it.
Nathan_Drake
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seems nice. maybe waitress/waiter went to news.
Honestly, the more threads I read on Gaf the more out of place I feel. I don't think I am naive but I can't be that cynical. It is almost like a one-upping game of who is the most liberal or all-mighty social/moral champion. Sometimes it is hard to read. I feel most people have to fall in the middle of these views and the extreme conservative/right-wing thinking. Or maybe the world is just a horrible place and everyone in it has a motive and is racist. I don't even know anymore.
Honestly, the more threads I read on Gaf the more out of place I feel. I don't think I am naive but I can't be that cynical. It is almost like a one-upping game of who is the most liberal or all-mighty social/moral champion. Sometimes it is hard to read. I feel most people have to fall in the middle of these views and the extreme conservative/right-wing thinking. Or maybe the world is just a horrible place and everyone in it has a motive and is racist. I don't even know anymore.
The Faceless Master
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you should be going after the poster saying that cops who do the right thing get shot so they should continue to be shady.
For a place where so many people have enormous respect for President Obama (myself included), you'd think people would actually listen to what he says. Instead they react with "great speech" and then go about doing exactly what he warned against.
So when they speak up for you and lose their jobs are you going to support their families? Nah
Goverment has to step in, restructure, destroy and rebuild, Obama should have stepped in 8 years ago, first black president, possibly the only black president we may ever have and the police in this country should have been the very first thing he dealt with. It was like right there.....it's always been a problem.
Risible
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If your goal was to truly perform some public outreach there was no reason to add the "that you didn't want to sit next to." Best case scenario it comes off as passive agressive, worst case snarky as fuck.
Likewise with the "thank you for your support." They chose not to sit next to them and obviously weren't supporters, so that part comes across as sarcastic as well.
Likewise with the "thank you for your support." They chose not to sit next to them and obviously weren't supporters, so that part comes across as sarcastic as well.
You can commend them all you want and I'm going to keep calling them out for being apart of a racist oppressive institution that gets away with murder.
BrutishMrFish
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You've got to love the way they made it extra large for emphasis. It does a really great job of helping you imagine what it would sound like if someone actually said it.
That's some prime passive-aggression right there. I'm a snide asshole, and even I'm impressed.
wesleyshark
Banned
That's not what I was inferring, at all. Sorry if it came across that way!
Gordon Shumway
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lol..Enjoy the rest of your day, brother.
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with that, but if generalizing and criticizing people (even if their intention is to simply improve their community) makes you feel like you're helping (hint: it's not) then you go right ahead lol.
The Faceless Master
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wesleyshark
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The Faceless Master
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holy shit what the fuck
excelsiorlef
Member
How can you read that as nice?
It reads a bit snarky, but my point wasn't based on this case alone. My point was that cops can do anything nice and people still find a way to call them out, as proven by the person I was quoting. Some people only care about the failings of the institution and blame all cops who are a part of it as perpetuating the problems with the system, even if said cops are trying to actively improve their relationship with the community and are just as frustrated as we are.
excelsiorlef
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But the note literally isn't nice and makes the whole thing not actually nice
Like I said, my point wasn't just based on this case. Even if it were a nice note, that wouldn't change the mind of someone like HStallion.
His comment reads as "when cops do something good for the community, they get shot at" (EDIT: which I can't say I agree with in general VS the specific case he's speaking of). I didn't see anything about shadiness happening as an alternative to doing those good things, as if it's an all or nothing proposition, but maybe I'm missing something?
wesleyshark
Banned
I read the words and read about the context of the situation and perceived it as a good thing that they did, in spite of the cold-shoulder they were given for no reason.
Blanket statements suggesting that all cops are bad is just nonsense.
You aren't sure what I'm trying to accomplish? I'm making it well known a meal at Denny's doesn't make up for decades of oppression, violence, unfair treatment and out right murder and much of this going unpunished and even being rewarded. You call it a nice gesture, and I say that nice gesture doesn't really matter that much when the cops at large are still a rather dangerous power mad force that has armed itself like an army and treats its citizens like shit and expects them to be respected and loved for it.
The Faceless Master
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as if them treating kittens more humanely than people is something above criticism.
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