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Crysis Warhead or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the required specs
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VictimOfGrief
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Zzoram said:
Summary thus far from me:
- Better than Crysis in the area of optimization.
- Great parallel story.
- Great feeling of the weight of the guns (akin to CoD4)
- Better on Nvidia than on ATI it would seem.
- DX9 vs. DX10 battle rages on.
- for gaming @ 1440x900, looks fan-f'ning tastic. Best $30 bucks I've spent in a while.
I would bet money that new drivers get released in the next couple of days for both.
CabbageRed
Member
chespace said:
Take a look at this:
http://www.techspot.com/review/109-geforce-gtx-260-280-versus-radeon-4850-4870/page4.html
Do you have a friend who is comfortable with slapping PC parts together? You could save a few buck that way and maybe even harvest a few peices from your current PC?
chespace said:
In Least to Most powerful:
8800GTX
9800GTX
GTX 260 / 4870
GTX 280 / 4870X2
The GTX 280 is the single most powerful, though the 4870X2 is a dual chip card that doesn't always scale, but when it does, there is a massive frame boost. Otherwise, it performs like a normal 4870. Also hefty power requirements for the X2.
As far as that NewEgg link, it has a nice processor. More than enough ram. The GTX 260 should be able to play Crysis great. I would check some GTX 260 benchmarks for Crysis from some techpowerup, anandtech or something. I do know it outperforms an 8800GTX, which can play Crysis.
chespace said:
If you care about Crysis, I'd say get the GTX260 or 9800GT SLI. The GTX260 is better than the 9800s, and the 9800s are actually the same as the 8800s but renamed. The PC you linked seems pretty reasonable, although you could probably get a Dell XPS instead. For people who don't really know PCs well, having the Dell customer support/warranty can be a lifesaver.
CabbageRed
Member
Chespace, here is a quick attempt:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227267
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136043
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127360
So a system using a 280, a 3.0ghz quad-core, Vista 64, and 4gigs of RAM for 1633.
I know nothing of the mobo but other Newegg'ers view it highly. Harvest you current drive to act as you program disk, and through in a small raptor drive to act as your system disk if you like and you are be golden.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227267
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136043
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127360
So a system using a 280, a 3.0ghz quad-core, Vista 64, and 4gigs of RAM for 1633.
I know nothing of the mobo but other Newegg'ers view it highly. Harvest you current drive to act as you program disk, and through in a small raptor drive to act as your system disk if you like and you are be golden.
So I've been having this problem since the first Crysis and even with the latest drivers the problem persists in Warhead. Simply, on my Samsung 32" if i run the game in DX10 at 1920x1080 it forces the refresh rate to 24Hz. If I set it to DX9 it does 60Hz just fine. All other DX10 games I've tried do 60. I'm running the 4870x2. I've submitted several support tickets to ATi and never seem to get a response back from anyone I asked. It's really starting to drive me nuts.
Anyone got any ideas?
Anyone got any ideas?
NeoXDeath said:
I guess you're another person who got where it came from?
I haven't even seen the movie and I knew it...On another note, even with my 20-25 fps (I should just see what I can get with straight gamer settings...I left a few at enthusiast) I'm having fun now. I nearly messed myself up totally by using too much ammo at the start. I didn't realize these games were ammo-conserving ones...and now I'm having to sneak around, cloaking constantly, and pick off all the backup that got called in. XD
And of course, I'm dual-wielding the face guns.
Chiggs
Gold Member
I was reading the thread over at HardOCP with people complaining about Warhead performing worse than Crysis. It seems a lot of them are running 4870's. One guy with a 4870X2 states that he's running it at 1280 X 1024 and it's "raping" his card. Supposedly there are issues with Crossfire, too.
TWIMTBP strikes again.
TWIMTBP strikes again.
Chiggs
Gold Member
otake said:
I'm not sure what that would do. It's no secret that Nvidia loves to love game developers. I can only imagine the kind of equipment they've given to Crytek over the years (cash, too).
If any of you ATI fans are looking forward to Far Cry 2, you might be in for a similar surprise. When the 200 series launched, the boys and girls over at UBI were whoring out big-time for Nvidia in the form of PR videos, which probably means a specialized code path or something. And we all know what happened with Assassin's Creed.
Chiggs said:
I have no idea what they're talking about. With the latest drivers my 4780x2 cranks out wonderfully smooth framerates with everything maxed at 1680x1050 (I'm sure it would do the same at 1080p but...see my previous post).
In fact when I first booted it up the thing that really hit me constantly was how unbelievably smooth it was, especially when there was a lot of action.
I don't question their problems though. ATi tends to be pretty hit and miss.
chespace said:
Its not hard at all these days. The cases come with step by step instructions and labeled plugs (at least Antec cases do). All motherboards these days are easy to set up as well. You basically just set the plug the CPU in, attach the fan on top, secure the board into the case, plug in everything else, and you're good to go.
So I'm stuck at a boss fight in the first Ice level. Any tips?
I'm really getting annoyed by these nVidia anti-competitive practices. Even when ATI hardware is awesome, nVidia just buys off the developers to cripple them. Then again, they did very specifically say they were optimizing for the 8800GT (and by extension, all high end nVidia cards).
I'm really getting annoyed by these nVidia anti-competitive practices. Even when ATI hardware is awesome, nVidia just buys off the developers to cripple them. Then again, they did very specifically say they were optimizing for the 8800GT (and by extension, all high end nVidia cards).
Chiggs
Gold Member
Nikorasu said:
He's probably upset that he's not getting a steady 70fps with 4xaa and AF. :lol There's no way a 4870X2, as beastly as it is, should be delivering a worse experience than a 280 or 260.
I should mention that some of them are complaining about IQ issues. Have you seen anything that looks off?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Zzoram said:
Also, remember how Assassin's Creed was an nVidia logo The Way Its Meant To Be Played game, and then they patched in DX10.1 and the ATI cards got a huge performance surge and pwnd the nVidia ones, then they "patched" DX10.1 away saying there was a problem with it?
Yep, you can be sure Big Green threw a damn fit over that. Honestly, Nvidia will single-handedly make sure that DX 10.1 never takes off. Oh, sure, they might release a stop-gap of their own, but you can bet they'll be pushing DX 11 like there's no tomorrow.
I'm still waiting for some CUDA/Crytek announcement, too. I'm sure Nvidia is trying.
Timan
Developer
Not having a good time with this game. I did a fresh install of vista just for this.
It just runs like ass, much worse than crysis did, on my Mac Pro,
2x Quad 2.8ghz, 2gb ram (could be it), 8800GT 512, shit hd,
It'll run smooth for a second, then start to stutter like mad. Its unplayable. (did this on gamer+ settings.)
It just runs like ass, much worse than crysis did, on my Mac Pro,
2x Quad 2.8ghz, 2gb ram (could be it), 8800GT 512, shit hd,
It'll run smooth for a second, then start to stutter like mad. Its unplayable. (did this on gamer+ settings.)
CabbageRed
Member
Teknoman said:
Agreed. Plus one lazy Sunday dedicated to building a PC lands you a 280 over a 260 which is not a bad deal if you are going to be using the same PC for a few years. I the quads use the same click-into-place heatsinks that shipped with my e6400 then it would be a very easy build.
CabbageRed
Member
Timan said:
Vram trouble, maybe? Can the texture quality be independently controlled so that you can troubleshoot?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Zzoram said:
Nsist on Nvidia! :lol
Yeah, it's a shame that the game wasn't given to the more technical reviewers so they could properly evaluate it across a variety of platforms.
When I first launched the game yesterday afternoon, I couldn't believe how damn smooth it ran with nearly everything cranked to the max, and now that I'm reading the experiences of others, it's a little disappointing to see that it's not quite the case for everyone.
Well done on the official thread.
Just finished tweaking my rig (in particular, my new GTX 260) and couldn't get much steam downloading in tonight, so it'll be tomorrow before I can touch Warhead. Looking forward to the sort of faps I can get at 1080p/enthusiast, if it stays >30 most of the time I'll be giddy.
Got my GTX 260 OCed to the point where it should be above stock GTX 280 levels. Awesome card.
(stock = 576 core, 1000 memory)
Bring it
Just finished tweaking my rig (in particular, my new GTX 260) and couldn't get much steam downloading in tonight, so it'll be tomorrow before I can touch Warhead. Looking forward to the sort of faps I can get at 1080p/enthusiast, if it stays >30 most of the time I'll be giddy.
Got my GTX 260 OCed to the point where it should be above stock GTX 280 levels. Awesome card.
(stock = 576 core, 1000 memory)
Bring it
Yeah, I cap out at 78C with that config at load, cooler than my 8800GTS was.
Hazaro: sure, I'll load up fraps tomorrow and take marked screens.
The enthusiast communities are really negative about the GX2, calling it a card built for benchmarks rather than real-world applications thanks to the apparently significant microstuttering problems with it.
Hazaro: sure, I'll load up fraps tomorrow and take marked screens.
Chiggs said:
The enthusiast communities are really negative about the GX2, calling it a card built for benchmarks rather than real-world applications thanks to the apparently significant microstuttering problems with it.
Just beat it ;o
Running on Vista with 4GB RAM, 8800GT, and E4400 (Bottleneck, I know)
Some impressions, overall much much better than Crysis pound for pound. No more bullet-proof Koreans, shooting seems to be a lot more satisfying this time around. Let's start off with performance though. It was said that Warhead was a lot more optimized than the original. Maybe it's been awhile (a year almost?) and I've forgotten what the original played like, but the performance was still extremely inconsistent throughout this game.
First off, Enthusiast all was not playable at all given my setup, whereas I remember getting by at least a few segments on Very High all with the original. Gamer all worked in more places than not. On occasion, I was able to bump shaders and textures up to Enthusiast. The biggest culprit of performance was at least for me motion blur. I had to turn the slider pretty much completely off to get any type of playability. Next was volumetric, starting from the snow level I had to drop that to Mainstream and everything seemed smooth again. Aside from that, I pretty much refused to drop anything else down to Mainstream because that's when Crysis stops looking like Crysis.
There was one exception, which was the
. I had to drop it down to mainstream and I was still chugging at barely 20 fps. If there's one part of the game that I felt was absolutely unacceptable, I'd have to say that was it. I was running at virtually a slideshow.
That being said, Gamer settings still looks absolutely phenomenal. It's unfortunate that the framerate still does drop significantly in almost all of the game's most exciting moments, but most of the time I was so immersed in the action that I couldn't even be bothered to care about the framerate until after the fights were virtually over.
As I mentioned, pound for pound the game is much better than the original. The story and cutscenes were also presented much better (I had flashes of MGS4), and Psycho is way cooler than Nomad. I hope there's more to come down the road with this engine before we all have to buy new computers for Crysis 2 D;
Running on Vista with 4GB RAM, 8800GT, and E4400 (Bottleneck, I know)
Some impressions, overall much much better than Crysis pound for pound. No more bullet-proof Koreans, shooting seems to be a lot more satisfying this time around. Let's start off with performance though. It was said that Warhead was a lot more optimized than the original. Maybe it's been awhile (a year almost?) and I've forgotten what the original played like, but the performance was still extremely inconsistent throughout this game.
First off, Enthusiast all was not playable at all given my setup, whereas I remember getting by at least a few segments on Very High all with the original. Gamer all worked in more places than not. On occasion, I was able to bump shaders and textures up to Enthusiast. The biggest culprit of performance was at least for me motion blur. I had to turn the slider pretty much completely off to get any type of playability. Next was volumetric, starting from the snow level I had to drop that to Mainstream and everything seemed smooth again. Aside from that, I pretty much refused to drop anything else down to Mainstream because that's when Crysis stops looking like Crysis.
There was one exception, which was the
train segment
That being said, Gamer settings still looks absolutely phenomenal. It's unfortunate that the framerate still does drop significantly in almost all of the game's most exciting moments, but most of the time I was so immersed in the action that I couldn't even be bothered to care about the framerate until after the fights were virtually over.
As I mentioned, pound for pound the game is much better than the original. The story and cutscenes were also presented much better (I had flashes of MGS4), and Psycho is way cooler than Nomad. I hope there's more to come down the road with this engine before we all have to buy new computers for Crysis 2 D;
DX9 works better than DX10.
Ugh, so what do I do with that boss?
Ugh, so what do I do with that boss?
The giant exosuit walker, it's so hard! I managed to kill it on my 5th try, but it fell on me and took me down to a sliver of HP, and a smaller alien killed me in 1 hit, and there wasn't a checkpoint from killing the thing so I have to do it again...
Any recommendations for SLi setups? 8800GT's here. I'm getting quite a bit of stuttering, 1920x1200, no AA, Gamer settings. The framerate is, on average, pretty damn good (30-40fps), but it's really inconsistant. I get a lot of stutters when doing things like swinging the camera and looking down the sights, for example.
Ugh, work in the morning again...I probably played for two hours. I'm taking this slow. XD
Plus I'm bad at the game. I ended up with either no AA or 2AA, and a mix of gamer/enthusiast settings...everything generally ran decently from 20-30 fps, 1680x1200, with that. I might try all gamer if things slow down more.
Regarding the gameplay...(minor weapon spoiler stuff)
The game is also kind of a different challenge for me because I never played the original Crysis. This one has a good bit of tutorial hints to get you going, but it's still taken a bit of experimentation for me to figure out how to do stuff. (is there any advantage in using ironsights over reflex sights?)
Plus I'm bad at the game. I ended up with either no AA or 2AA, and a mix of gamer/enthusiast settings...everything generally ran decently from 20-30 fps, 1680x1200, with that. I might try all gamer if things slow down more.
Regarding the gameplay...(minor weapon spoiler stuff)
I started out blazing away, and then had hardly anything left with tons of badguys round, so I started conserving. I pretty much never used the rapidfire modes on purpose after that.
I found myself not wanting to try to fight everyone, either. I love that you can spend huge periods of time cloaked and crawling around, and/or supersprinting past everyone. I did have to pick everyone off in the place where the backup gets called in to the beach house, though...that took a while.
And then I randomly ended up with an ASSAULT SCOPE. I don't know if I picked that up off the ground or what, but sniper rifle + cloaking = hours of fun. I took out like half the guys in the rainy jungle...and then the big truck racing sequence was great. I survived most of it, but jumped my truck on a rail and had to hitch a ride out of the action near the end. XD
Weapons and explosions are quite satisfying. The soldiers are pretty dumb, THANKFULLY, since there are so many of them. I saw a few of them walking in place or seemingly stuck in trees, but they'll swarm you if they see you, generally. I also saw one of them trip over a corpse at one point.
But yeah...grenading a truck into the air, or blowing up cars while speeding down the road (I dunno HOW you're supposed to be able to aim that gun while driving), or putting a landmine in front of a tank...awesome. (nearly killed myself with that one). Oh, and the random shotgun I picked up is cool, but I'm saving it for desperate situations. I haven't tried the submachine gun since I refuse to get rid of my sniper rifle or shotgun for now.
I found myself not wanting to try to fight everyone, either. I love that you can spend huge periods of time cloaked and crawling around, and/or supersprinting past everyone. I did have to pick everyone off in the place where the backup gets called in to the beach house, though...that took a while.
And then I randomly ended up with an ASSAULT SCOPE. I don't know if I picked that up off the ground or what, but sniper rifle + cloaking = hours of fun. I took out like half the guys in the rainy jungle...and then the big truck racing sequence was great. I survived most of it, but jumped my truck on a rail and had to hitch a ride out of the action near the end. XD
Weapons and explosions are quite satisfying. The soldiers are pretty dumb, THANKFULLY, since there are so many of them. I saw a few of them walking in place or seemingly stuck in trees, but they'll swarm you if they see you, generally. I also saw one of them trip over a corpse at one point.
But yeah...grenading a truck into the air, or blowing up cars while speeding down the road (I dunno HOW you're supposed to be able to aim that gun while driving), or putting a landmine in front of a tank...awesome. (nearly killed myself with that one). Oh, and the random shotgun I picked up is cool, but I'm saving it for desperate situations. I haven't tried the submachine gun since I refuse to get rid of my sniper rifle or shotgun for now.
The game is also kind of a different challenge for me because I never played the original Crysis. This one has a good bit of tutorial hints to get you going, but it's still taken a bit of experimentation for me to figure out how to do stuff. (is there any advantage in using ironsights over reflex sights?)
ZombieSupaStar
Member
just got my 280gtx 1 gig installed downloading this pack offa steam now.
never played crysis before, should I play that first?
never played crysis before, should I play that first?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Some worst case scenario screenshots showing low framerates:
Again, I have everything set to enthusiast, save for shadows, which are set to gamer. Running at 1680 X 1050 on an oc'd GTX 260.
Edit: On that last shot (that sticks out to the right), I backed up against a far wall to get a view of the entire area. That is the most stressful part of the game, by far.
Again, I have everything set to enthusiast, save for shadows, which are set to gamer. Running at 1680 X 1050 on an oc'd GTX 260.
Edit: On that last shot (that sticks out to the right), I backed up against a far wall to get a view of the entire area. That is the most stressful part of the game, by far.
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